Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[KennyGreen]

Would love to see Reggie Evans on the Wiz...We need rebounding and toughness on the 2nd unit...Seems to be just what we need and lost in the shuffle in Brooklyn...Perhaps Singleton for Evans?...Booker would work also but I'd like to hold on to Book...Hope he develops into Evans 2.0 at some point and would be willing to wait out the injuries to see if it happens...Any other ideas on how to get Evans?

Back on topic: Trade Thread

I think the Wizards need to consider they have a surplus of wing players with some athleticism and a real deficit of shot blocking bigs who are good defenders. They need to try to replicate what they lost in Okafor.

Also, pure shooting and size at backup PG are an issue if Temple is never going to play there due to Maynor.

If Harrington's going to play all the big minutes off the bench, they might as well trade Vesely ASAP. Same with Singleton--if they don't choose to waive him. Why are they on the roster?

Seems to me Washington's got a good amount of talent but a lot of it is redundant. There have to be some SF trades to yield either a PF/C or a PG with size, like Livingston. If Temple is that guy, then they need to try and acquire a Faried/Reggie Evans type player. A player big enough to bang with the likes of Drummond would be nice, too.

Trade guys who are never, ever going to play.

[Dark Faze]

Would anyone be up for letting Ariza expire and using those funds to pickup Okafor for a couple of seasons?

I really miss him, both his defensive and emotional presence for the team. I think he can play alongside Gortat in stretches and having him as a backup would be invaluable.

[LyricalRico]

^ A healthy Okafor as a backup wouldn't be a bad option if the price were right. We'd certainly have competition, though. And backup centers this summer were going for 2-3 years at about the MLE, so there would be some cost-benefit to consider.

[Dark Faze]

Ariza and Seraphin for Asik I think would be a good deal. They can give Howard the spacing he wants by having Ariza play a stretch 4 role, while also adding a lockdown perimeter defender.

As for us, having two bigs of Gortat and Asiks caliber could be tricky, but I'm not going to complain.

[nuposse04]

I don't really understand the love for Asik. Yes he's a good defender and an elite rebounder, but I don't think I've ever seen him do anything impressive in the post. He's also 27, kind of a known commodity at this point. I don't see him improving too much now. While he is a massive upgrade over our bench, if I had to choose between him and Gortat for the next 3 seasons, I think I'd choose Gortat.

[Dark Faze]

We've arguably lost every game due to rebounding, its a big deal

[fishercob]

We've arguably lost every game due to rebounding, its a big deal

Given that, if Porter were to come back any time soon which deal would you prefer:

Ariza for Brandon Bass (signed for one more year)

or

Ariza and Vesely for Kris Humphires (exp)

[fishercob]

We've arguably lost every game due to rebounding, its a big deal

Given that, if Porter were to come back any time soon which deal would you prefer:

Ariza for Brandon Bass (signed for one more year)

or

Ariza and Vesely for Kris Humphires (exp)

[nate33]

Would anyone be up for letting Ariza expire and using those funds to pickup Okafor for a couple of seasons?

I really miss him, both his defensive and emotional presence for the team. I think he can play alongside Gortat in stretches and having him as a backup would be invaluable.

It only works if Okafor will sign for the MLE. I think he'll get a better offer than that from someone.

[Dark Faze]

We've arguably lost every game due to rebounding, its a big deal

Given that, if Porter were to come back any time soon which deal would you prefer:

Ariza for Brandon Bass (signed for one more year)

or

Ariza and Vesely for Kris Humphires (exp)

hump

[LyricalRico]

^ I actually would rather have Bass since we're evidently not going for a max FA next summer anyway. But if BOS is really just trying to dump the salary, we might be able to get him without giving up Ariza (besides, Ariza wouldn't get much run for them anyway since they already have Green and Wallace).

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

There's always a trade the coach and see what the new coach thinks of talent on hand approach.

I like Wittman, but I think guys like Vesely or Rice, Jr. would be real useful for a coach like D'Antoni. I know the season's very young but there are just certain coaches who can't handle certain personalities or players who lack things that coach values the most. Nivek made a great point about coaches a page up.

- Very few coaches seem to have much effect on the individual productivity of their players. If I recall correctly, the "few" include guys like Phil Jackson, Popovich, Pat Riley. This is not to say that coaches don't matter, but rather that they're largely interchangeable beyond the elite few. And probably the atrocious few. The number one thing a coach can do to boost his team's productivity is distribute minutes to his most productive players.

i think most of what goes in to the trade thread are ideas for getting rid of players certain coaches can't use, just as well as trying to acquire better talent and also trying to balance out a roster.

I think some coaches can find guys off the bench here and there in circumstances where they can help. Eddie Jordan is a very derided coach on this board but one thing I believed was he won a lot of times despite injuries. He had a knack for inserting random dudes into the mix and winning or holding his own with them (until that last season as Wizards coach). EJ would give any player a chance--(except Brendan Haywood early on and any big guy in the playoffs. He loved small ball OFFENSE). He didn't hesitate to play a young player as well as a veteran player as far as I can recall.

I think trading players who are on expiring deals is fine just as long as consideration is also given that GM and or coach MIGHT be on the way out, too. With that in mind, I would NOT trade Ariza/Vesely for Humphries.

[mhd]

We don't need to trade Ariza for Bass. Ves+Singleton works.

[TGW]

We don't need to trade Ariza for Bass. Ves+Singleton works.

I don't want to give up caproom for an average player like Bass.

I'd do Webster for Bass at the deadline. Nothing more.

[FAH1223]

Asik is expiring next year, right? I'd like to get him. He's still young.

[Hypnotizer]

And the fallback plan is to resign Gortat with Bird Rights.)

Players must spend three years with a team to earn full Bird Rights, two years for Early Bird Rights.

[nate33]

And the fallback plan is to resign Gortat with Bird Rights.)

Players must spend three years with a team to earn full Bird Rights, two years for Early Bird Rights.

Incorrect. They must spend three years under the same contract OR three consecutive years on the same team. Either one will do.

Gortat has been on his existing contract for 3+ years. His Bird rights were traded to us along with him.

[montestewart]

And the fallback plan is to resign Gortat with Bird Rights.)

Players must spend three years with a team to earn full Bird Rights, two years for Early Bird Rights.

Those rights transfer to the new team when traded, without restarting the clock.

[fishercob]

We don't need to trade Ariza for Bass. Ves+Singleton works.

That's a good point. That said, Ariza has more value to Boston than Vesely/Singleton because they can move Ariza to a third team for an asset of some sort.

But hell, since the Gortat deal (and his very likely re-signing) all but assures that we won't be major cap room players this summer, I'd trade two hot pieces of garbage for Bass, even if it means he's on the hook for an extra season.

If Porter finds his stride, then maybe we find an Ariza deal. If he doesn't, we still have helped our rotation.

[Hypnotizer]

Incorrect. They must spend three years under the same contract OR three consecutive years on the same team. Either one will do.

Gortat has been on his existing contract for 3+ years. His Bird rights were traded to us along with him.

Those rights transfer to the new team when traded, without restarting the clock.

Oh, didn't know that. Thanks!