Official Speculation Thread Pt.LXII

[Neon1]

If anything, Dipo (or Harris) starting over Harkless is even less of a stretch given how average (or less than) Harkless has played and how inexperienced he his compared to how well Redick and Afflalo played (relatively speaking) and how experienced they were last year. In other words, if Harkless should've started when he did last year there's even more reason to start Oladipo (and/or Harris) this year.

I fixed my post...I had backtracked and deleting and didn't finish my sentence. Yes what I was TRYING to say is what you just said.

[thelead]

Oladipo is averaging more turnovers then assists in 26 mpg. He needs to come off the bench until he can limit them some.

Fans didn't endure a 20 win season just to see the same team thrown out there again while the #2 pick sits on the bench.

At the end of the day, Jameer just needs to go or accept a bench role. He's not going to lead us anywhere anymore.

[NickAnderson]

Oladipo is averaging more turnovers then assists in 26 mpg. He needs to come off the bench until he can limit them some.

Fans didn't endure a 20 win season just to see the same team thrown out there again while the #2 pick sits on the bench.

At the end of the day, Jameer just needs to go or accept a bench role. He's not going to lead us anywhere anymore.

JV is trying to win games, he is going to go with the vet over the rookie who has been playing poorly so far. Trust me I want him to start too but until he plays better I just don't see him starting unless Meer gets injured like he usually does (not wishing injury), we will.

Also, I think we'd see more of Oladipo if he wasn't being out played by Moore.

[Nyce_1]

All this talk about trying to be like OKC with high lotto picks, i've been impressed with what the Pacers have done with mid-to-late lotto picks. Their highest pick in the last 10 yrs was #10, in 2010......Paul George. Smart drafting, smart FA acquisition, smart trades, and good, solid coaching. They haven't won anything, like OKC, but they're on the same level, through a different route.

The Pacers are the Spurs, minus Tim Duncan. Not in terms of an exact copy, but smart and efficient drafting from wherever their picks end up.

The big difference is that Duncan always gave the Spurs a chance of a 'ship. I don't rate Indy's chances all that high at all unless they get very lucky.

Hence, find your Duncan before you draft Parker and Manu, or else you'll be mired in mediocrity for ages.

with more development, can Vucevic be our Duncan?

[BadMofoPimp]

Oladipo really needs to learn consistency. His drives to the hoop against all odds where he gets blocked so easily are horrible shot selections. He looks out of control sometimes regardless if we marvel at his athleticism. Once the game slows down for him, I expect him to make a bigger impact. I do like the 3 guard rotation where AA spends some time at the 3 where Oladipo could still play his 30mpg. But, he needs to learn from Meer and AA by watching them than just be given free reign to make mistakes.

[MellowRose]

Exactly. The major regression he had in his game last year was from the 3-point arc, where he shot 30%. Very uncanny for a guy who is a career 38-39% shooter from 3 and had 4 straight seasons of nearly +40% shooting from 3 before coming to Orlando. If there are any stats you expect to average out it's that his 3-point shooting improves a lot.

I don’t know where you guys are getting your stats from, but AA is shooting an abysmal 36% from mid-range this season, which is 17 made shots out of 47 – just terrible. And if I was to break down his mid-range shooting even further, he’s shooting 5o% from right above the free throw area (can’t take this positively because he’s only shot 2 shots from there and made one), 14% from the right of the free throw are (he’s 1/7), and then right above the corner three (mid-range area), he’s shooting 33% (2/6). Let’s look to the left of the free throw line. Right to the left of the free throw line, he’s shooting 33% (4/12), and then right above the corner 3, he’s shooting 37.50% (3/8). All breakdowns are for ranges from 16-24 feet.

If this isn’t terrible, then IDK what is. His only good shot is 8-16 feet away to the left of the hoop. There he’s shooting 83.33% on 5/6 shooting. The rest of the 8-16 feet away, he’s shooting 33% and 43% (3 of 7 shooting).

Please break down Oladipo's shot's then we will talk.

N one's saying that Oladipo is some offensive beast right now whose shooting a superb percentage. On the other hand, people are saying how well AA is shooting from mid-range. I was trying to disprove that theory, which I think I did pretty conclusively.

[MellowRose]

I'm not real sure what more people expect from AA @ $6 mill per?! I'd say he's a top 5 player for his pay grade. The dude ain't Kobe, Harden, or Wade.....and that's why he's making at least $12 mill per less. He is what he is. Get over it

Money or his salary has nothing to do with AA.

[G-Heel]

The Pacers are the Spurs, minus Tim Duncan. Not in terms of an exact copy, but smart and efficient drafting from wherever their picks end up.

The big difference is that Duncan always gave the Spurs a chance of a 'ship. I don't rate Indy's chances all that high at all unless they get very lucky.

Hence, find your Duncan before you draft Parker and Manu, or else you'll be mired in mediocrity for ages.

with more development, can Vucevic be our Duncan?

Sure, but with half of TD's offense and 1/3 of his defensive game.

[MellowRose]

Oladipo is averaging more turnovers then assists in 26 mpg. He needs to come off the bench until he can limit them some.

Is he going to learn to limit his TO's by WATCHING Jameer and AA? Is that the reasoning people are throwing out as to why Oladipo shouldn't play too much? That's **** ridiculous.

Yes, he gets a little crazy when driving to the hoop, but that can be easily fixed. TO's and other stuff will only get better through playing in games.

[Just Plain Mark]

I don’t know where you guys are getting your stats from, but AA is shooting an abysmal 36% from mid-range this season, which is 17 made shots out of 47 – just terrible. And if I was to break down his mid-range shooting even further, he’s shooting 5o% from right above the free throw area (can’t take this positively because he’s only shot 2 shots from there and made one), 14% from the right of the free throw are (he’s 1/7), and then right above the corner three (mid-range area), he’s shooting 33% (2/6). Let’s look to the left of the free throw line. Right to the left of the free throw line, he’s shooting 33% (4/12), and then right above the corner 3, he’s shooting 37.50% (3/8). All breakdowns are for ranges from 16-24 feet.

If this isn’t terrible, then IDK what is. His only good shot is 8-16 feet away to the left of the hoop. There he’s shooting 83.33% on 5/6 shooting. The rest of the 8-16 feet away, he’s shooting 33% and 43% (3 of 7 shooting).

I think you provided a good response and I'm surprised his numbers are that poor from midrange, but I'm not sure it addresses the overall issue - which is that Afflalo is shooting pretty well this year. He's shooting 45% overall and 46% from 3 (on roughly 5 attempts per game). So he must be getting the majority of his shots from other places on the floor than midrange and those other places are higher % than the midrange.

Please break down Oladipo's shot's then we will talk.

N one's saying that Oladipo is some offensive beast right now whose shooting a superb percentage. On the other hand, people are saying how well AA is shooting from mid-range. I was trying to disprove that theory, which I think I did pretty conclusively.

[NickAnderson]

Oladipo is averaging more turnovers then assists in 26 mpg. He needs to come off the bench until he can limit them some.

Is he going to learn to limit his TO's by WATCHING Jameer and AA? Is that the reasoning people are throwing out as to why Oladipo shouldn't play too much? That's **** ridiculous.

Yes, he gets a little crazy when driving to the hoop, but that can be easily fixed. TO's and other stuff will only get better through playing in games.

Sure, that will help some but you can't just let someone run wild with TO's, sometimes he literally has 2-3 TO's in 3 mins. And it's not like meer is playing that much more then him, he is playing a whole 6 mpg more then him plus like I said before he isn't going to get more playing time when Moore is outplaying him.

[thelead]

Oladipo is averaging more turnovers then assists in 26 mpg. He needs to come off the bench until he can limit them some.

Fans didn't endure a 20 win season just to see the same team thrown out there again while the #2 pick sits on the bench.

At the end of the day, Jameer just needs to go or accept a bench role. He's not going to lead us anywhere anymore.

JV is trying to win games, he is going to go with the vet over the rookie who has been playing poorly so far. Trust me I want him to start too but until he plays better I just don't see him starting unless Meer gets injured like he usually does (not wishing injury), we will.

Also, I think we'd see more of Oladipo if he wasn't being out played by Moore.

I know, it's just extremely frustrating watching, pretty much, the same team again. Philly/Phx/Boston fans at least get to watch their young guys lead the team.

[BadMofoPimp]

Fans didn't endure a 20 win season just to see the same team thrown out there again while the #2 pick sits on the bench.

At the end of the day, Jameer just needs to go or accept a bench role. He's not going to lead us anywhere anymore.

JV is trying to win games, he is going to go with the vet over the rookie who has been playing poorly so far. Trust me I want him to start too but until he plays better I just don't see him starting unless Meer gets injured like he usually does (not wishing injury), we will.

Also, I think we'd see more of Oladipo if he wasn't being out played by Moore.

I know, it's just extremely frustrating watching, pretty much, the same team again. Philly/Phx/Boston fans at least get to watch their young guys lead the team.

You act like Philly/Boston/Phx are run by rookies. They have plenty of vets on those teams playing most of the minutes. Avery and Bledsoe are in like their 3rd year. Oladipo playing 26mpg is right on par for the first 10 games of an NBA career. Absolutely nothing wrong with that at all.

[thelead]

JV is trying to win games, he is going to go with the vet over the rookie who has been playing poorly so far. Trust me I want him to start too but until he plays better I just don't see him starting unless Meer gets injured like he usually does (not wishing injury), we will.

Also, I think we'd see more of Oladipo if he wasn't being out played by Moore.

I know, it's just extremely frustrating watching, pretty much, the same team again. Philly/Phx/Boston fans at least get to watch their young guys lead the team.

You act like Philly/Boston/Phx are run by rookies. They have plenty of vets on those teams playing most of the minutes. Avery and Bledsoe are in like their 3rd year. Oladipo playing 26mpg is right on par for the first 10 games of an NBA career. Absolutely nothing wrong with that at all.

One on One, today, who do you take: Jameer or Oladipo?

[PeePee la Fritz]

I'm not real sure what more people expect from AA @ $6 mill per?! I'd say he's a top 5 player for his pay grade. The dude ain't Kobe, Harden, or Wade.....and that's why he's making at least $12 mill per less. He is what he is. Get over it

he makes 7.5 per year, but yeah his contract is not horrible

PotAto PotatO

[BadMofoPimp]

One on One, today, who do you take: Jameer or Oladipo?

This is Team ball and the game is today, who do you take to give your team the best chance of winning? Ask any GM.

[thelead]

One on One, today, who do you take: Jameer or Oladipo?

This is Team ball and the game is today, who do you take to give your team the best chance of winning? Ask any GM.

Jameer is not lighting the world on fire though. So, let's say they both are bad right now, which do you play: the one with a future on your team or the one that doesn't?

Jameer isn't winning us any games, so I don't know why that's even an argument.

[rcklsscognition]

Oladipo Nelson Afflalo is probably one of our best units. 82games is not up to date so not sure to find those stats.

[Bensational]

The Pacers are the Spurs, minus Tim Duncan. Not in terms of an exact copy, but smart and efficient drafting from wherever their picks end up.

The big difference is that Duncan always gave the Spurs a chance of a 'ship. I don't rate Indy's chances all that high at all unless they get very lucky.

Hence, find your Duncan before you draft Parker and Manu, or else you'll be mired in mediocrity for ages.

with more development, can Vucevic be our Duncan?

Sure, but with half of TD's offense and 1/3 of his defensive game.

Vuc doesn't look poised to be the next TD. He'll be good, great even, but not TD level.

Vuc could be TD as much as Paul George could be Jordan.

[blue and white]

Apparently derrick williams and alexey shved are available in trade talks. I like shved and wouldnt mind if the magic could get him, maybe something like afflalo for shved and a first?