GT: Bobcats Vs Hawks Mon Nov 11th 7:00PM EST

[fatlever]

Didn't catch the game and I am just reading through the posts. Everything seems cut and dry from the game except one thing. MKG's second half. Was he just not aggressive like he was in the first half or was it the fact he is never involved in our offense so the first half he got a lot of buckets in transition and from breakdowns and the second half those opportunities were not available?

with the hawks shooting 70+% for the quarter, MKG never had the chances to get out in transition. in the halfcourt, we were just a mess.

[Logander]

Yeah, the 1 TO on the game are pretty bad, compared to 4 for Kemba...

You obviously didn't watch the game and looked at the stat-sheet. Why even bother commenting on a post when you clearly don't know what you're talking about?


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I think I watched more games than you this past 2 years since I did not miss a game thanks to the league pass, this game was not an exception.

Reading through the topic, I was really pissed off because almost everybody was criticizing every single mistakes our players was making during the game.

From the beginning of the season, when we play well everybody is saying wonderful things about the squad "I always believed in him" , "I love him !!" , "I always thought he was going to help the team like that", "So glad we have him in the team!"

The next game, if we play bad, the criticizes start and I can read the opposite that was said yesterday, "Let's trade him", "Put Gordon in" ( ), "He's a bust", etc...

We're not (yet) a good team, we're not (yet) making the playoffs this year, there is no point in getting down on young players at this point...

I am actually more disappointed by the comments sometimes than by the team...

As MKG is proving all the ones who did not believe in him that they were wrong, Taylor is going to do the same. He proved in Europe that he can be very efficient when playing with confidence, he just need to bring his confidence in NBA. I prefer to see him on the court than Gordon.

I agree on the fact that I said sh*t about the fact that he had only 1 TO, and that he actually influenced the game more than that. I was just trying to defend him because everybody was going down on him and I actually expect a lot from this guy in the future...

This year is very exciting, because we can continue to develop our young players, while being very watchable, which was not really the case the past two years. It's not yet our year, it will be next season. Till then, just wait for the young guys to learn.

Greatings from Belgium.

Same here I've watched all out games for the past 3 years. All because I said bench Taylor doesn't mean I've given up on him. You know as well as I do when players aren't preforming well in games the coaches bench them in order for them to gather themselves or what have you. If you watched the game you would've seen how Taylor fumbled a few passes and turned the ball over. Unfortunately those turnovers were added to those who made the pass instead of JT who just didn't catch it. Having said all that I do have high hopes for JT, I actually prefer him over Hendo so far this year.


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[mrknowitall215]

I hate to be negative, but I'm not fond of this coaches approach and I think we've won games more so because we have real talent on this team, not because he's doing such a good job.

I love Coach Clifford's approach. There's a method to his madness instead of a bunch of scattered adjustments. He's trying to build continuity within chemistry, something that'll catch on as the season goes. I think he's worked wonders with this team so far. The difference between winning & losing so far this season has been one bad quarter per game. Otherwise, they have been very competitive in each game

[Eoghan]

I wasn't a fan of the Cody Zeller pick, but I thought he'd be able to bring more to the table than what he has shown so far. I was a little wary of Zeller being able to translate into a stretch 4 because I've never seen him play that way, and when I did see him shoot it looked a little flat, not like a player that's comfortable with taking outside shots regularly. I think I might've seen more out of MKG & Biyombo in their first couple of games as teenagers than I've seen from Zeller in these 7 games. I don't want to prematurely say Cho made the wrong pick with Zeller because it's too early to draw a conclusion, but if this is the type of production & performance to expect of him all season then he might've whiffed with this selection

Even if we did make the wrong decision, who would we have picked? Thank god Bennett and Porter weren't available, they are surefire busts. McLemore still doing his Martell Webster impression, Olynyk is basically a less potential Zeller. Steven Adams looks good, as do Schroeder and MCW, but we wouldn't have picked any of them.

I guess Noel is the only wildcard, and he has a bad knee apparently. If Zeller is nothing more than Troy Murphy and no one pans out except Oladipo and MCW, then I chalk it up to a bad draft

Even if McLemore is Martell 2.0 (I disagree, he'll be a little better than that at least) we'd have at least one guy that can shoot and play defense. A better Jeffery Taylor would be more beneficial than poor man's Christian Laettner.

[mrknowitall215]

The pick-and-roll execution between Jeff Teague & Al Horford in the 3rd quarter absolutely killed this possible win for the Bobcats. If Kemba went under the screen, Teague would hit the 3. If Kemba went over the screen, Jefferson or Biyombo was forced to help and Teague would just dish it off to Horford for a easy midrange jumper. They went on a 13-3 run doing this, and it was difficult for the Bobcats to recover. It was very reminiscent to the 3rd quarter from the previous game against the Knicks where Bargnani caught fire. Clifford might want to look into making some defensive adjustments to bring a 3rd party help side player to cover in the near future

A horrendous third quarter, in which the Bobcats were outscored 34-16, spoiled Al Jefferson and Coach Steve Clifford’s return to game-action.

Monday’s game proved yet again that winning in the NBA requires four consistent quarters in terms of effort and execution.


The third quarter was the difference in the contest, and the stats say it all. The Cats, who controlled the ball well in the first half, succumbed to a stingier defense in the third quarter, turning the ball over six times. Atlanta took advantage of these opportunities, shooting 72 percent from the field for the quarter with five three-pointers. What was an eight point Cats lead at the start of the period was a 10-point deficit at its end – a deficit that proved too difficult to overcome.

This is a good young team. Consistency has been their biggest enemy

[Marvel]

Zeller had a reputaion of shying away from contact, particularly in big games. The hope was that with his work ethic, coachability and maturity he would adjust to the NBA game's physicality. He isn't being used to his strengths right now and that's understandable as a rookie coming off the bench in a limited role, but he's nowhere near playing at his full potential.

[mrknowitall215]

It's amazing how similar the Zeller's play in the NBA

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y3=2014

*NOTE*: Don't take nothing out of this post other than irony with such a small sample size

[catch20two]

It's amazing how similar the Zeller's play in the NBA

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y3=2014

*NOTE*: Don't take nothing out of this post other than irony with such a small sample size

Tyler was 69 for 193 (36%) when shooting shots from 16 feet and out in his rookie year. I guess he's a stretch 4 too.

[mrknowitall215]

It's amazing how similar the Zeller's play in the NBA

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y3=2014

*NOTE*: Don't take nothing out of this post other than irony with such a small sample size

Tyler was 69 for 193 (36%) when shooting shots from 16 feet and out in his rookie year. I guess he's a stretch 4 too.

I guess you can say that. Cody is currently 3-9 (33%) from midrange for the season. It's only been 7 games, but if you put that pace into 82 games worth he would be 35-105 by season's end, meaning that Tyler could be considered more of a jump shooter than Cody. It's all numbers for now though, but it's hard to argue with. That's a part of the reason why I stated that I've been disappointed with Cody's play so far. I expected him to be superior to Tyler in all facets of the game right away

[Marvel]

Kemba's shoulder might be bothering him some. No an excuse, just an observation on why his shooting % may be Jennings-like.

[mrknowitall215]

Kemba's shoulder might be bothering him some. No an excuse, just an observation on why his shooting % may be Jennings-like.

I think at this point Kemba's shoulder is fine. The shoulder injury may have disrupted his rhythm and the mechanics of his shot the last 2 games, but he's OK. It's just a little slump. A lot of his 3-point shots and a few of his signature midrange jumpers are going in and out of the rim. There's nothing to be concerned about...yet

...and Jennings is not as bad as everybody make him out to be. He's just a horrible finisher at the rim because he's soft, not because he can't shoot

[Elden Payton]

I missed the hammers

We sort of gave up this game imo, little things like Shelvin Mack making consecutive 3 pointers late in the first due to lack of coverage.

After he makes the first one how do we allow him the space on the second one?

[fatlever]

I missed the hammers

We sort of gave up this game imo, little things like Shelvin Mack making consecutive 3 pointers late in the first due to lack of coverage.

After he makes the first one how do we allow him the space on the second one?

sorry sik. i was on a roll. plus the voting was pretty consistent, so none of the votes were close.

[Marvel]

Kemba's shoulder might be bothering him some. No an excuse, just an observation on why his shooting % may be Jennings-like.

I think at this point Kemba's shoulder is fine. The shoulder injury may have disrupted his rhythm and the mechanics of his shot the last 2 games, but he's OK. It's just a little slump. A lot of his 3-point shots and a few of his signature midrange jumpers are going in and out of the rim. There's nothing to be concerned about...yet

...and Jennings is not as bad as everybody make him out to be. He's just a horrible finisher at the rim because he's soft, not because he can't shoot

I didn't say he was bad. But, he is clearly an inefficient chucker.

[Elden Payton]

I missed the hammers

We sort of gave up this game imo, little things like Shelvin Mack making consecutive 3 pointers late in the first due to lack of coverage.

After he makes the first one how do we allow him the space on the second one?

sorry sik. i was on a roll. plus the voting was pretty consistent, so none of the votes were close.

All good fats!

My vote was

McBob
MKG
Big Al

So it keeps with consistency

[LamarMatic7]

I missed the hammers

We sort of gave up this game imo, little things like Shelvin Mack making consecutive 3 pointers late in the first due to lack of coverage.

After he makes the first one how do we allow him the space on the second one?

did you notice that Kemba was the one who gave those Shelvin Mack threes up? it looked like his mind completely drifted as he wandered closer to the man with the ball, only to realize that it's now too late to recover and contest the three.

not the best game for Kemba on defense.