Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

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I am genuinely curious what the thought process in on some of these trades. How does trading a cheap young improving PG who is posting incredible numbers for a guy with zero value and an expiring SG who can't get minutes on a lotto team make sense in any head? And to top it off, they even add salary with this.

Because of Bargnani's upside?

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[bkknicks19]

Bledsoe is averaging 20.9ppg, 7.3apg, 4.4rpg, 1.9spg while shooting 52% from the field and leading what arguably is the least talented team in the NBA to a 5-2 record so far this season. He's making mediocre role players like Markieff Morris, NBA players of the week, knuckleheaded castoffs like Gerald Green look like 6MOY and pretty much put little question who their franchise player is right now. So there is no chance the Suns would trade him for just Bargnani and Marshon Brooks.

The time for the Knicks to try to get in on Bledsoe was when the Clippers dealt him to the Suns.

This is not a trade you can make now as some of these players cant be traded until December, when numbers should even out. I don't think bledsoe is out of the knicks reach. My point is, can this be a starting point? What would you change, or would you not even attempt to try and acquire these players because you dont think they improve the knicks? Just curious what players ppl think actually fit this current knicks squad since the ones we currently have don't.

Bledsoe is in the perfect system for his skill set and he's by far their best player. Not only does he handle the ball but he's their no.1 option. His FG% might dip from the load and the extra attention that teams will be paying him but he'll still be their no.1 option so I don't expect his PPG to drop by much at all. He's always been one heck of a rebounder for his position and the type of ball moving offense they run should guarantee that his assist numbers remain where they are. So a 20/7/4 PG that is only 23 years old that is still 2 years from unrestricted FA isn't going to be something that is gettable for the Knicks unless they trade Carmelo Anthony.

What they can do, right now if they want, is to try to trade for Goran Dragic (the other PG in Phoenix). Dragic's set to make $7.5 million a season for 3 seasons and the Suns simply do not have the financial where withal to pay a backup PG that much. As I mentioned in another thread, Shumpert and Felton works cap wise in a Dragic deal. Because the Knicks would be sucking up more money and a longer contract it's not inconceivable that they can also get Phoenix to include something else in the deal (like a 2014 1st round pick...they have 3 or Archie Goodwin or something along those lines). That's IF one thinks that Dragic can be the PG to run this team that Felton can't.

Fair enough..I dont believe dragic can be that PG to run this team and I was looking at bledsoe as more of a playmaking SG than a PG (I thought he played in a 2 PG alignment with Dragic in Phoenix, with dragic still being the main ballhandler and decision maker, am i wrong?) Short of getting an All star like Rajon Rondo, which i don't think will happen this season, I've been working under the assumption that Ray will run this team and we need to add more playmaking at the 2 and 4 spots. I dont think the knicks will be capable of pulling off any trades for all star caliber players this season hence why I thought Nene was someone they should target and really the direct source for proposing this trade.

[bkknicks19]

I am genuinely curious what the thought process in on some of these trades. How does trading a cheap young improving PG who is posting incredible numbers for a guy with zero value and an expiring SG who can't get minutes on a lotto team make sense in any head? And to top it off, they even add salary with this.

Because of Bargnani's upside?

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I dont understand how Bargnani has no value. You guys act like he is Darko Milicic or something. He should have decent value in the league as a 7ft PF/C with scoring ability. No he is not an elite defender or rebounder but neither is a guy like Brooke Lopez and I bet he has way more than zero value. Just looking for legit explanations and suggestions. I'm curious to see what ppl think the knicks can do to keep this season from getting away..

[Johnny Hoops]

Bledsoe is averaging 20.9ppg, 7.3apg, 4.4rpg, 1.9spg while shooting 52% from the field and leading what arguably is the least talented team in the NBA to a 5-2 record so far this season. He's making mediocre role players like Markieff Morris, NBA players of the week, knuckleheaded castoffs like Gerald Green look like 6MOY and pretty much put little question who their franchise player is right now. So there is no chance the Suns would trade him for just Bargnani and Marshon Brooks.

The time for the Knicks to try to get in on Bledsoe was when the Clippers dealt him to the Suns (Suns have been interested in Shumpert for years and tried again to trade for him last season). Their best shot is to try to trade for the "other PG" on the Suns.[/quote]

And 85% of this board didn't want to move Shump for Bledsoe.

Regardless of his 21PPG -- he plays a premium position and is possibly a top 5 athlete in the league.

Yet we all cling to Shump waiting for him to turn into a Ray/Tony Allen clone.

I wanted to move Shump/Chandler for Bledsoe/D. Jordan ---- I'd still do that trade today regardless of folks love affair with Shump/Tyson.

[Rasho Brezec]

Bledsoe and Dragic are prime examples of how important mentoring is. If they didn't have the opportunity to learn from allstar PG's, they wouldn't be half the players they are right now.

[R-DAWG]

Bledsoe and Dragic are prime examples of how important mentoring is. If they didn't have the opportunity to learn from allstar PG's, they wouldn't be half the players they are right now.

agreed. And that's my biggest fear with Shumpert. Jason Kidd was replaced with Chris Smith in the locker room, Kurt Thomas with Ron Artest.

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afflalo is averaging 19.7/5.1/4.4 on 47 percent three point shooting. i wonder whether we could get him.

[Bran Fast Hands]

I am genuinely curious what the thought process in on some of these trades. How does trading a cheap young improving PG who is posting incredible numbers for a guy with zero value and an expiring SG who can't get minutes on a lotto team make sense in any head? And to top it off, they even add salary with this.

I could be wrong but I think its the same dude who said Love/Brewer for Shumpert/Bargs

[Knicks_Fan2]

afflalo is averaging 19.7/5.1/4.4 on 47 percent three point shooting. i wonder whether we could get him.

It would require Shumpert and is just not a position of glaring need for us given our other problems.

[GONYK]

afflalo is averaging 19.7/5.1/4.4 on 47 percent three point shooting. i wonder whether we could get him.

It would require Shumpert and is just not a position of glaring need for us given our other problems.

Let's trade JR for him

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afflalo is averaging 19.7/5.1/4.4 on 47 percent three point shooting. i wonder whether we could get him.

It would require Shumpert and is just not a position of glaring need for us given our other problems.

i disagree. there is not a single guard on this team that would give you the offense/defense combination afflalo brings. even if we look at his numbers as small sample, his career three point shooting is at 38.5 percent which is way above our guards. this season he also showed that he can take a lead role and produce. he goes to the line, he shoots the three, he has the size and he defends. what else do you need.

i'd trade shump for afflalo in a heartbeat. question is whether orlando would do it.

[SuperflyKnick]

I am genuinely curious what the thought process in on some of these trades. How does trading a cheap young improving PG who is posting incredible numbers for a guy with zero value and an expiring SG who can't get minutes on a lotto team make sense in any head? And to top it off, they even add salary with this.

Because of Bargnani's upside?

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I dont understand how Bargnani has no value. You guys act like he is Darko Milicic or something. He should have decent value in the league as a 7ft PF/C with scoring ability. No he is not an elite defender or rebounder but neither is a guy like Brooke Lopez and I bet he has way more than zero value. Just looking for legit explanations and suggestions. I'm curious to see what ppl think the knicks can do to keep this season from getting away..

I agree, he just gets a bad rep... Dude is what he is a jump shooting big man who can get you 15-16 pts and stretch the defense.... His value is not in rebounding and Defense but impacts the game by pulling big men away from the basket allowing his team driving lanes.

[Knicks_Fan2]

afflalo is averaging 19.7/5.1/4.4 on 47 percent three point shooting. i wonder whether we could get him.

It would require Shumpert and is just not a position of glaring need for us given our other problems.

i disagree. there is not a single guard on this team that would give you the offense/defense combination afflalo brings. even if we look at his numbers as small sample, his career three point shooting is at 38.5 percent which is way above our guards. this season he also showed that he can take a lead role and produce. he goes to the line, he shoots the three, he has the size and he defends. what else do you need.

i'd trade shump for afflalo in a heartbeat. question is whether orlando would do it.

Everything you said I agree with except I don't think that player profile is a glaring need for us as is PG. Shumpert is our only legitimate trade asset. For example if the opportunity cost to such a trade is not being able to go after Rondo or, more realistically, Dragic, then I'd rather not. If the alternative is we don't know who will come loose at the deadline or next year, I'd rather not as well. Also, those stats are an incredibly small sample and is not consistent with his career stats--I expect a rather large regression but I still think he's a very good player.

[SuperflyKnick]

Our most glaring need is PG and that is evident....Jr Smith, Hardaway Jr, Bargnani should all be dangled to upgrade the pg position and backup big man

[Johnny Hoops]

Disagree. A FA is going to look at the actual roster we have and assess whether it's built to compete. Trading for a few guys on rookie contracts would help a lot in that regard. It would give us some solid role players and/or trade assets. If we have a nice core of young players around Melo and enough cap space to significantly improve from 2014 to 2015, a FA is not going to give a **** that we didn't remain competitive in 14-15. KG agreed to go to Boston after they had a terrible season. Miami didn't lure Bosh and Lebron by making win-now moves in 2009.

I agree this. I don't see how you can attract without a star in place. Gallo, Chandler, and cap space didn't entice Lebron. Having Wade did. It wouldn't matter to Howard how many young pieces Houston had if Harden wasn't there already. But the 2014 record wouldn't matter at all.

Unless a dominant player agent or agency (CAA) already has plans to package 2-stars to one location.

[Johnny Hoops]

afflalo is averaging 19.7/5.1/4.4 on 47 percent three point shooting. i wonder whether we could get him.

It would require Shumpert and is just not a position of glaring need for us given our other problems.

i disagree. there is not a single guard on this team that would give you the offense/defense combination afflalo brings. even if we look at his numbers as small sample, his career three point shooting is at 38.5 percent which is way above our guards. this season he also showed that he can take a lead role and produce. he goes to the line, he shoots the three, he has the size and he defends. what else do you need.

i'd trade shump for afflalo in a heartbeat. question is whether orlando would do it.

Afflalo is many things that Shump isn't -----

- he is consistent
- he isn't super athletic
- he's a solid on/off ball defender
- he knows how to play off the ball and space the floor
- he's proven he can play next to Melo

Problem with Aaron is his deal spills into 2015 at around $8M per (I think)

While I like him I worry we are still lost with Ray-Ray leading the charge at PG.

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Afflalo is many things that Shump isn't -----

- he is consistent
- he isn't super athletic
- he's a solid on/off ball defender
- he knows how to play off the ball and space the floor
- he's proven he can play next to Melo

Problem with Aaron is his deal spills into 2015 at around $8M per (I think)

While I like him I worry we are still lost with Ray-Ray leading the charge at PG.

Shump's cap hold for that year is around 6.5 million I think.

[j4remi]

Not sure if mentioned, Derrick Williams and Alexey Shved are available...I like Shved.

[Rasho Brezec]

Felton + Jr for Shved + Williams + Muhammad.

[Johnny Hoops]

Not sure if mentioned, Derrick Williams and Alexey Shved are available...I like Shved.

Intrigued by both but man Williams is really struggling.

Shved is really smooth/confident player --- though his shot selection (like Williams) does leave something to be desired.

One Shved would help with is he's an excellant ball-handler / passer which our team is desparately lacking.