GT: Washington Wizards @ Dallas Mavericks 11/12/13 (8:30PM E

[TheBabyMaker]

Overall I like Ariza nice player but him leading the team in scoring does not look gook in the W/L collum.

[dandridge 10]

Who **** cares about scoring.

This team continues to pile up losses because they give up points at a damn near worst in the league clip.

You're not going to win games that way, I don't care how well you do on offense.

Opponents FG% is .529 not counting tonights terrible effort.

+10000

Outside of the second half against BKN and 45 minutes against OKC, our defense has been godawful. And it's not just because we miss Oak, Marcin has been pretty decent imo. It's our perimeter D, poor individual defense from our gaurds coupled with the whole team being too slow/lazy on rotations and closing out on shooters.

+20000. Defense, or the lack thereof, has been the biggest contributor to these losses. Second biggest contributor has been a horrible bench. Whenever our second unit goes in, the other team goes on a run. The margin of error on this team is so small we can't afford one our starters to have a bad game, and tonight we had both Beal and Nene have bad nights. The only possible way we can win games like tonight is to play stellar defense and unfortunately, that has been absent pretty much all year.

[dlts20]

look, Im the biggest Wall fan there is but all of you are missing the point. Its not about playing well, its about playing up to your ability. Its like Jordan could be a good player and maybe a vvery good player if he averged 20ppg on 50% shooting but you think I wouldnt get upset at him if I knew he was capable of averaging over 30ppg on 50% shooting?

Thats the point you guys are missing. The Bulls would still be a great team but do you think they win 6 titles if MJ is a 10 time all star at 20ppg? Hell NO. Wall is better then this. It doesnt matter if he's playing well or good enough for us to hang in or win. He can actually win games on his own like the great players in the league are doing. He's capable of that. We beat OKC if Nene doesnt get tossed, if we rebound, if we make FT's but we also beat OKC if KD doesnt go KD on us. Wall has to start going Wall on teams but I guess not since this is acceptable to you.

Again, Im not ripping him. This is not like people bashing RG3 and saying that he sucks, is overrated, needs to be benched, etc. I thought that was the dumbest thing ever. Im not saying Wall sucks or is even playing bad. He just has so much more to offer and he's not trying to offer it. Its not even that he's in a slump or whatever. He's not even trying to take over a game right now. Thats what is irking me. Even if we flip the switch and play well with Wall playing like this, its still not as good as we can be. Stop settling as fans. He can be an All Star and still not be playing like the talent he has

[Illmatic21]

2-5. Good for last in the East.

Best 2-5 team in the East. Book it.

Fortunately Detroit is keeping pace with us.. they're about to drop to 2-5 as well.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

Kansas vs Duke **** on this game!

[dangermouse]

Only 2 players out injured. W-L 2-5.

Whats the excuse this year Ted?

[Jimmy Recard]

Overall I like Ariza nice player but him leading the team in scoring does not look gook in the W/L collum.

It looks good for his trade value

[B-easy]

Somebody probably told wall not to shoot so much.

[Jimmy Recard]

Who **** cares about scoring.

This team continues to pile up losses because they give up points at a damn near worst in the league clip.

You're not going to win games that way, I don't care how well you do on offense.

Opponents FG% is .529 not counting tonights terrible effort.

+10000

Outside of the second half against BKN and 45 minutes against OKC, our defense has been godawful. And it's not just because we miss Oak, Marcin has been pretty decent imo. It's our perimeter D, poor individual defense from our gaurds coupled with the whole team being too slow/lazy on rotations and closing out on shooters.

So why is that ?

What is different from last year.

Same team except Okafor, Crawford, Martin, Price some Collins, Barron, Livingston, Mack and Pargo
They played Singleton, Ves and Temple at different times.

I guess you can go back and look at the games they won and see what the trend was.
Was it great D or better offense ?

Okafor, Temple, Ves, Price ... ? Crawford ? More Kevin ? Ves ? Martin ?

What was it ? If there was any it to it.

Like dandridge said, it's our defense, followed by our bench, followed by our offense in the halfcourt (which has been sucky since the beginning of the Wall era).

Was it great D or better offense ?

I don't think we were that much better on offense in terms if executing in the halfcourt over the last couple months last season. I think our defense triggered most of it. Getting stops allowed Wall to get out in transition as much as possible and either get to the rim at will, or kick it out to one of Beal/Webster/Ariza spotting up. We havent seen enough of that this season because we're not getting stops.

Another thing about Wall, he doesn't play anywhere near the same tempo on the road as he does at home. We need to get out and run and get as many easy baskets as possible if we're gonna compete on the road. Again, it's hard to do that though when you're second last in the league on defense.

[hands11]

the fact is that the Calderon-Ellis duo may be the worst defensive backcourt in the NBA. It has to be. There is no way that Wall & Beal can only combine for 23pts against that duo. Wall took his foot off the gas again and Beal haasnt been able to drive when his J isnt falling

10 shoots from Beal is a season low in attempts but he was off and other players were scoring more efficiently then he was. He did have 7 rebounds though.

Trevor A has a really good game except for 4 turnovers but he had 4 steals to counter that.

Weird looking at the stats.

3 Balls .. Same amount of 3 pt attempts, they made one more
FTAs - Wiz got 10 more attempts. Both teams shot the same percent. Wiz had 9 more pts from that.
Rebounds basically even. Same offensive rebounds and Wiz had 2 more total
Fouls even at 20
Assists... even
Blocks.. Wizard had 2 more
Steals.. Wizard had 3 more

but

Turnovers. Wiz had 4 more and thats not from steals because we had 3 more steals then them
FGAs.. somehow Dallas for 9 more and shot a little better so they made 41-84 vs 33-75

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400488981

So where did the extra 9 shoot attempts come from?

Does that come from the 10 more FTAs we had ? That would be 5 of the different in shoot attempts.
Plus we had those 4 more turnovers then them. Were some from the bad ref out of bounds calls ?

Wizards
Fast break points: 28
Points in the paint: 32
Total Team Turnovers (Points off turnovers): 19 (17)

Dallas
Fast break points: 5
Points in the paint: 40
Total Team Turnovers (Points off turnovers): 16 (20)

Nene has 6 TOs in 33 minutes but he had 3 steals - 3 for Nene
Trevor A had 4 in 37 minutes but he had 4 steals. Kind of a wash.

Dallas shot 5% better.

So was it crappy D, or Beal going 2-10, Maynor 1-5 and Nene turning the ball over ?
Beal 0-2 from 3 and Webster 0-3 from 3 and only 6 pts in 20 mins. Beal only 9 is 37 minutes

No one else on the Wizards and non of the Dallas players shot that bad.

And Vince killed them.. 4-9 from 3 and 6-13 FGA in 26 minutes. But Carter always kills them.

Summary
So basically... Trevor A was the best player on the floor tonight.

Nene, Beal, Webster, Maynor were out played by Dirk, Carter, Ellis, Gal Mekel
That 2 starter that lost the battle and two bench player.

Maynor vs Gal Mekel... Mekel didn't shoot. in 12 min he was 1-2. Maynor was 1-5 in 14 minutes.

Randy could have helped the one bench battle by playing Temple more then one min
As for Carter.. That was Websters job. What are you going to do. Try Glen Rice ?
So them it comes down to Nene and Beal vs Dirk and Ellis
Nene was efficient in scoring but had was net -4 in turnovers
Beal 9 pts. Ellis 19 pts. We lost by 10

So I would put it on Beal, Randy, Nene and Webster
Mostly Beal and Webster needed to step it up and Randy needed to try Glen and Temple some.

It fine for Randy to stick with a young starter like Beal but at some point, you have to give your bench a chance to help you. If not, why have them on the roster.

[jivelikenice]

It's the bench and the D. Starters went out up 6. IN ONE POSSESSION SERAPHIN MANAGED TO GIVE AWAY 7 POINTS! Two and 1s, two offensive boards for Dallas, and a 3 pointer for Vince. By the time the starters are back all n the floor its a NINE POINT DEFICIT. The game v Brooklyn the same thing happened but we just got lucky and were able to come back. Starters v starters, we looked like the better team tonight but it doesn't matter if our bench is absolute trash.

The D stinks. They're just soo dumb on the court. The double ppl who don't deserve to be doubled and can't stop penetration


Néne is playing better but he has to be better from the ft line

Phil Jackson used to let the Bulls play through runs by the opposition. WE'RE NOT THE BULLS! Call a DAMN TIMEOUT before the lead balloons.

[jivelikenice]

D-bag move by Wittman... Putting in Vesely and GR Jr. for their first minute of the season with one min left in a blow out away loss.

I hope tonight's performance by Kevin all but spells the end of his career as a Wizard, or at least keeps him in the doghouse for the foreseeable future. Im good with Vesely being our first or second big off the bench. At least he battles out there.

I've been a Kevin supporter but what he did in three minutes was just pathetic. He should not see the court ever again as far as I'm concerned.

[jivelikenice]

Im sorry but Wall cant be guarded by Calderon all night and end up with just 9 attempts, espically when he's over 50%. Im guessing everyone is ok with that though

Absolutely not, but he went off when other guys were down. Randy wont give him that green light right now. He's going to run the O through Néne.

[nuposse04]

Something I use to like in Randy was that he'd give other guys chances if the players ahead of them were stinking it up. Maynor, Harrington and Seraphin should lose all their minutes to Temple, GR JR, Booker and Jan as far as I'm concerned. He knows the bench is weak...but why keep playing the same bench guys...why run ur starters into the ground. Randy has run out his welcome in DC with me. Seems like a good guy, but he's inconsistent on rotations, and is far too reactive. Doesn't stop the bleeding quick enough, doesn't exploit matchups, every game seems to be lacking any real gameplan and they just do the **** on the fly. I don't believe the season is done but its going to be uphill climb with this type of coaching. Ted needs to stop cheaping out the fanbase. There are good coaches available.

[hands11]

look, Im the biggest Wall fan there is but all of you are missing the point. Its not about playing well, its about playing up to your ability. Its like Jordan could be a good player and maybe a vvery good player if he averged 20ppg on 50% shooting but you think I wouldnt get upset at him if I knew he was capable of averaging over 30ppg on 50% shooting?

Thats the point you guys are missing. The Bulls would still be a great team but do you think they win 6 titles if MJ is a 10 time all star at 20ppg? Hell NO. Wall is better then this. It doesnt matter if he's playing well or good enough for us to hang in or win. He can actually win games on his own like the great players in the league are doing. He's capable of that. We beat OKC if Nene doesnt get tossed, if we rebound, if we make FT's but we also beat OKC if KD doesnt go KD on us. Wall has to start going Wall on teams but I guess not since this is acceptable to you.

Again, Im not ripping him. This is not like people bashing RG3 and saying that he sucks, is overrated, needs to be benched, etc. I thought that was the dumbest thing ever. Im not saying Wall sucks or is even playing bad. He just has so much more to offer and he's not trying to offer it. Its not even that he's in a slump or whatever. He's not even trying to take over a game right now. Thats what is irking me. Even if we flip the switch and play well with Wall playing like this, its still not as good as we can be. Stop settling as fans. He can be an All Star and still not be playing like the talent he has

I think there may be a bigger picture in play here.

I saw Wall for the first time in his career run multiple pick and roll plays one after another. 3 in a row to Gortat and one to Nene. Using a bounce pass.

We know Wall can go Wall on people and we bashed him for hero ball in the past. What he needs to do is develop more court skills like the what I just saw. Cuz adding a pick n roll ( which I didn't see until later in the game ) for Gortat will allow them to run that earlier in games to get Gortat off. Then add that to improving outside shooting.. .357 from 3 on 4.7 attempts a game. Add in his already developed skip pass.

Now add that to his drives and fastbreaks. Now you have an arsenal.

People always complain there is no player development. Well for as much as Randy's rotation and short bench bother me, it does "appear" they are actually developing Walls game. He can turn on the driving stuff whenever he wants. Plus, he did have the bad back. For me, I loved seeing the pick n roll skills coming around. Wall had a good game. Probably should have shot 2 or 3 more times but not a big deal.

Beal going 2-10 in 37 mins, that a bigger problem as is Randy not seeing if Glen could help. AGAIN

Glen was added to replace Crawford as a back up SG. Use him already. He isn't your normal 2nd round pick. He would have gone in the first if not for questions about his past.

[B-easy]

The mavs are 5-3 and 9th in the west. If they were in the east they would be 2nd.

[jivelikenice]

Martell with a -25! That's what happens when decisions are based on sentimentality.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I am officially neutral about Wittman, and on the verge of hoping for a new coach.

The Wizards can be summed up like this: Dejuan Blair had 9 points, 11 rebounds in 24 minutes. He finished +20. The Wizards rejected Blair when they could not afford a very small contract due to bidding the BAE on Maynor. Meanwhile, Gortat has 12 and 12, but they spent a first round pick for no guarantee Gortat will stay. Also, they spent a #6 pick on Vesely and he has played 1 minute in 7 games.

Randy Wittman is like Flip. Veteran means more minutes, earned by reputation but not fairly won. Harrington is playing ahead of Booker, Vesely, Rice, and Webster and Beal is playing way too many minutes. Witt isn't in to keeping every player involved.

Another thing: Nate Wolters leads the NBA in assist to turnover ratio as a STARTER for the Bucks. They traded Wolters for Rice Jr. Randy Wittman gave Rice one minute tonight.

This coach has lost 5 of 7 using a short bench but playing Seraphin and not Vesely or Rice. Vesely would IMO help more most nights than Seraphin. Rice should have played more by now. This coach so far this season is stifling and not creative. I don't think several guys are being allowed the opportunity to help the Wizards win games.

If Randy gets fired I won't miss his rotations. I hate when coaches lose, yet insist on losing without trying other players. They have favorites not good enough to consistently games with who the coach will ride and die with.





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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

look, Im the biggest Wall fan there is but all of you are missing the point. Its not about playing well, its about playing up to your ability. Its like Jordan could be a good player and maybe a vvery good player if he averged 20ppg on 50% shooting but you think I wouldnt get upset at him if I knew he was capable of averaging over 30ppg on 50% shooting?

Thats the point you guys are missing. The Bulls would still be a great team but do you think they win 6 titles if MJ is a 10 time all star at 20ppg? Hell NO. Wall is better then this. It doesnt matter if he's playing well or good enough for us to hang in or win. He can actually win games on his own like the great players in the league are doing. He's capable of that. We beat OKC if Nene doesnt get tossed, if we rebound, if we make FT's but we also beat OKC if KD doesnt go KD on us. Wall has to start going Wall on teams but I guess not since this is acceptable to you.

Again, Im not ripping him. This is not like people bashing RG3 and saying that he sucks, is overrated, needs to be benched, etc. I thought that was the dumbest thing ever. Im not saying Wall sucks or is even playing bad. He just has so much more to offer and he's not trying to offer it. Its not even that he's in a slump or whatever. He's not even trying to take over a game right now. Thats what is irking me. Even if we flip the switch and play well with Wall playing like this, its still not as good as we can be. Stop settling as fans. He can be an All Star and still not be playing like the talent he has

I think there may be a bigger picture in play here.

I saw Wall for the first time in his career run multiple pick and roll plays one after another. 3 in a row to Gortat and one to Nene. Using a bounce pass.

We know Wall can go Wall on people and we bashed him for hero ball in the past. What he needs to do is develop more court skills like the what I just saw. Cuz adding a pick n roll ( which I didn't see until later in the game ) for Gortat will allow them to run that earlier in games to get Gortat off. Then add that to improving outside shooting.. .357 from 3 on 4.7 attempts a game. Add in his already developed skip pass.

Now add that to his drives and fastbreaks. Now you have an arsenal.

People always complain there is no player development. Well for as much as Randy's rotation and short bench bother me, it does "appear" they are actually developing Walls game. He can turn on the driving stuff whenever he wants. Plus, he did have the bad back. For me, I loved seeing the pick n roll skills coming around. Wall had a good game. Probably should have shot 2 or 3 more times but not a big deal.

Beal going 2-10 in 37 mins, that a bigger problem as is Randy not seeing if Glen could help. AGAIN

Glen was added to replace Crawford as a back up SG. Use him already. He isn't your normal 2nd round pick. He would have gone in the first if not for questions about his past.

I agree on Glen, and also think Martell Webster could play more SG. Wittman could try Beal a minute or two at PG in some situations with both Ariza and Webster. Nene and Harrington have good handles. They both pass well. Gortat is also a good passer. Wall or Maynor shouldn't HAVE TO be the only person who is the PG.

There's got to be a way to get the most athletic players in games. Rice with Beal or even Vesely with Harrington or Gortat is possibly a good idea.

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[closg00]

The Wizards are currently tied for last place in the East.