The answer to all our problems... JEREMY LIN

joseph235 · Post #141 » by **joseph235** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:03 am

I want them to tank so I don't want to risk a repeat of Linsanity where he takes a bunch of scrubs to a 7 game winning streak. Maybe in 2 years they can go after him when he's a FA but not now.

SaveTheHens · Post #142 » by **SaveTheHens** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:07 am

I like the idea but I dont see why Houston would trade him. He markets them just as much & he's actually played pretty well for them this season. If we traded Lowry for Lin I don't see Houston including any picks.

cammac · Post #143 » by **cammac** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:11 am

BballFever1 wrote:No thanks, look at his salary... 3 year 25 mil and its structured so that he gets 15 mil in the 3rd year. Don't think Toronto to overspend on another useless player in the long run. Houston might be benching him so struggling teams are willing to trade for him so they can get a salary dump for next year.

His salary is like Fields only NYKs would have had to pay the 15 million his salary is about 8.35 a year.

spaceballer · Post #144 » by **spaceballer** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:42 am

SaveTheHens wrote:I like the idea but I dont see why Houston would trade him. He markets them just as much & he's actually played pretty well for them this season. If we traded Lowry for Lin I don't see Houston including any picks.

Houston has their eye on some 3rd superstar to create a big three, guys like Aldridge, Love, etc. Trading Asik alone may not be enough value-wise or salary-wise, especially if they want a backup C or other parts coming back to fill missing holes. Their best bet is for Lin to play well and package Asik and Lin together for that Superstar PF if one becomes available.

And, as for the OP, obviously he's wrong. Lin is not "the answer" to the OP's tanking dreams since Lin would actually derail the tank. JLin's showing off his improved 3pt shot from the offseason, and no longer recovering from injury like last year, and he has a knack for making the roleplayers around him play better when he runs the offense.

Kabatnaz · Post #145 » by **Kabatnaz** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:59 pm

BAMartian wrote:
Kabatnaz wrote:
BAMartian wrote:
I can't get over how many people don't read posts and just respond. You're talking about "the answer" when you don't even know what the question is.

OP starts thread stating that Ln is the answer to all our problems.

No point reading because the concept is ridiculous.

Stated that this Lin thread only exists because OP saw what (s)he thought was a good game out of Lin (and because (s)he is a fan to begin with) and feels that there should be a thread about it.

Lin threads should be closed because it has nothing remotely to do with this team.

And he sucks.

LOL the first sentence in this thread states:

I should point out that I'm not a fan of Lin nor do I think he's anything special in terms of talent

Then I go on to explain...

Lin solves both problems because he'll attract fans to the team and he'll boost ratings but he won't make us better.

Yes I'm a huge Lin fan you dumbass. Read the post before you assume to know what my point is, kid

You're right. I'm 12 years old and my opinion is irrelevant because of my age and your ripe old age of 21 makes you the next Red Auerbach.

brownbobcat · Post #146 » by **brownbobcat** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:49 pm

cammac wrote:His salary is like Fields only NYKs would have had to pay the 15 million his salary is about 8.35 a year.

Both Fields and Lin get a big salary bump in their last year. Lin gets paid 15 mil of actual money in the last year, but it's a cap hit of 8.35.

cammac · Post #147 » by **cammac** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:14 pm

brownbobcat wrote:
cammac wrote:His salary is like Fields only NYKs would have had to pay the 15 million his salary is about 8.35 a year.

Both Fields and Lin get a big salary bump in their last year. Lin gets paid 15 mil of actual money in the last year, but it's a cap hit of 8.35.

Cap hits are al that matters to wealthy teams.

Narjee · Post #148 » by **Narjee** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:50 pm

SaveTheHens wrote:I like the idea but I dont see why Houston would trade him. He markets them just as much & he's actually played pretty well for them this season. If we traded Lowry for Lin I don't see Houston including any picks.

Houston would never take back Lowry, neither will Memphis, they all know who is, a back-up PG, plain and simple, who'll be lucky if he can even crack the top 20 PG's list.

He's kind of like Bargs, goes on a spirited run over the course of a few games, gets injured, and all his fanboys get wet hoping he'll bring that back, in the music business we call that a one hit wonder.

goinrogue · Post #149 » by **goinrogue** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:18 pm

I realize Jeremy LIn is popular among a lot of posters here for many reasons, most of which have little to do with his ability as a basketball player cause he, well, SUCKS! Honestly, though, if this thread was titled 'The answer to all our problems ... "any other player" this thread would have been locked a looooong time ago. My guess is three posts in, a mod would have come in and said 'put this in the trade thread.'
Come on guys, I know a lot of you like the Lin'ster but this thread is embarrassing.

adambuddy · Post #150 » by **adambuddy** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:13 pm

Lin >>>> Lowry. I didn't realize people gave Lin this little credit. He's not a D-League level player not even close. This is a P&R league and he's a great fit where he is. 6th man off the bench running P&R all day when Harden sits. There's no way the Rockets, a team known for liking to retain their picks and valuing second rounders (because a second round rotation player is one of the most valuable things you can find) would be willing to give up any pick for what could be looked at as a slight upgrade at BEST.

Lin right now 18.1PER .666 TS% .610 Efg%

Lowry 15.7 .551 .526

The_Hater · Post #151 » by **The_Hater** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:58 am

Lin on fire again tonight. 9 3-pointers and 12 assists. Now averaging 18/5 on 54% shooting including 51% from the arc.

Unfortunately several astute posters have stated in no uncertain terms that Lin "sucks" so I need to bow down to their superior scouting skills here. That's obvious though, any perimeter player shooting above 40%, making 3 pointers and having the nerve to share the ball with his teammates wouldn't fit in with this roster.

Post #152 » by **niQ** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:19 am

Lin went OFF tonight! Damn!

tamamada · Post #153 » by **tamamada** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:51 am

Hassassin wrote:
Choker wrote:
plainballing wrote:No it DOESN'T make sense. If J-Lin doesn't produce then no one is coming in to watch him "just" because he's Asian.

Yao Ming is a true all-star, which is the reason why so many people come to see him play. Not J-Lin.

His 15 mil is too much for a player that can't produce at a high level. That is why money spender like the Knicks are not bringing him back.

lol the Knicks did everything in their power to bring Jeremy Lin back, even went to court for it and probably made some wink wink deals when the NBA overlooked their own rules, just to give them the opportunity to bring him back to New York. The reason they didn't bring him back was because of pride, not money; Dolan has one of the biggest egos in the league and felt back handed when Lin agreed to that poison pill contract.

By the way since most people here don't know this, Lin isn't making 15 million next year, that was only if the Knicks matched it. He's on a steady contract making 8 million a year. And with the money that we're owing our players, he's giving Houston the bang for their buck.

Actually, Lin will be making 15 million next season. For cap purposes, however, it will be 8M on the books.

After researching the internet for a little while I located this article.
http://www.businessinsider.com/jeremy-l ... cks-2012-7
http://fansided.com/2012/07/05/houston- ... on-a-deal/

So as a matter of fact, Lin's contract is spread out throughout his years with Houston and having the 4th year @ team option.

spaceballer · Post #154 » by **spaceballer** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:56 am

tamamada wrote:After researching the internet for a little while I located this article.
http://www.businessinsider.com/jeremy-l ... cks-2012-7
http://fansided.com/2012/07/05/houston- ... on-a-deal/

So as a matter of fact, Lin's contract is spread out throughout his years with Houston and having the 4th year @ team option.

The cap hit is spread out, the cash payment is not.

1) For the Rockets (and any team that trades for him, including the Knicks):
money payout is 5/5/15
cap hit, salary on the books, luxury tax calculation, trade matching salary is 8.3/8.3/8.3

2) For the Knicks if they matched (and any team that trades for him, including the Rockets):
money payout is 5/5/15
cap hit, salary on the books, luxury tax purposes, trade matching salary is 5/5/15

Number 2 no longer applies, since the Knicks declined to match.

There is no 4th year team option. Your 2nd link is outdated. The Rockets originally proposed a deal that contained such 4th yr team option (it was 5/5/10/10 with the 4th yr being a team option), but when Woodson responded to media reports about that rumored deal by saying the Knicks would match for sure, the Rockets owner instructed his GM to get more aggressive. So the Rockets revised the team option 4yr/30M deal into the 3yr/25M deal with no team option.

Unless you have a broke owner in luxury tax hell or a cheapskate unwilling to spend, the actual money payout isn't as important as the cap hit. The latter is what restricts freedom in team building or trade negotiations. The former is just money out of the owner's wallet and has no impact on salary caps or salary on the books.

Boogie! · Post #155 » by **Boogie!** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:02 am

honestly don't understand why people think he sucks. he had the insanity period in new york when he just went crazy. he posted superstar numbers while melo was out. and then he goes to houston the next year with somewhat high expectations due his contract and was underwhelming. moreso average than ****. but i swear to god, the same people that will hype up derozan as the next big thing for example, will say that this guy is no more than a scrub. don't get it at all. even our announcers at the houston game were ripping him hard every time he made a mistake. maybe it's racism. but i said it before, he'd arguably be the third best player on this current raptors squad as currently constructed. which may not be saying much by some standards, but it definitely means he does not suck. he's got good vision, is a smart player who can run the pick and roll and has range. and he may not be a good 1 on 1 defender, but he gets steals.

JimBeanz · Post #156 » by **JimBeanz** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:10 pm

goinrogue wrote:I realize Jeremy LIn is popular among a lot of posters here for many reasons, most of which have little to do with his ability as a basketball player cause he, well, SUCKS! Honestly, though, if this thread was titled 'The answer to all our problems ... "any other player" this thread would have been locked a looooong time ago. My guess is three posts in, a mod would have come in and said 'put this in the trade thread.'
Come on guys, I know a lot of you like the Lin'ster but this thread is embarrassing.

I can't tell if you're being facetious or if you actually missed Lin scoring 65 points on 60% from the field and 57% from 3 over the past two games...

I don't get this anti-hype movement where anytime a player is slightly over-represented on ESPN he is automatically over-rated and trash. Just turn off the TV if it makes you mad watching other people doing cool things...

tamamada · Post #157 » by **tamamada** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:42 pm

*spaceballer

Where does the cash payment came from?
That's where I don't get it.
Salary of 5/5/15 = 8.3/8.3/8.3
Nyk will take a huge hit in the last year on the cap because of the matching
However, if Lin is getting cash payments, he will be earning more than 25 mil total.
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Post #158 » by **Hassassin** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:51 pm

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djsunyc · Post #159 » by **djsunyc** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:07 pm

lin is good and it's amazing how a team like the knicks with zero draft picks stumble into a young player like this and decide to let him go b/c dolan's feelings were hurt.

Brotherston · Post #160 » by **Brotherston** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:19 pm

Lin is an interesting player and its easy to forget just how short his tenure in the NBA really is - he might actually continue to improve. His contract sucks - but landing Lin with the intention of tanking just might not work out as planned. Players don't tank games - organizations do - sometimes the players refuse to accept the message - see 76ers