Official Speculation Thread Pt.LXII

Orlwillbeback · Post #1301 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:56 am

The Real Dalic wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:Afflalo for 2nd rounders and i would be ecstatic

Not sure if serious.

The fate of the franchise depends on us getting a top 5 pick in this draft.

Edited: Please refrain from personal attacks. See PM.

-Dev

NickAnderson · Post #1302 » by **NickAnderson** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:57 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:you are cancer to the board. The fate of the franchise depends on us getting a top 5 pick in this draft. You are either hopelessly nieve, stupid, or both.

^^ That guy is drunk.

Orlwillbeback · Post #1303 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:00 am

NickAnderson wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:you are cancer to the board. The fate of the franchise depends on us getting a top 5 pick in this draft. You are either hopelessly nieve, stupid, or both.

^^ That guy is drunk.

Seriously defend your position. Make the case that we should not tank. I don't want to win 35 games and draft Gary **** Harris!

The Real Dalic · Post #1304 » by **The Real Dalic** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:10 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:Afflalo for 2nd rounders and i would be ecstatic

Not sure if serious.

you are cancer to the board. The fate of the franchise depends on us getting a top 5 pick in this draft. You are either hopelessly nieve, stupid, or both.

I'm a cancer to the board? Nice. All I said was "Not sure if serious". Not sure why you called me stupid. Which I find funny considering you misspelled naive.

Besides, I've defended my position multiple times but decided to back off the tanking comments some considering some people were getting bothered by it. However, trading Afflalo for 2nd rounders is ridiculous. I'm sure there are other pro tank guys out there that either want to keep Afflalo, or trade him for equal, or greater value. Like a 1st round pick, or Deng for example.

Orlwillbeback · Post #1305 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:14 am

The Real Dalic wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:Not sure if serious.

you are cancer to the board. The fate of the franchise depends on us getting a top 5 pick in this draft. You are either hopelessly nieve, stupid, or both.

I'm a cancer to the board? Nice. All I said was "Not sure if serious". Not sure why you called me stupid. Which I find funny considering you misspelled naive.

Besides, I've defended my position multiple times but decided to back of the tanking comments some considering some people were getting bothered by it. However, trading Afflalo for 2nd rounders is ridiculous. I'm sure there are other pro tank guys out there that either want to keep Afflalo, or trade him for equal, or greater value. Like a 1st round pick, or Deng for example.

If we trade Afflalo, it needs to be for something that wont help us win. Like an injured player or draft picks. We have no use for Deng, and frankly don't know why he would want to come here. He needs to go to a competitive team or quasi competitive team.

NickAnderson · Post #1306 » by **NickAnderson** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:28 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:
NickAnderson wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:you are cancer to the board. The fate of the franchise depends on us getting a top 5 pick in this draft. You are either hopelessly nieve, stupid, or both.

^^ That guy is drunk.

Seriously defend your position. Make the case that we should not tank. I don't want to win 35 games and draft Gary **** Harris!

I think we should tank.

I just assumed you were drunk because you wanted to trade AA for a 2nd rounder.

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Ducklett · Post #1307 » by **Ducklett** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:46 am

Like 2 months ago on this very board, I said AA was a top 10 SG this season and I was told that he was trash/no chance/never post on the boards again.

I would like to take some time and say to all those haters from before: NAH NAH NAH NAH BOO BOO

j_n · Post #1308 » by **j_n** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:58 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:you are cancer to the board. The fate of the franchise depends on us getting a top 5 pick in this draft. You are either hopelessly nieve, stupid, or both.

Im sure most of us wants to see Afflalo traded as soon as possible but for second rounders?
He is putting up 21,5,5 with 61 ts% and is third in the NBA in Per amongst Shooting guards, surely we can at least get a first for him from a playoff team.

After what we got for JJ last year in the trade deadline Im sure most of us are hoping for a similar trade from Hennigan.

InFlames · Post #1309 » by **InFlames** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:29 pm

Cle and Sac are both looking to make trades according to Alex Kennedy. Dion is a bad fit with Kyrie.

Optimus_Steel · Post #1310 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:52 pm

InFlames wrote:Cle and Sac are both looking to make trades according to Alex Kennedy. Dion is a bad fit with Kyrie.

Everytime I see them they look like a terrible fit. Whats the deal with Zeller? He looked promising last year but now he bearly plays.

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NEM · Post #1311 » by **NEM** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:00 pm

I don't think we could get waiters for afflalo due to the fact that it's only his second year and the size if their investment in him. No way Sacramento would trade for afflalo as there is no need with Thornton and mclemore there.

I'd def trade aa for waiters, but like I said no way Cleveland does it

94_MagicFan · Post #1312 » by **94_MagicFan** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:18 pm

Afflalo to wash for jan vesley and 15 1st

fendilim · Post #1313 » by **fendilim** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:43 pm

j_n wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:you are cancer to the board. The fate of the franchise depends on us getting a top 5 pick in this draft. You are either hopelessly nieve, stupid, or both.

Im sure most of us wants to see Afflalo traded as soon as possible but for second rounders?
He is putting up 21,5,5 with 61 ts% and is third in the NBA in Per amongst Shooting guards, surely we can at least get a first for him from a playoff team.

After what we got for JJ last year in the trade deadline Im sure most of us are hoping for a similar trade from Hennigan.

sad but true. All hell will break loose in this board if we didnt get the same or better return.

No way we should trade aa for just 2nd ounders.

KingRobb02 · Post #1314 » by **KingRobb02** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:53 pm

j_n wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:you are cancer to the board. The fate of the franchise depends on us getting a top 5 pick in this draft. You are either hopelessly nieve, stupid, or both.

Im sure most of us wants to see Afflalo traded as soon as possible but for second rounders?
He is putting up 21,5,5 with 61 ts% and is third in the NBA in Per amongst Shooting guards, surely we can at least get a first for him from a playoff team.

After what we got for JJ last year in the trade deadline Im sure most of us are hoping for a similar trade from Hennigan.

If I thought he was capable of sustaining those numbers (or even 18-4-4 with 58% TS) I would be 100% opposed to trading him, but right now I think he is at his peak value, and unless teams are as skeptical as I am, I think a late first would not be out of the question.

j_n · Post #1315 » by **j_n** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:35 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:If I thought he was capable of sustaining those numbers (or even 18-4-4 with 58% TS) I would be 100% opposed to trading him, but right now I think he is at his peak value, and unless teams are as skeptical as I am, I think a late first would not be out of the question.

Pretty much how I see it although I am impressed with his improved passing game and his willingness to give up the ball rather than put his head down and go for that contested jumper that he loves so much.

KingRobb02 · Post #1316 » by **KingRobb02** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:39 pm

j_n wrote:
KingRobb02 wrote:If I thought he was capable of sustaining those numbers (or even 18-4-4 with 58% TS) I would be 100% opposed to trading him, but right now I think he is at his peak value, and unless teams are as skeptical as I am, I think a late first would not be out of the question.

Pretty much how I see it although I am impressed with his improved passing game and his willingness to give up the ball rather than put his head down and go for that contested jumper that he loves so much.

Love the fact that he is taking over the JJ role all of a sudden. Kind of makes me hate him more since it seems like he could have been a lot better last year, but he decided he wanted to be a gunner. Can you imagine the ball movement with him, Jameer, and Redick all passing the ball around last year? Wait, I just had flashbacks to Arron and Jameer doing their Francis/Mobley routine.

Neato · Post #1317 » by **Neato** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:53 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:Afflalo for 2nd rounders and i would be ecstatic

Not sure if serious.

you are cancer to the board. The fate of the franchise depends on us getting a top 5 pick in this draft. You are either hopelessly nieve, stupid, or both.

Listen, I get what you're saying but that's out of line. You can't fault fans for supporting their team and players during games. To be honest we don't understand your kind either. Sometimes guys like you just come across as another variation of a bandwagon fan or possibly a troll. You wish that we lose games. You cheer for the other team to win against us. You can't cheer our guys on during the lowest times. You only support the team during games after we land a superstar in the draft. You want to trade our players for pennies on the dollar. Those aren't characteristics that come to mind when I think of a fan. I accept that we don't get each other but back off with the insults.

OrlDave · Post #1318 » by **OrlDave** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:54 pm

NEM wrote:
I'd def trade aa for waiters, but like I said no way Cleveland does it

This is a question and not a suggestion. I'm not really that familiar with Waiters beyond his draft position and stat line, would he be worth AA+Harkless and do you think Cleveland would do it?

flying_mollusk · Post #1319 » by **flying_mollusk** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:59 pm

I was just thinking that Cleveland might be a great trade partner for AA because they have a plethora of 1st round picks:

2014 first round draft pick from Sacramento
Sacramento's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-12 in 2014, 1-10 in 2015, 1-10 in 2016 or 1-10 in 2017; if Sacramento has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Cleveland by 2017, then Sacramento will instead convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 56-60 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Cleveland will be extinguished) [Cleveland-Sacramento, 6/30/2011]

2014 second round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 2014 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Memphis, 7/25/2012]

2014 second round draft pick from Orlando
Orlando's 2014 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Orlando, 6/23/2011]

2015 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 or 1-5 in 2018 or unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013]

2015 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-10 in 2015 or 1-10 in 2016 or unprotected in 2017 [Cleveland-Miami, 7/9/2010]

2015 second round draft pick from Portland
Portland's 2015 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Portland, 6/27/2013]

2016 second round draft pick from Portland
Portland's 2016 2nd round pick to Cleveland [Cleveland-Portland, 6/27/2013]

flying_mollusk · Post #1320 » by **flying_mollusk** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:06 pm

Glen Davis and AA for Andrew Bynum, Cleveland 1st rounder this year lottery protected and Memphis 2015 pick that is protected past pick 5 plus our second rounder back this year. Bynum is not guaranteed for next year so we cut salary and get draft picks. If Cleveland makes playoffs with Afflalo, we get a 3rd first rounder this year.