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Re: Nets @ Kings (Mclemore gets the start!) 

Post#21 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:50 am

blind prophet wrote:Looks like just 6 turnovers for the game. Nice to see the fellas playing team ball. Good effort as well.



Yeah, this teams' success as usual, tied to the APG category.

Dare I say I saw this team run some pick and roll too with actual success! Still, Vasquez although right to gush in the post game about him being able to play in the pick and roll, Cousins has yet to show up as a legit option in that set. However, JT and PPat looked good tonight. JT didn't hit a lot of shots but the pick and pop should be and is his game at this level. If they can find a balance between running pick and roll for those guys and low post and high post options for Cuz it can work. I just don't see Cuz being a great pick and roll big, he could be decent maybe but that's not his game. Now, if they can run some pick and pop for him it could be a good option but I'll make sure to hang around this board less if they do. :lol:
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Re: Nets @ Kings (Mclemore gets the start!) 

Post#22 » by Wolfay » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:08 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:And this is a perfect example of why it's all system and coaching vs. who starts and who doesn't. McLemore is just being plopped down in the same role Thornton was, very little in the way of sets that get the SG's on this team any good looks. There has to be some plays they've worked on to get the SG's on this team a good look.


B-Mac got the start because he actually gives a damn and can play a team game, unlike Thornton has shown.



Hmmm... lets look at what happened again here. Roles reversed, situation reversed. Coicidence? I think not. At least not entirely.


You didn't read what I wrote. Thornton started on the bench because he was a whiny little b**** the first 6 games. That was Malone's reasoning. There's no roles or anything else you want to make up involved here.

But to answer your question anyway, yea it was coincidence. B-Mac got nervous and Thornton finally decided to give a crap. It's really that simple.
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Re: Nets @ Kings (Mclemore gets the start!) 

Post#23 » by ICMTM » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:25 pm

It was a nice win, but I saw a Brooklyn team that wasn't very competitive. Garnett looked done. Joe Johnson was horrible. The Nets had several matchups with Paul Pierce on Vasquez and didn't go at it enough.
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Re: Nets @ Kings (Mclemore gets the start!) 

Post#24 » by longfellow44 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:48 pm

What I saw was really simple. We play a more perimeter based game with cousins on the bench. Meaning thornton has more of an opportunity to get the ball where he likes and not have to pass into the post. It just allows him to be more selfish with the ball with less players needing touches when he is on the court.

As for mclemore he is an energy guy who doesnt need set plays yet and he dosent demand the ball making our starting unit more effective.
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Re: Nets @ Kings (Mclemore gets the start!) 

Post#25 » by Cruel_Ruin » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:39 pm

longfellow44 wrote:What I saw was really simple. We play a more perimeter based game with cousins on the bench. Meaning thornton has more of an opportunity to get the ball where he likes and not have to pass into the post. It just allows him to be more selfish with the ball with less players needing touches when he is on the court.

As for mclemore he is an energy guy who doesnt need set plays yet and he dosent demand the ball making our starting unit more effective.


Agreed, Marcus and Isaiah can take turns chucking shots off the bench. The starting lineup does better with more structured players like Vasquez and McLemore.

Also, with JT on the court our defense is worlds better. Patterson, as hard as he tries, absolutely cannot guard the rim when Cousins is drawn away in a pick and roll. With JT, you have two 6'11 guys who can challenge shots around the rim area. Plus JT and Cousins are able to switch off on PF and C assignments. Can't really do that with PPat
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Post#26 » by Nicky Nix Nook » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:40 pm

I don't understand this talk about lack of plays for Thornton. We've been setting him up for great looks all season. He's just been missing. If anything, I think B-Mac deserves some more looks.

I've been impressed with Malone's offense. There's a lot of movement, a lot of screens off the ball...guys just weren't hitting shots.

The only thing I can remember that I actually had a problem with, is a few games back, we stopped going to Cousins in the post as much. Then, after the game, Malone said, "I've got to do a better job of getting Demarcus open in different ways." Next game, he does.
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Post#27 » by pillwenney » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:24 am

This is what I'm talking about. If Marcus Thornton continues to play like this, we'll have absolutely no trouble moving him.
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Post#28 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:37 am

Nicky Nix Nook wrote:I don't understand this talk about lack of plays for Thornton. We've been setting him up for great looks all season. He's just been missing. If anything, I think B-Mac deserves some more looks.

I've been impressed with Malone's offense. There's a lot of movement, a lot of screens off the ball...guys just weren't hitting shots.

The only thing I can remember that I actually had a problem with, is a few games back, we stopped going to Cousins in the post as much. Then, after the game, Malone said, "I've got to do a better job of getting Demarcus open in different ways." Next game, he does.



Not really. On this team he should be easily getting the 2nd most shots of anyone on the team. He took 19 last night, the rest of the games he's hovered around 8-9 on average and a good chunk of those have been out of the flow of the offense. It's not that easy to get SG's consistent looks when you run pick and roll so much like they did earlier in the year. At least now they are finding some cohesion offensively.
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Post#29 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:39 am

pillwenney wrote:This is what I'm talking about. If Marcus Thornton continues to play like this, we'll have absolutely no trouble moving him.



Then on the other hand, if he plays like this maybe you can move a youth/expirings package highlighted by Ben McLemore instead. Kings might have some options at the deadline.
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Post#30 » by pillwenney » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:40 am

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pillwenney wrote:This is what I'm talking about. If Marcus Thornton continues to play like this, we'll have absolutely no trouble moving him.



Then on the other hand, if he plays like this maybe you can move a youth/expirings package highlighted by Ben McLemore instead. Kings might have some options at the deadline.


Eh, it all depends on what the deal is, but I'd generally rather keep the one that can be a cornerstone. Thornton doesn't have that kind of potential.
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Re: Nets @ Kings (Mclemore gets the start!) 

Post#31 » by ICMTM » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:51 pm

pillwenney wrote:This is what I'm talking about. If Marcus Thornton continues to play like this, we'll have absolutely no trouble moving him.


Hope he gets Nate Robinson in the post season hot!!!
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