Trade Targets

[Trader_Joe]

Though it's early I think we're all starting to get a feel (if we hadn't already) of what this team's short comings are. And while we don't have a ton of trade assets, we still have trade-able players.

Already rumors are starting to come out of Houston (Asik), Denver (Faried) and in a month I'm sure we'll hear many more with FA's able to be traded on December 15th.

I don't see the following guys moved:
Livingston - steal for what he makes and our best PG right now
JJ - because of his contract
PP - for obvious reasons
AK - for obvious reasons
KG - No trade clause
Blatche - can veto a trade
Lopez - the team loves him

I could see these guys moved:
Taylor
Terry
A.Anderson
Toko
Teletovic
Evans
Plumlee
Rights to Bogdanovic

I would love to see Deron moved, but I'm not sure if the FO would or if they would get decent return for him.

So what are some ideas for trade you guys can come up with?

[CalamityX12]

I didn't think it was plausible to initiate the annual Trade Targets thread for this season due to our financial commitments etc...

Wolves made their Dwill 2.0 n Shevd available IIRC.... Shevd is someone I liked for his jet speed and 3pt shooting(at least when I see him he's quite the shooter...) Dwill 2.0 provides the youth, athleticism we lack without comprising size... that could be someone we can use while AK is recovering or has those random back spasms...

I'd take Shumpert off the NYK lol....

Is Sacramento happy with McClemore? lol... too early?

I agree with your suggested available pieces, even with Dwill. Although I'm not jumping off Dwill, cause he needs to step back up again and stop being a pansy IMO, if the right offer came and literally benefits the team both now n later, I'd take it.

[DrazenForThree]

Though it's early I think we're all starting to get a feel (if we hadn't already) of what this team's short comings are. And while we don't have a ton of trade assets, we still have trade-able players.

Already rumors are starting to come out of Houston (Asik), Denver (Faried) and in a month I'm sure we'll hear many more with FA's able to be traded on December 15th.

I don't see the following guys moved:
Livingston - steal for what he makes and our best PG right now
JJ - because of his contract
PP - for obvious reasons
AK - for obvious reasons
KG - No trade clause
Blatche - can veto a trade
Lopez - the team loves him

I could see these guys moved:
Taylor
Terry
A.Anderson
Toko
Teletovic
Evans
Plumlee
Rights to Bogdanovic

I would love to see Deron moved, but I'm not sure if the FO would or if they would get decent return for him.

So what are some ideas for trade you guys can come up with?

I think we will see a trade. because not doing so with this kind of play vs. our expectations will make king look bad and he needs to do whatever to save his job. he cant fire another coach, so a trade is all he can really do.

I think you will see mirza moved. his contract is big enough to get more then a minimum guy and he is clearly out of the rotation. I can see him paired with plumlee or bogs rights but i think more likely he just gets moved on his own for a young swingman 3/4 tweener athlete like say derek williams. that gives us some athleticism and also a guy to fill AK's role when he is out. Plus the wolves love them some white dudes

I'd be all for moving deron williams if we could get a semi-star or star back(rondo, westbrook, etc). But i just dont see a team taking him on for 4-5 years at 20M per with lingering ankle issues. At 29 he isnt a great idea for a rebuilding team, and for a team looking to win why would they want him? if he can win here and make it work why would some team risk a good player and paying dwill to think he can for there team?

I think lopez is more likely to be traded, only because a team is more likely to take him. but even then i think we get .75 cents on the dollar because of his foot, rebounding, and the fact they are assuming his max deal. i think the best we do is a pupu platter of less talented or young guys, which doesnt work since we have a huge roster already and are in win now mode.

but mirza, id be shocked if he isnt moved

[CalamityX12]

Mirza is pretty much a lock to be moved... the mixture of dissatisfaction with minutes, lack of interest from coaches and potential as a big with long range capabilities, he could be moved....

[Trader_Joe]

I think we mainly need to focus on moving D.Will personally.

D.Will, Evans, Toko, Teleovic
for
Lin, Asik, T.Jones, Motiejunas, picks
??

Maybe Denver would be interested?
Lawson + Chandler would be my targets.

Toronto
Lowry + Derozen + Fields (or Gay)

Orlando -
Nelson + Afflalo + picks


Overall I think D.Will is the player that could get us a decent return and has the salary needed to get back plenty of pieces. Lopez could obviously get more, but I think he's our only hope of going anywhere assuming he can continue to progress.

D.Will has become a cancer IMO.
He's uber talented, but rarely plays up to his ability, either because of injury or effort it seems. He's also one of the worst defensive PGs right now.

[Trader_Joe]

Mirza is pretty much a lock to be moved... the mixture of dissatisfaction with minutes, lack of interest from coaches and potential as a big with long range capabilities, he could be moved....

I hope so.. I just don't know who would want him and what we could get.
He is one of our few pieces with a salary large enough to get something decent back in trade.

[CalamityX12]

I think we mainly need to focus on moving D.Will personally.

D.Will, Evans, Toko, Teleovic
for
Lin, Asik, T.Jones, Motiejunas, picks
??

Maybe Denver would be interested?
Lawson + Chandler would be my targets.

Toronto
Lowry + Derozen + Fields (or Gay)

Orlando -
Nelson + Afflalo + picks


Overall I think D.Will is the player that could get us a decent return and has the salary needed to get back plenty of pieces. Lopez could obviously get more, but I think he's our only hope of going anywhere assuming he can continue to progress.

D.Will has become a cancer IMO.
He's uber talented, but rarely plays up to his ability, either because of injury or effort it seems. He's also one of the worst defensive PGs right now.

Honestly, the only deal I liked from your proposals would be Toronto's... Lowry, underrated when healthy IMO, would or should be acceptable with the current starting lineup. Giving me Derozen would wet my pants lol... I've been wanting this guy since his draft year... I'd rather take firsts than Fields but be ok if it happened... but adding Gay would be overkill lol... I'd even send them PP as a thank you gift...

Hell, if Dwill(and throw ins) brings DeRozen n Gay alone, I'll sign that off... and may bring King back to good status for me.

I get what you're saying about Dwill and the tag of cancer but I think thats too strong for right now. I agree his play is nothing short of potty and his attitude doesn't really say other but off the court he hasn't publicly been a cancer IIRC... I agree with the mindset but I think cancer is too strong of a tag for him... right now

[CalamityX12]

Mirza is pretty much a lock to be moved... the mixture of dissatisfaction with minutes, lack of interest from coaches and potential as a big with long range capabilities, he could be moved....

I hope so.. I just don't know who would want him and what we could get.
He is one of our few pieces with a salary large enough to get something decent back in trade.

Yeah, outside of SA because they were the only ones to mention some interest via rumors, I can't think of one... he wanted cleveland right? lol

I believe you're right in adding Mirza with Dwill(as an example) because I don't think Mirza alone will sell, he needs to be "thrown" in with someone or part of a package... plus with him not playing nor the coaches see him as a piece in the offense thus far, his departure won't hurt us or affect how we play.

[DrazenForThree]

I think we mainly need to focus on moving D.Will personally.

im all for moving deron williams, but if we do so we cant do it for just good/solid player and spare parts. we need a high lottery pick or a star/semi-star back. Otherwise is doesnt help short or long term. Lin/Lawson/Lowry/asik those guys help, but we just remain 1st/2nd round fodder.

And with all these trades we remain well over the salary cap. so it doesnt help us cap wise to manuever. and we dont get a young outstanding player/prospect/lotto pick.

[Ronito]

What would we have to trade with Mirza to get Derrick Williams?

I would trade Deron at ease right now but what could we get? If the answer is Kyle Lowry, pass. I also agree that the front office/ownership isn't going to want to trade him.

[CalamityX12]

What would we have to trade with Mirza to get Derrick Williams?

I would trade Deron at ease right now but what could we get? If the answer is Kyle Lowry, pass. I also agree that the front office/ownership isn't going to want to trade him.

Not that it'll happen but

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kpfzecs

We have nothing... no wiggle room... I would like to move Evans but how would Garnett feel?

Terry? unlikely to be touched...

Blatche? he's our only backup C and some may knock on him for his start but Blatche has came through with us before so don't let go of him.. plus does he have a no trade?

AA? tough to swallow if PP or JJ misses time...

[Paradise]

I think Mirza/Taylor for Shved and Derrick Williams is realistic but a deal like that isn't helping our needs.

We aren't moving anybody that is 1 through 13 on the roster until this team is eliminated.

Right now, we need a two way center who isn't a a turnover machine like Blatche.

[vincecarter4pres]

If we could get some kind of 4 team deal where we got LMA, Conley and Wes Matthews for Deron and Brook and whatever other small filler off the roster I'd be ecstatic.

[CalamityX12]

I think Mirza/Taylor for Shved and Derrick Williams is realistic but a deal like that isn't helping our needs.

We aren't moving anybody that is 1 through 13 on the roster until this team is eliminated.

Right now, we need a two way center who isn't a a turnover machine like Blatche.

I would do that deal in a heartbeat... and it helps towards our needs IMO.

Shved, while backup PG isn't a need, Shved can play off ball with Livingston as well as handle the ball during the game if needed. He's really fast with the ball and can go to the rim for the pass or shot, from when I watch him, he was a good 3pt shooter(more on the streak side IIRC)... unless something has changed from the last viewing, thats my image on Shved. Plus could be a theif on the court with his speed and quick hands.

Dwill 2.0 brings instant Athleticism to the group, someone that can run and run fast up n down the court. Plus he's an energy guy with hustle and strong finish ability. His shot is ok but he wouldn't be asked for a lot of pull ups i would think. With AK's random back spasms, I think he can fill in for him plus they've played with each other before so moving AK or Dwill 2.0 to the 4 with other at the 3 shouldn't be downfall...

Now i'm assuming both wolves have no current ailments or significant dropoff from prior opinions

[N Ireland Nets]

What would we have to trade with Mirza to get Derrick Williams?

I would trade Deron at ease right now but what could we get? If the answer is Kyle Lowry, pass. I also agree that the front office/ownership isn't going to want to trade him.

Not that it'll happen but

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kpfzecs

We have nothing... no wiggle room... I would like to move Evans but how would Garnett feel?

Terry? unlikely to be touched...

Blatche? he's our only backup C and some may knock on him for his start but Blatche has came through with us before so don't let go of him.. plus does he have a no trade?

AA? tough to swallow if PP or JJ misses time...

Blatche will earn early bird rights with us after this season therefore he basically has a no trade clause, he can veto any move so he won't be going anywhere.

I'm pissed off with our team, it's going nowhere and doing nothing. So I basically traded our two best assets, D Will and Lopez to bring back pieces which are locked up for at least a few years and still leaves our cap space open in 2016, could actually make us players in 2015 anyway, gives us options. Completely unrealistic but who cares, it's all a bit of fun.

First trade:

Brooklyn sends: Lopez (C), Teletovic (PF), Evans (PF) and Taylor (PG)
Houston sends: Asik (C), Jones (PF), Motiejunas (PF), Lin (PG) and a 2014 1st round pick

Houston starting 5:

Beverley
Harden
Parsons
Howard
Lopez

Second trade:

Brooklyn sends: Williams (PG) and Terry (SG)
Toronto sends: DeRozan (SG), Gay (SF) and a 2014 & 2016 1st round pick

Toronto's starting 5:

Williams
Lowry
Ross
Johnson
Valanciunas


Brooklyn Roster:

Lin / Livingston /
Johnson / DeRozan / Anderson
Pierce / Gay / Kirilenko / Shengelia
Garnett / Jones / Montiejunas
Asik / Blatche / Plumlee

Let me stress, never do i think this would ever happen but i'll try to explain. Lopez would fit nicely with Howard and would work imo. Asik wants to be moved and Houston brings in a stretch four who might work with Howard so Houston could have different looks, go big with Lopez and Howard or small ball if they want.

Toronto wants to start to compete, so they look to bring in a big name to play along side Valanciunas with Ross getting starter minutes at SG instead of playing behind DeRozan. The Raptors get out of Gays contract and trade him before he walks from the Raptors. Brooklyn agrees to the deal so long as Gay agrees to stay for the 2 years left in his deal rather than opt out.

This leaves Brooklyn with no contract past 2015 outside of rookie deals, gives us options going forward with a few picks, huge expirings and potential cap space in 2015 if we choose to use it or let it turn over into 2016 cap for KD.

A bit of fun anyway. Also I'd look to play tons of small ball with Asik playing big minutes and KG backing him up at center with Kirilenko, Gay, Jones and even Montiejunas (who stretches the floor well enough) playing the 4. That roster could be car crash material but at least we wouldn't be waiting until 2016 for things to happen. We'd have picks to move and expiring contracts available earlier than 2015. Plus we're not as athletic with some young guys who could push the pace.

Well that's been might small bit of fun, snap back to reality, we still suck.

[Trader_Joe]

Some interesting ideas here.

I'm open to trading anyone except Pierce and KG (as KG agreed to come and I wouldn't want to separate them) , AK as he took a discount to come here and Lopez.

IMO Lopez is our only hope of going far in the playoffs. If he keeps progressing defensively and is able to play efficiently and aggressively offensively he's a special player. He's also a drafted talent who's been through the worst of it, including one of the worst teams of all time. That said, if someone offers us something we can't refuse then it's another story, but I doubt that happens.

In the meanwhile, I know King isn't making any major moves any time soon, but I'd at least like to see some line up changes. It will make me feel like we made a trade.

[jeff1624]

We can't trade KG (or Blatche) anyways.

Really, our only trade pieces are Mirza, Taylor, Toko and Plumlee. And they aren't going to net us much.

[Trader_Joe]

We can't trade KG (or Blatche) anyways.

Really, our only trade pieces are Mirza, Taylor, Toko and Plumlee. And they aren't going to net us much.

I wonder if KG would accept a deal to go to the Clippers?
If we can reunite him with Doc and route Jordan somewhere for a PF it might make some sense.

[N Ireland Nets]

Some interesting ideas here.

I'm open to trading anyone except Pierce and KG (as KG agreed to come and I wouldn't want to separate them) , AK as he took a discount to come here and Lopez.

IMO Lopez is our only hope of going far in the playoffs. If he keeps progressing defensively and is able to play efficiently and aggressively offensively he's a special player. He's also a drafted talent who's been through the worst of it, including one of the worst teams of all time. That said, if someone offers us something we can't refuse then it's another story, but I doubt that happens.

In the meanwhile, I know King isn't making any major moves any time soon, but I'd at least like to see some line up changes. It will make me feel like we made a trade.

I don't want to trade Lopez at all but he's one of our few desirable trade pieces that could bring back a big haul of assets. I was just throwing ideas out there if I'm being honest.

The best trade partners for us would be teams that are treading water to a certain extent that aren't in full rebuild and want to make a jump to playoff team. I think the Raptors would want to make a big splash for someone like D Will, that's why I added them to the mix.

Teams like Memphis, Toronto, Timberwolves, Atlanta, Detroit, Portland, Dallas, Houston, Denver and the Kings.

All of the above teams would imo, be willing to give up good players to push their team forward for one of our big assets. Now don't get me wrong, I want nothing from Dallas as an example, i'm just setting the stage for ideas for a trade.

We can't trade KG (or Blatche) anyways.

Really, our only trade pieces are Mirza, Taylor, Toko and Plumlee. And they aren't going to net us much.

I heard patience is wearing thin on D Will and if he doesn't step up he isn't untouchable. I'm not saying he will be traded but he was being sold as our franchise guy but if things don't step up King will be looking at making some moves.

[vincecarter4pres]

Something centered around Dwill for Rubio would be too perfect.