Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

There's always a trade the coach and see what the new coach thinks of talent on hand approach.

I like Wittman, but I think guys like Vesely or Rice, Jr. would be real useful for a coach like D'Antoni. I know the season's very young but there are just certain coaches who can't handle certain personalities or players ...

Said this on 11/11. Before any trade make sure the coach is right with his assessment of talent on hand.

Some coach/player clashes lead to lopsided deals either way.
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[LyricalRico]

Smh we couldve traded okafor and our pick for asik...he'll do pretty much everything okafor did and actually had him for more than a yr

From the reports, it seems that HOU wants a largely unprotected pick, so I don't think you can assume that we could have gotten him for the same terms as Gortat. The Rockets might also want a player that can help them this year, unlike the Suns that were/are taking so don't care if Okafor doesn't play at all this year.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Washington sends: Otto Porter, Kevin Seraphin, Jan Vesely
Houston sends: Omer Asik, Terrence Jones, Greg Smith

The Wizards needs more rebounding. Nene's health and Gortat's free agency would each be covered by adding Asik. I think Jones is potentially a strong player off the bench at PF or SF. He's similar to Al Harrington, but can rebound, block shots, and has a scorers' instincts.

Seems to me the Wizards don't lose much letting either Seraphin or Vesely go. Early returns on Otto are dubious. Most of all, it will take him a couple years to be a good NBA player IMO. Jones had the highest PER in D-League and I think he's ready now at just 21 years old. Otto shouldn't blow up before Jones MIGHT. In the mean time, I think Asik would be happy to be a Wizard, and wouldn't prevent Gortat from resigning at all.

Thoughts?

Since this post (11/11) Asik reiterared his request to be traded. Jones now starts. Smith had an injury.

Seems to me Nene to Houston, SOME HOW, might be most feasible now.

Another twist: Wall to Houston, with multiple assets plus Lin and Asik is worth consideration.

When Wall was drafted I liked Cousins the most. Said trade Wall's top pick for picks for Cousins plus Evan Turner OR Favors plus Turner. Hey, I respect John Wall's character, his work ethic, his athleticism, and his potential. I think he is a good player. A very good athlete. But I think he just needs time, better coaching, and the right players around him.

Okafor is being missed.


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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The Wizards should put together an ANYTHING EXCEPT Wall or Beal for Cousins deal....

Or, conversely, Wizards should demand everything from the Kings for Wall to join Boogie in Sacto deal. (Want Wiggins/Parker/Randle much?????)

Sacramento is also 2-6. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Stay positive, and open minded. Turnaround is swift in the NBA for most franchises.

I could help but maybe if they pay me first then they would respect my expertise.



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[LyricalRico]

Another twist: Wall to Houston, with multiple assets plus Lin and Asik is worth consideration.

As frustrating as Wall has been at times, I don't think I'd do that. I also don't like it for Houston since I don't think Wall would flourish next to a guy like Harden that functions as the de facto PG for many possessions.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Yep. Doesn't seem good at all for Houston, LR. But that would be for them to figure out how to make it work out, if possibly.

OTOH, I like John and think he'd win a championship, eventually, with Dwight Howard. Also, Wall has much weight on his shoulders now as a max-deal guy next season. I think his play reflects him trying too hard to be something he IMO is not. He isn't a finisher like D Rose nor is he a virtuoso floor leader/competitor, and guile full winner like Chris Paul. John IMO is a faster Gary Payton, with less will on defense and less trash talk and gamesmanship. John is young and hot headed at times. He wants to be a hero scorer on offense. He doesn't want to "beat up" an opponent like Wade or Kobe do by nature. Wall is not that aggressive IMO. Not yet ....

Wall IMO just needs time, tutelage, and humility to see he still has lots to learn. Unfortunately, oustside of Sam, Flip, and Randy Wittman I do not think he has been taught well.

See next post....

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wizards send Trevor Ariza, Nene, Jan Vesely to the Lakers in exchange for Steve Nash and Pau Gasol.

Free Vesely. He is made for Coach D'Antoni's offense ... AND Jan's hustle on transition defense would be properly utilized. Vesely can finish lobs, he rebounds well, he blocks shots and like Xavier Henry, his career would get new life as a Laker. He and Nene would be terrific Lakers. I get all Laker games free here, too!

Nene didn't speak fluent English when he was at Pete Newell's Big Man Camp, but he was nice when I got his autograph. Dude's countenance has Light in his eyes. Character and charisma guy who I then thought was bound for stardom. I would love for his career to end on a high note with a First Class organization. Mitch Kupchak was a Washington Bullet way back in the day--He already has acquired Butler, Jamison, and Nick Young for LAL.

This idea works for both teams.

Nash can teach Wall. Pau has rings and can play well with Gortat. Frees tons of cap by ridding Nene's deal. Ariza and Vesely would be on a very tough team.

Somebody tell Ted Leonsis I don't think I am God's gift by I am truly blessed by God. How can we get to the point of view of what I can do to help? $$$$$$ is what I need. My advice would make a big difference in future success.

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[LyricalRico]

Wizards send Trevor Ariza, Nene, Jan Vesely to the Lakers in exchange for Steve Nash and Pau Gasol.

I proposed Nene for Nash just to get Wall a mentor, so adding in getting Gasol is a no-brainer. But I'd think LA would rather pair Gasol/Nene to make a playoff run when Kobe gets back. I also wonder if acquiring Gasol would push the Wiz over the luxury tax, which would probably be a deal breaker for Ted.

[hands11]

I know you don't want to hear it but Gay for the giant expiring poo poo platter of Ariza, Vesely, Booker, Seraphin, Singleton, Rice. Think Ernie does it? Would you do it?

(Assuming that it's legal to do that if you have D League players signed simultaneously or something)

I could make so many funny versions of what you wrote...

[Dark Faze]

Nash would probably just retire instead of playing with us. Not because he has anything against DC, but because the only reason he even signed with the Lakers was to remain close to his daughters.

And there's no reason to want to move Wall when his recent poor play as of late can be blamed on back spasms. Accumulating his stats pre-injury, he looked every bit like the player we got at the end of last season. Give him time.

[noworriesinmd]

Nash would probably just retire instead of playing with us. Not because he has anything against DC, but because the only reason he even signed with the Lakers was to remain close to his daughters.

And there's no reason to want to move Wall when his recent poor play as of late can be blamed on back spasms. Accumulating his stats pre-injury, he looked every bit like the player we got at the end of last season. Give him time.

If we could do a Nash for Nene swap...and Nash retires, OMG that would be awesome

[Dark Faze]

Yea, but I don't like the free agent pickings this off-season. I'd rather let Nene expire when guys like Durant and Love are available in free agency. We've just gotta stomach him for a while.

[verbal8]

Nash would probably just retire instead of playing with us. Not because he has anything against DC, but because the only reason he even signed with the Lakers was to remain close to his daughters.

And there's no reason to want to move Wall when his recent poor play as of late can be blamed on back spasms. Accumulating his stats pre-injury, he looked every bit like the player we got at the end of last season. Give him time.

If we could do a Nash for Nene swap...and Nash retires, OMG that would be awesome

Or even a buyout. Given the teams struggles, the Nene contract doesn't make a ton of sense.

[Dat2U]

Nash would probably just retire instead of playing with us. Not because he has anything against DC, but because the only reason he even signed with the Lakers was to remain close to his daughters.

And there's no reason to want to move Wall when his recent poor play as of late can be blamed on back spasms. Accumulating his stats pre-injury, he looked every bit like the player we got at the end of last season. Give him time.

If we could do a Nash for Nene swap...and Nash retires, OMG that would be awesome

That would be the greatest trade ever! Lakers fool themselves into making a half ass playoff run and we strengthen the tank and create a boatload of cap room going forward.

[LyricalRico]

^ Just remember that Nene for Nash was my idea!

[tontoz]

^ Just remember that Nene for Nash was my idea!

So you fully supported the Nene trade yet are looking to dump him with more than 2 years left on his deal. Hmmmm

[LyricalRico]

^ Just remember that Nene for Nash was my idea!

So you fully supported the Nene trade yet are looking to dump him with more than 2 years left on his deal. Hmmmm

First off, at the time I thought that the Nene trade was a good "Plan B". I wanted them to trade McGee earlier, perhaps to move up in the draft the previous summer. That was my preference. But getting Nene instead of either a) overpaying to keep McGee or b) letting McGee go for nothing was a reasonable move at the time IMO.

Second, my idea to trade for Nash had less to do with Nene and more to do with getting a mentor for John Wall. The team is clearly better when Nene is playing, so I'm not trying to "dump him". I was, in the spirit of this thread, exploring an alternative to developing the guy the team has chosen to build their franchise around. No need to read more into it than that.

[nate33]

I never bought into the notion that a "veteran mentor" does all that much good for developing a young player, particularly a young player who has already been in the league for 3 years. I think it's nice to have a veteran "safety net" for a rookie or 2nd year player just so you can take the young guy out when he gets rattled, but I don't think the young player learns much from the veteran that he can't learn from the coaching staff.

So with that in mind, I don't care for the Nene for Nash trade other than it saving a little money. I think we could find other money-saving trades (Nene for Perkins, for instance) in which our trade partner might actually throw in a little incentive.

[tontoz]

Not buying the mentor stuff either. I doubt Nash will be able to teach Wall how to shoot.

It is looking more and more like the best move would have been to let McGee walk for nothing. This team isn't winning anything with Nene which makes his contract look that much worse.

[montestewart]

I can't believe you all so casually dismissing veteran presence, the centerpiece of the Wizards' model for success.