Knicks targeting Rondo

[sol537]

Dallas best Miami with Chandler, dirk and a bunch of great role players (along with a good coach/scheme). There's no reason why Chandler, Melo, and Rondo can't be a "big three" in NY and contend every season they are healthy for the next 4-5 years. That's the kind of team we should be trying to build.

[Mr_Perfect]

Chandler is not a player to be depended on at this point in his career.

[NOOB77]

Don't fool yourselves, people. If we get Rondo, it will be with Wallace and Lee and we will send Shump, Hardaway Jr and probably a pick to get it done. Amare of course but they want take Felton.

It's a steel price but I can see it happening. Chandler Bargs Melo and Rondo is a good core. The key will be getting good role players to surround those guys with. JR smith is not that guy.

Bargnani should be surrounded by Italian models in Italy. He isn't part of any core here.

What is Jeff Greens contract like I think it expires in 2016 I assume we will have to trade Bargs and take back Green also....

Our core will be Melo and Rondo and role players until 2016 when all the Boston scrubs come off the books.

[xNewYorkMadex]

Rondo/Jr Smith/Melo/Bargs/Tyson with a possible Courtney Lee, Gerald Wallace, Kenyon THJR Prigi coming off the bench is a whole lot more better than what we are playing with now. I would rather have Courtney Lee start and have Jr as the 6th man. Lee is a reliable 3 point shooter, usually at a 40% clip.

I hate myself for thinking way too much about acquiring Rondo. I usually ignore the trade chatter, but damn, Rondo is a great piece for this team.

[Marty McFly]

Don't fool yourselves, people. If we get Rondo, it will be with Wallace and Lee and we will send Shump, Hardaway Jr and probably a pick to get it done. Amare of course but they want take Felton.

It's a steel price but I can see it happening. Chandler Bargs Melo and Rondo is a good core. The key will be getting good role players to surround those guys with. JR smith is not that guy.

Do you beat Miami with that core? No. So why are you mortgaging 2015 for a few years of losses in the Conference semi's to Indy or Miami? For once can we have an end game goal that results in a Knicks championship?

What you have planned?

welp, to play devil's advocate, there's always trading melo, specifically to the celtics for their lotto pick. they've done it before for a 31 year old ray allen (ir was it for garnett?) coming off an injury 2006 when they didn't win the oden sweepstakes. they got pierce some help getting allen and garnett (who they got in a coup as we all remember) if they're that adamant in keeping rondo, and if the knicks rather spend next season tanking since we'll have a pick in 2015.

of course, if i were the knicks I'd do it only for the first pick in the draft, since the knicks would likely have to take back their garbage to make it work, and i don't think the celtics would unless its outside of the top three (if its wiggins, randle, and parker they want)

[Boik14]

Don't fool yourselves, people. If we get Rondo, it will be with Wallace and Lee and we will send Shump, Hardaway Jr and probably a pick to get it done. Amare of course but they want take Felton.

It's a steel price but I can see it happening. Chandler Bargs Melo and Rondo is a good core. The key will be getting good role players to surround those guys with. JR smith is not that guy.

Do you beat Miami with that core? No. So why are you mortgaging 2015 for a few years of losses in the Conference semi's to Indy or Miami? For once can we have an end game goal that results in a Knicks championship?

What you have planned?

Honestly I dont have anything specific plan other then its got to involve Melo, Marc Gasol and Kyrie. I think thats the pathway to at least challenging and maybe beating miami. Whether by trade or by FA I think building the core around those 3 and either Timmy Jr or Shump at SG (Probably Timmy since Shump will need a QO in 2015) is something we need to really consider.

[NOOB77]

Felton/Bargs/Amare/Shump and Thjr

-4-

Rondo/Bass/Green/Wallace and Lee

[Boik14]

Do you beat Miami with that core? No. So why are you mortgaging 2015 for a few years of losses in the Conference semi's to Indy or Miami? For once can we have an end game goal that results in a Knicks championship?

What you have planned?

welp, to play devil's advocate, there's always trading melo, specifically to the celtics for their lotto pick. they've done it before for a 31 year old ray allen (ir was it for garnett?) coming off an injury 2006 when they didn't win the oden sweepstakes. they got pierce some help getting allen and garnett (who they got in a coup as we all remember) if they're that adamant in keeping rondo, and if the knicks rather spend next season tanking since we'll have a pick in 2015.

of course, if i were the knicks I'd do it only for the first pick in the draft, since the knicks would likely have to take back their garbage to make it work, and i don't think the celtics would unless its outside of the top three (if its wiggins, randle, and parker they want)

Give this teams history of (stupidly) trading draft picks I would build it around Melo as I mentioned in the last post.

I dont think the Celtics would reject something like Felton, Shumpert, fillers for Rondo if you want to do something now IF they are indeed sold that Shumpert can be a winning piece for them in the future. As much as I like Shumpert, Im ok with moving him because I like Timmy Jr as much.

[duetta]

And to think that Isiah passed over Rondo in order to select Balkman - and that Boston gave up nothing more than cash to acquire him. The irony of it all...

[NOOB77]

Felton/Bargs/Amare/Shump and Thjr

-4-

Rondo/Bass/Green/Wallace and Lee

Rondo/Prigs/Beno
Smith/Lee
Green/Wallace/MWP
Melo/Bass
Chandler/Martin/Aldrich

[ibraheim718]

Last year he fit better. Period. Lin is a scoring guard and so is Felton, however Felton knows to give the ball to Melo and he keeps the TO's low. Linny on the other hand........


I swear Lin is Monte Ellis revised.

Do Not Want with Melo.

Felton averaged like .6 less turnovers a game last year. Not a huge difference.

Monta is a brick machine, Lin plays more efficiently and more under control. He's severely outplaying Ray Felton so far.

If he plays so well and efficiently why does he not start? Don't care about fit. Lin has his short coming as well and I hate that he is painted as some perfect player.

He is better suited as a SG. Now you have you opinion and I have mine. Lin is in the same category with Mayo and Ellis. SG's with some PG skills.

Oh shut up already. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

[Besart19]

I need a quick question as far as the cap space goes speaking of '15. How many stars could we afford if Melo takes the Kobemax or if he takes a Dirk deal?

With Rondo here, we would only be able to sign a 3rd big contract with Kobe Max while two others with the Dirk discount... Also would depend a lot on Rondo and Chandler how much they will ask in 2015... the more probable SL by then would be:

Tyson (8M)
Love (18M)
Melo (15M)
THJ (2M)
Rondo (12M)
Total: 55M which is still under the cap (2015/6 projection is around 62M)

But, if we take Wallace and Lee contracts, then we should say bye by to at least one star... But, still it's a risky to wait until 2015... I dont know frankly which way is better

So basically with a Kobemax:

1 star with Melo

Dirk contract:

2 stars with Melo

But of course it all depends on the money Rondo, Love, etc ask for. Since you broke it down we really have three decisions to make.

1. Go all in for 2015 which means praying Melo signs considerably less so we can have a real big 3.

2. Re-Sign Melo whether it's the Kobemax or less & go after Kevin Love

3. Re-sign Melo for less and go after Rondo, if he doesn't want to take less build with Hardaway Jr, Jeremy Tyler, Iman Shumpert, be mediocre for multiple years and actually build through the draft.

For me it's a no brainer you go for #3 on the basis that you still have options for 2016 and beyond. You'll have Rondo + Melo duo along with re-signing Tyson. If you don't have Melo we'll struggle but there will be talent coming in the future. Not to mention the biggest thing we have going for us is the new CBA will punish teams like the Knicks & the Lakers for their "we don't need the draft, players to come us" mentality.

Irving is FA in 2015... Durant in 2016

[ibraheim718]

Felton/Bargs/Amare/Shump and Thjr

-4-

Rondo/Bass/Green/Wallace and Lee

Can you work the Sniff brothers in that trade somewhere?

[Marty McFly]

welp, to play devil's advocate, there's always trading melo, specifically to the celtics for their lotto pick. they've done it before for a 31 year old ray allen (ir was it for garnett?) coming off an injury 2006 when they didn't win the oden sweepstakes. they got pierce some help getting allen and garnett (who they got in a coup as we all remember) if they're that adamant in keeping rondo, and if the knicks rather spend next season tanking since we'll have a pick in 2015.

of course, if i were the knicks I'd do it only for the first pick in the draft, since the knicks would likely have to take back their garbage to make it work, and i don't think the celtics would unless its outside of the top three (if its wiggins, randle, and parker they want)

Give this teams history of (stupidly) trading draft picks I would build it around Melo as I mentioned in the last post.

I dont think the Celtics would reject something like Felton, Shumpert, fillers for Rondo if you want to do something now IF they are indeed sold that Shumpert can be a winning piece for them in the future. As much as I like Shumpert, Im ok with moving him because I like Timmy Jr as much.

if what the celtics want is a fail of a season, that's the way to go, though i don't think it's necessarily a safe way to go about it. even if they're well within the lottery, that could backfire on them if they're dead set on getting one of the wiggins, parker or randle, and they don't, ainge gets run out of town for something like that.

[NOOB77]

Felton/Bargs/Amare/Shump and Thjr

-4-

Rondo/Bass/Green/Wallace and Lee

Can you work the Sniff brothers in that trade somewhere?

LOL I included everyone else....I figured as long as Woodson and Dolan are here JR will be here....

[TheGarden]

And saying keeping Lin would have led to the same success isn't? Lin needs the ball more than Ray to be effective. Ray played great in the beginning, and end of last season.

Ray handles the ball and does dumb **** all the time. He did last year, too.

Man don't listen to this guy... The end of last season was the Indiana series and Felton sucked.

Here I'll dime you on the only remaining Lin haters.

The real ones.. Jbreezy, GR, TheGarden, and Greenhughes. Ignore them. <sorry guys and gal.

I'm a hater because I said I dont like his fit with the team

[ibraheim718]

Ray handles the ball and does dumb **** all the time. He did last year, too.

Man don't listen to this guy... The end of last season was the Indiana series and Felton sucked.

Here I'll dime you on the only remaining Lin haters.

The real ones.. Jbreezy, GR, TheGarden, and Greenhughes. Ignore them. <sorry guys and gal.

I'm a hater because I said I dont like his fit with the team

Come on man.. you're going to try and con everyone into thinking that's all you said?

Do you want me to post a collection of nonsensical posts about the kid in the appropriate thread (the around the NBA one)?

And as far as fit... you're just flat out wrong. I have proof.. you don't.

[Boik14]

if what the celtics want is a fail of a season, that's the way to go, though i don't think it's necessarily a safe way to go about it. even if they're well within the lottery, that could backfire on them if they're dead set on getting one of the wiggins, parker or randle, and they don't, ainge gets run out of town for something like that.

If you look at the way Ainge built the Celtics last time he likes spare parts. Some teams will use a "clean cap method" to building their team and many NBA teams use kind of a "contract accumulation method" to building a team. Ainge does the later. IF he likes Shumpert as a part he could build around, I dont see why it wouldnt be a possibility since it saves the Celtics significant money. Felton would also decline his 2015 option. No way he will want to be part of a rebuild.

Given that Dolan has the patience of a time bomb I cant ever forsee building around picks until he steps back, changes, etc. If he is here with his current approach, we cant think drafting as anything other then a supplement to established talent is a real possibility. And it sucks because if you threw in a few cheap picks around 2-3 stars it could be a juggernaut given that Dolan, to his credit, has never been cheap. Its probably the best thing i could say about him from a basketball standpoint.

[HarthorneWingo]

Man don't listen to this guy... The end of last season was the Indiana series and Felton sucked.

Here I'll dime you on the only remaining Lin haters.

The real ones.. Jbreezy, GR, TheGarden, and Greenhughes. Ignore them. <sorry guys and gal.

I'm a hater because I said I dont like his fit with the team

Come on man.. you're going to try and con everyone into thinking that's all you said?

Do you want me to post a collection of nonsensical posts about the kid in the appropriate thread (the around the NBA one)?

And as far as fit... you're just flat out wrong. I have proof.. you don't.

Testify, my brother.

[JBreezeNY]

welp, to play devil's advocate, there's always trading melo, specifically to the celtics for their lotto pick. they've done it before for a 31 year old ray allen (ir was it for garnett?) coming off an injury 2006 when they didn't win the oden sweepstakes. they got pierce some help getting allen and garnett (who they got in a coup as we all remember) if they're that adamant in keeping rondo, and if the knicks rather spend next season tanking since we'll have a pick in 2015.

of course, if i were the knicks I'd do it only for the first pick in the draft, since the knicks would likely have to take back their garbage to make it work, and i don't think the celtics would unless its outside of the top three (if its wiggins, randle, and parker they want)

I can't see the Celtics taking Melo but let's say for example they do or any other upcoming lotto team trades for Melo you still need to figure out the PG situation, the backup C situation and finding a way to build with two way players. It's not incredibly hard to do so but it would be a process.

Honestly I dont have anything specific plan other then its got to involve Melo, Marc Gasol and Kyrie. I think thats the pathway to at least challenging and maybe beating miami. Whether by trade or by FA I think building the core around those 3 and either Timmy Jr or Shump at SG (Probably Timmy since Shump will need a QO in 2015) is something we need to really consider.

Well if the plan is to keep Melo you don't necessarily need Kyrie.

Kyrie as good as he was last season is struggling this year and he also has clear flaws which is being more of a floor general rather than a scoring PG with killer crossovers & forced flashy passes. Not to mention his defense needs improvement ASAP. Getting Rondo would be a step in the right direction and from there you can build with Timmy jr. & Jeremy Tyler while still having cap room for a Marc Gasol or really good role players.

Irving is FA in 2015... Durant in 2016

Kyrie is a RFA in 2015 and you read my mind with Durant in 2016 but I highly, highly, highly doubt that happens. I'm sure there are very good players desiring not too expensive contracts in 2016 though.