Knicks targeting Rondo

[TheGarden]

4-way

Rockets- Brandon Bass, Kendrick Perkins
Celtics- Jeremy Lin, Amar'e Stoudemire, 2014 OKC 1st Rounder, 2018 Knicks 1st Rounder
Thunder- Omer Asik
Knicks- Rajon Rondo, Gerald Wallace, Greg Smith

why?

Rockets- Bass fits in great with Houston, he can shoot, defend, rebound and Perkins is a great back up for Dwight who can be very valuable come playoff time when Dwight gets into foul trouble

Celtics- Lin is the young PG and STAT is a huge expiring and the picks aren't exactly too valuable with OKC's being late and the Knicks being in the future but they have a ton of picks and can build up quickly

Thunder- Asik takes that defense to the next level and gives Steven Adams more time to develop. The Thunder upgrade and dont take on additional salary in the process

Knicks- get their PG in Rondo and a couple depth pieces in Wallace and Smith(another one)

long shot but it works, Boston would likely want more

[kane2021]

I tell you one thing. Its very rare to see a great majority on this board in favor of a all in move like this.

[Nono]

If Boston is truly willing to take on STAT's contract that could be the Celtics way of stating take back all our big contracts but find us what we want for Rondo which is likely a young PG and a 1st Round pick

Celtics- Lin, Asik, Stoudemire, Houston 1st Rounder(2015), Knicks 1st Rounder(2018)
Rockets- Shumpert, Lee, Felton
Knicks- Rondo, Wallace, Bass

Celtics get a young PG who can score and dish a little, deal away 2 deals that expire in 2016 for a huge expiring they could use next year and Asik a good defensive big to build with

Rockets need a stopper on the perimeter, Shumpert can play with Harden in the starting unit, slide Parsons up to the stretch 4 with Ray penetrating and kicking or Shumpert can provide energy off the bench for them either way he's needed in a conference that Houston has to match up with Paul, Parker, Curry, Thompson, Westbrook, Conley, etc and Lee who's good depth.

Knicks get their 2nd star and a needed floor general along with Bass who will provide energy, defensive versatility and Wallace who's high energy and can score in transition but otherwise provides nothing much

Now Houston and Boston could do it themselves but I think the Celtics would love the chance to add STAT's expiring next year so go along with all those picks and their rebuild could be complete by the 2015 trade deadline

either way its a long shot

Rockets get seriously hosed in that trade. They trade two good players and a pick in exchange for garbage and a bad contract (Lee). You are kidding yourself if you think Felton is a good "fit" on the Rockets. He is one of the worst guards in the league right now. You are right that Rockets need a perimeter defender, but I doubt they go after Shumpert as there are better players out there.

Come on, be a bit more realistic.

[JBreezeNY]

Just a terrible trade for the Rockets, really

I don't see how it's terrible, they're done hoarding picks, they have Harden, Dwight & Parsons. They get defense (Lee & Shumpert) and also some offense.

[Capn'O]

You know who's a much better fit on the Rockets than Asik?

Andrea Bargnani.

Get Amare out of these scenarios. Nobody is taking a 40 million dollar player that can't play.

[JBreezeNY]

I tell you one thing. Its very rare to see a great majority on this board in favor of a all in move like this.

Indeed, indeed my friend.

Its pretty unanimous right now that the plan should be trade for Rondo or blow it up. A Love/Melo tandem isn't winning us a title.

[Nono]

You know who's a much better fit on the Rockets than Asik?

Andrea Bargnani.

Get Amare out of these scenarios. Nobody is taking a 40 million dollar player that can't play.

If the Celtics take him they can amnesty him.

[Capn'O]

My trade is

Knicks IN: Rondo, Courtney Lee
Knicks OUT: Shump, Bargs, Felton

Rockets IN: Shump, Bargs, Felton
Rockets OUT: Asik, Lin

Boston IN: Asik, Lin
Boston OUT: Rondo, Lee


Rockets: Get a stretch 4 next to Howard/Harden. Unstoppable offense. They start Beverley. Shump is a supersub. Felton goes to the glue factory.

Boston: Get some real pieces next to Green. Ditch Lee's contract.

Knicks: Rondo. Lee is ok. Spacer.

[TheGarden]

If Boston is truly willing to take on STAT's contract that could be the Celtics way of stating take back all our big contracts but find us what we want for Rondo which is likely a young PG and a 1st Round pick

Celtics- Lin, Asik, Stoudemire, Houston 1st Rounder(2015), Knicks 1st Rounder(2018)
Rockets- Shumpert, Lee, Felton
Knicks- Rondo, Wallace, Bass

Celtics get a young PG who can score and dish a little, deal away 2 deals that expire in 2016 for a huge expiring they could use next year and Asik a good defensive big to build with

Rockets need a stopper on the perimeter, Shumpert can play with Harden in the starting unit, slide Parsons up to the stretch 4 with Ray penetrating and kicking or Shumpert can provide energy off the bench for them either way he's needed in a conference that Houston has to match up with Paul, Parker, Curry, Thompson, Westbrook, Conley, etc and Lee who's good depth.

Knicks get their 2nd star and a needed floor general along with Bass who will provide energy, defensive versatility and Wallace who's high energy and can score in transition but otherwise provides nothing much

Now Houston and Boston could do it themselves but I think the Celtics would love the chance to add STAT's expiring next year so go along with all those picks and their rebuild could be complete by the 2015 trade deadline

either way its a long shot

Rockets get seriously hosed in that trade. They trade two good players and a pick in exchange for garbage and a bad contract (Lee). You are kidding yourself if you think Felton is a good "fit" on the Rockets. He is one of the worst guards in the league right now. You are right that Rockets need a perimeter defender, but I doubt they go after Shumpert as there are better players out there.

Come on, be a bit more realistic.

I know I made another move but Felton is in a very bad slump right now, he's not as bad as he's playing but the Knicks need to move on from him

[TheGarden]

My trade is

Knicks IN: Rondo, Courtney Lee
Knicks OUT: Shump, Bargs, Felton

Rockets IN: Shump, Bargs, Felton
Rockets OUT: Asik, Lin

Boston IN: Asik, Lin
Boston OUT: Rondo, Lee


Rockets: Get a stretch 4 next to Howard/Harden. Unstoppable offense. They start Beverley. Shump is a supersub. Felton goes to the glue factory.

Boston: Get some real pieces next to Green. Ditch Lee's contract.

Knicks: Rondo. Lee is ok. Spacer.

I want a big back if we deal Bargs, which I would hate

the thing about Bargs/Dwight vs Bargs/Chandler is Bargs can D the guy around the rim while Chandler can defend on the perimeter and play the pick n roll better

Dwight cant so Houston would get killed from 15 feet

[Capn'O]

My trade is

Knicks IN: Rondo, Courtney Lee
Knicks OUT: Shump, Bargs, Felton

Rockets IN: Shump, Bargs, Felton
Rockets OUT: Asik, Lin

Boston IN: Asik, Lin
Boston OUT: Rondo, Lee


Rockets: Get a stretch 4 next to Howard/Harden. Unstoppable offense. They start Beverley. Shump is a supersub. Felton goes to the glue factory.

Boston: Get some real pieces next to Green. Ditch Lee's contract.

Knicks: Rondo. Lee is ok. Spacer.

I want a big back if we deal Bargs, which I would hate

the thing about Bargs/Dwight vs Bargs/Chandler is Bargs can D the guy around the rim while Chandler can defend on the perimeter and play the pick n roll better

Dwight cant so Houston would get killed from 15 feet

The bolded is why he is the most viable candidate for a major deal. This mofo CAN play.

[JBreezeNY]

My trade is

Knicks IN: Rondo, Courtney Lee
Knicks OUT: Shump, Bargs, Felton

Rockets IN: Shump, Bargs, Felton
Rockets OUT: Asik, Lin

Boston IN: Asik, Lin
Boston OUT: Rondo, Lee


Rockets: Get a stretch 4 next to Howard/Harden. Unstoppable offense. They start Beverley. Shump is a supersub. Felton goes to the glue factory.

Boston: Get some real pieces next to Green. Ditch Lee's contract.

Knicks: Rondo. Lee is ok. Spacer.

They already have a stretch 4 in Donatas Motiejunas which makes me wonder once again why did homie think it's a terrible trade for the Rockets? All Mchale has to do is put Mo-Mo (he's a 7 footer might I add) in the lineup and they straight.

[kane2021]

You know who's a much better fit on the Rockets than Asik?

Andrea Bargnani.

Get Amare out of these scenarios. Nobody is taking a 40 million dollar player that can't play.

The thing is I think we are at a point here where amare must go. He is upset because we will not sacrifice the team for him any further than we already are. Some people feel its best to just go ahead and play him,.. let him break down just to get it over with so we can get back to business. Thats an awful way to feel about something. Thats why im ashamed to admit that I dont disagree with the feeling.

If we remove amare from the trades,.. are you still willing to take on extra years in trade? Kind of sours it for me but im going all in to bring this guy to NY with tyson and melo. We still have to do something about amare though. We cant keep doing this with him.

[Capn'O]

You know who's a much better fit on the Rockets than Asik?

Andrea Bargnani.

Get Amare out of these scenarios. Nobody is taking a 40 million dollar player that can't play.

The thing is I think we are at a point here where amare must go. He is upset because we will not sacrifice the team for him any further than we already are. Some people feel its best to just go ahead and play him,.. let him break down just to get it over with so we can get back to business. Thats an awful way to feel about something. Thats why im ashamed to admit that I dont disagree with the feeling.

If we remove amare from the trades,.. are you still willing to take on extra years in trade? Kind of sours it for me but im going all in to bring this guy to NY with tyson and melo. We still have to do something about amare though. We cant keep doing this with him.

I'm not removing him because I want the guy. I am of the opinion that he's a conversation stopper. Somebody we need to deal with on our terms, for sure. But nobody's doing us that favor.

Would love to be proven wrong here, believe me. I like what Bargs has brought so far.

[Capn'O]

My trade is

Knicks IN: Rondo, Courtney Lee
Knicks OUT: Shump, Bargs, Felton

Rockets IN: Shump, Bargs, Felton
Rockets OUT: Asik, Lin

Boston IN: Asik, Lin
Boston OUT: Rondo, Lee


Rockets: Get a stretch 4 next to Howard/Harden. Unstoppable offense. They start Beverley. Shump is a supersub. Felton goes to the glue factory.

Boston: Get some real pieces next to Green. Ditch Lee's contract.

Knicks: Rondo. Lee is ok. Spacer.

They already have a stretch 4 in Donatas Motiejunas which makes me wonder once again why did homie think it's a terrible trade for the Rockets? All Mchale has to do is put Mo-Mo (he's a 7 footer might I add) in the lineup and they straight.

Bargs is a better one.

[Nyk4lyfe]

Deal would look more like this

Felton, Hardaway Jr, Shump, Amare + 2018 pick

for

Rondo, Lee, Wallace

This.

[Nyk4lyfe]

Just trade Bargnani and Shumpert for Asik, then ship Tyson for Eric Gordon and send him over to Phoenix for Dragic and Frye. Include Hardaway Jr if you have to.

I'd do it although I dont see why Pelicans need Tyson when they have Anthony Davis and I have a hard time sering the Suns take on a big contract when theyre in semi-tank mode (altho Gordon would allow Bledsoe to shift back to natural PG position)

[Mr_Perfect]

Bargnani's value is nowhere near Asik's.

GM's don't make trades because some guy played decent (even though he still can't rebound or defend) for 9 games compared to a 7 year career. Plus he's making $12 million.

[xNewYorkMadex]

Its hard to gauge what the Rockets truly want for Asik. Plus, they dont have much leverage with Asik because Asik wants to be traded, therefore that alone decreases his trade value. The guy isnt even playing anymore. Is he a valuable asset? Of course, but I dont think its as high as it once was.

As for the Celtics, Rondo will obviously be hard to get. His trade value only goes down slightly since he is coming back from an ACL injury. But again, we dont have the assets to acquire him in a one on one trade. There has to be a 3rd team involved. And it doesnt necessarily have to be Houston.

Hypothetically if Celtics were willing to trade Rondo, I see them wanting multiple 1st rounders, a nice B level prospect and they shed all the salaries of Courtney Lee, Gerald Wallace and Keith Bogans (once hes eligible to be traded). The 1st rounders doesnt really have to be guaranteed lottery picks. In most blockbuster trades, 1st round picks being traded look like low value picks (20-27). For example, when we traded for Melo, most people believed those 1st rounders might be of low value, or when the Nets traded for KG and Pierce.

[buffalobulls]

Why would Asik want to come to NY to back up chandler? He wants a trade because he wants to start. No thanks. I would rather have Bargnani.

Houston tried to play Asik and Howard together but it caused spacing issues. We will have the same problem if we get Asik.