Giants Postgame: Still one game out of 1st

[Kerb Hohl]

Keep rolling with Tolzien unless he's terrible. He wasn't nearly as good as some of you suggest (7 QBs that started the season as backups had a better QB rating than him yesterday) but he hasn't been terrible. The pick six I don't blame him too much.

Beat the Vikes and we're in decent shape, but to be honest I think we only have Rodgers the last four games of the season at best. I would be surprised if the Packers allow him to even give it a go by Thanksgiving against those cheap shot mother and so ons.

Splitting hairs here but the late/impressive INTs kinda killed his rating yesterday. I had a lazy RedZone Sunday and from the eye test he looked 1000 times better than guys like Jason Campbell...but I'll agree with the not terrible/not that good assessment.

[JimmyTheKid]

At some point, McCarthy needs to out-coach an opposing Head Coach. He was flat out bad yesterday. Pretty much wasted the entire first half with his play calling on offense. The fake punt was all kinds of predictable after accepting the penalty. He talked all week about being comfortable using the entire play book with Tolzien and then he predictably called the first few series intimidated, scared, and afraid. Run, run, pass, punt. Run, run, pass, punt. Pass, first down. Pass, first down. Pass, first down. 1st and goal... run, run, pass, FG. Nice 1st quarter, Mac. How about waving the white flag on 4th and 1 in the 4th quarter down two scores? They get a first down, they're still in the game. If you get shut down on 4th and 1, so be it. If you lose by 28 instead of 14, whats the difference? Give your team a chance to win. They absolutely had to go for it there. But I wasn't surprised to see McCarthy call for the punt unit.

[Ron Swanson]

At some point, McCarthy needs to out-coach an opposing Head Coach. He was flat out bad yesterday. Pretty much wasted the entire first half with his play calling on offense. The fake punt was all kinds of predictable after accepting the penalty. He talked all week about being comfortable using the entire play book with Tolzien and then he predictably called the first few series intimidated, scared, and afraid. Run, run, pass, punt. Run, run, pass, punt. Pass, first down. Pass, first down. Pass, first down. 1st and goal... run, run, pass, FG. Nice 1st quarter, Mac. How about waving the white flag on 4th and 1 in the 4th quarter down two scores? They get a first down, they're still in the game. If you get shut down on 4th and 1, so be it. If you lose by 28 instead of 14, whats the difference? Give your team a chance to win. They absolutely had to go for it there. But I wasn't surprised to see McCarthy call for the punt unit.

It was pretty unbelievable. The problem wasn't because it was predictable though. I thought it was a decently executed play and I could live with the consequences had we been down by two scores. The problem is we weren't, we were down by one score, had the opportunity to pin them down inside their own 20 and play field position.

What does Mike do? Takes an unnecessary, stupid risk that backfires and gives the Giants excellent field position after he does nothing but call the most vanilla, predictable offensive gameplan the first two quarters. The Giants go on to make it a two score lead that essentially ices the game. Great Job Mike

[chuckleslove]

MM has a pretty good track record of when he uses things like the fake punt, fake field goal, onside kicks, etc... I think it is a pretty stupid thing to be overly critical of considering his overall track record on those has to be above average.

We were one block away from making that play work too, I think it was Ryan Taylor who couldn't hold his block and let the guy make the tackle. It was a well drawn out play, well executed other than one player and I don't think it was predictable at all considering 95% or more of the time that is a punt even after accepting the penalty, it is not uncommon at all for a team to accept a 5 yard penalty and re-kick if the first kick was just average or below average.

[ReddRum]

Did he make stupid decisions? Or was he put in horrible positions to succeed early in the game by the team constantly trying to run the ball against an 8 or 9 man box and putting him in 3rd and long?

In the first half, (before the 2 minute drills -- because those were all passes) he was 3/4 for 96 yards on non 3rd down throws. Perhaps MM could've done that more than 4 times?

The game left me feeling like they didn't put Tolzien in a place to succeed. They put him in a place to hopefully-not-lose.

Yeah, the playcalling was horrible. Air it out when you have one on one matchups... he was hitting JJ, Jordy, JB and the others when they were open and had some big plays. Tolz has the distance on that arm, I'd rather they pass to set up the run.

When is the play-calling ever good?? McCarthy is awful! I have never seen a coach call more plays for 5 yard passes and screens on 3rd and long in my life. He was way too conservative this game - Tolzien's best passes of the day were the deep balls. The pick 6 was made on a short scrub pass - enough said.

[shish]

I have never seen a coach call more plays for 5 yard passes and screens on 3rd and long in my life.

You clearly have not seen Steelers play in the last two years.

[jtf150]

After losing 3 in a row, this next game is a must win game and the defense needs to show up!

[chuckleslove]

I have never seen a coach call more plays for 5 yard passes and screens on 3rd and long in my life.

You clearly have not seen Steelers play in the last two years.

Or any team in the entire NFL.

[ReddRum]

I have never seen a coach call more plays for 5 yard passes and screens on 3rd and long in my life.

You clearly have not seen Steelers play in the last two years.

Or any team in the entire NFL.

Huh? There are more than a handful of coaches in the NFL that actually draw up plays that get the ball to the 1st down marker on 3rd and long and McCarthy is not one of them. His conservative play calling is obnoxious.

[humanrefutation]

You do realize that when McCarthy draws his plays, he includes several route options, right? So, there are at least a couple receivers going past the sticks, and a least one underneath option. You need that underneath option, because it forces a zone/man to cover someone shorter, opening up passing lanes to the recievers down the field. Plus, there is always the chance that the underneath option breaks a tackle and gets to the sticks, which our receivers have always been great at doing.

Where the pass goes is entirely up to the QB.

So, I don't know why you're blaming MM, but this **** isn't Madden.

[chuckleslove]

You do realize that when McCarthy draws his plays, he includes several route options, right? So, there are at least a couple receivers going past the sticks, and a least one underneath option. You need that underneath option, because it forces a zone/man to cover someone shorter, opening up passing lanes to the recievers down the field. Plus, there is always the chance that the underneath option breaks a tackle and gets to the sticks, which our receivers have always been great at doing.

Where the pass goes is entirely up to the QB.

So, I don't know why you're blaming MM, but this **** isn't Madden.

Just look at his entire posting history here on the Packers board, he absolutely hates MM, I'm not sure why but he blames him for everything that ever goes wrong with the Packers and I doubt he has ever given him credit for one single thing. I wasn't even going to bother responding to his post because it is very obvious he doesn't watch other teams because there are numerous plays by every single team in the NFL every week where they throw a pass short of the first down marker on third down.