Knicks targeting Rondo

[nyc1695]

It took a healthy Rondo + 3 future HOF's to win a championship. Now a healthy Rondo + Melo run by an incompetent management that puts style over substance can somehow become a contender?

Rondo now is much better than Rondo when they won the chip and Tyson Chandler is way better than Perkins and Melo has potential to put together a post season like Pierce's...it's not a definitive championship team but they're obviously in the conversation with Rondo/Melo/Chandler as a core.

Chandler will be a part of any Rondo deal that has a minor chance of happening, especially since we have no picks to trade.

Even though Rondo is obviously better than Chandler you'd sort of have to believe that's a deal breaker. At that point you have to go after Dragic or someone else. There's no point in filling one need if you're gonna tear a GIANT hole at another position. You can't win a title with Bargs starting at the 5 and Cole Aldrich getting major minutes.

[Rasho Brezec]

Rondo now is much better than Rondo when they won the chip and Tyson Chandler is way better than Perkins and Melo has potential to put together a post season like Pierce's...it's not a definitive championship team but they're obviously in the conversation with Rondo/Melo/Chandler as a core.

Chandler will be a part of any Rondo deal that has a minor chance of happening, especially since we have no picks to trade.

Even though Rondo is obviously better than Chandler you'd sort of have to believe that's a deal breaker. At that point you have to go after Dragic or someone else. There's no point in filling one need if you're gonna tear a GIANT hole at another position. You can't win a title with Bargs starting at the 5 and Cole Aldrich getting major minutes.

You trade Bargnani and whatever you have left for Asik or Perkins.

[mpharris36]

It took a healthy Rondo + 3 future HOF's to win a championship. Now a healthy Rondo + Melo run by an incompetent management that puts style over substance can somehow become a contender?

Rondo now is much better than Rondo when they won the chip and Tyson Chandler is way better than Perkins and Melo has potential to put together a post season like Pierce's...it's not a definitive championship team but they're obviously in the conversation with Rondo/Melo/Chandler as a core.

Chandler will be a part of any Rondo deal that has a minor chance of happening, especially since we have no picks to trade.

I have seen Bargs at Center and I realize this is his best position. If Tyson has to go in a 3 team trade to acquire picks along with Shumpert and Amare contract I still don't mind the deal.

Rondo
JR Smith
MWP
Melo
Bargs

Pablo
THjr
Wallace
Bass
Kmart

would be your 10 man rotation

murry, aldrich, tyler, beno, lee

I think that team is better then are current team.

[NOOB77]

I could see a deal where Chandler goes to a third team. I would think Chandler would be too good to go to the Celtics may hurt there chances.

[Knicks_Fan2]

The trading of Tyson is a creative way to get Rondo. We obviously murder our defense but it makes sense given that we likely won't resign him after next season anyway. The obvious issue is getting a pick back.

[Rasho Brezec]

I don't think you need to get a pick when trading Tyson. Swapping him for someone like Eric Gordon and sending him to Boston could be enticing enough for them.

[j4remi]

It took a healthy Rondo + 3 future HOF's to win a championship. Now a healthy Rondo + Melo run by an incompetent management that puts style over substance can somehow become a contender?

Rondo now is much better than Rondo when they won the chip and Tyson Chandler is way better than Perkins and Melo has potential to put together a post season like Pierce's...it's not a definitive championship team but they're obviously in the conversation with Rondo/Melo/Chandler as a core.

Chandler will be a part of any Rondo deal that has a minor chance of happening, especially since we have no picks to trade.

If they're dealing with us, it's not to compete this year. Chandler would make them better without giving them any youth. Best case scenario for them, Chandler to a third team for assets but I don't see why they would want Chandler otherwise.

[Nyk4lyfe]

I have no problem moving pieces to get Rondo. If we get to keep Chandler/Melo/Rondo trio, it is fine to take Wallace and other stuff they can throw at us. I wouldn't mind giving up Shump/Hardaway package for him, but we shouldn't include an unprotected 2018 pick. You never know where the team will be 5 years from now. It is simply too risky. If they do have to include a pick, it should be top five protected.

I think we can salvage a very decent team around those three. You would essentially need a bunch of shooters. Not that it will be easy to get them, but I can see us being able to do that down the road.

Let's say we complete a deal like this: Bargnani/Felton/Shump/Hardaway plus a protected pick for Wallace/Rondo. My guess is Boston would prefer this deal (if they do want a deal indeed) instead of a Amare centered deal as these four can actually play. If they would rather have Amare instead and add Lee to the deal, it is even better for us.

On a deal like that we would be left with Chandler/Melo/Artest/Smith/Rondo with Pablo/Udrih/KMart/Amare/Wallace off the bench. We would need additional moves down the road as it is a piss poor shooting squad, but it is not a bad start. We would have Amare's expiring next year and 3 million exception essentially. The year after we would have Wallace's expiring. I don't necessarily think you can get stars for those contracts, but we can definitely find some useful pieces.

I actually think a deal could be done with Bargs and Amare in it.....

Felton/Bargs/Amare/Shump and Thjr and a future first.

-4-

Rondo/Bass/Green/Wallace and Lee

This works money wise and Boston would pretty much dump all there bad contracts for them to expire a year earlier.


Rondo/Prigs/Beno
Smith/Lee
Green/Wallace/MWP
Melo/Bass
Chandler/Martin/Cole/Tyler

So they're giving us both of their main pieces? Getting Rondo already seems impossible. Jeff Green is pushing it lol

[NOOB77]

I have no problem moving pieces to get Rondo. If we get to keep Chandler/Melo/Rondo trio, it is fine to take Wallace and other stuff they can throw at us. I wouldn't mind giving up Shump/Hardaway package for him, but we shouldn't include an unprotected 2018 pick. You never know where the team will be 5 years from now. It is simply too risky. If they do have to include a pick, it should be top five protected.

I think we can salvage a very decent team around those three. You would essentially need a bunch of shooters. Not that it will be easy to get them, but I can see us being able to do that down the road.

Let's say we complete a deal like this: Bargnani/Felton/Shump/Hardaway plus a protected pick for Wallace/Rondo. My guess is Boston would prefer this deal (if they do want a deal indeed) instead of a Amare centered deal as these four can actually play. If they would rather have Amare instead and add Lee to the deal, it is even better for us.

On a deal like that we would be left with Chandler/Melo/Artest/Smith/Rondo with Pablo/Udrih/KMart/Amare/Wallace off the bench. We would need additional moves down the road as it is a piss poor shooting squad, but it is not a bad start. We would have Amare's expiring next year and 3 million exception essentially. The year after we would have Wallace's expiring. I don't necessarily think you can get stars for those contracts, but we can definitely find some useful pieces.

I actually think a deal could be done with Bargs and Amare in it.....

Felton/Bargs/Amare/Shump and Thjr and a future first.

-4-

Rondo/Bass/Green/Wallace and Lee

This works money wise and Boston would pretty much dump all there bad contracts for them to expire a year earlier.


Rondo/Prigs/Beno
Smith/Lee
Green/Wallace/MWP
Melo/Bass
Chandler/Martin/Cole/Tyler

So they're giving us both of their main pieces? Getting Rondo already seems impossible. Jeff Green is pushing it lol

If the Celtics do this deal it is about cutting payroll and making there current team worse. Jeff Green is not in there long term plans if they go into full rebuild mode. No need to get role players around for that. This would get his salary off the books a year early and help tank.

[j4remi]

I don't think you need to get a pick when trading Tyson. Swapping him for someone like Eric Gordon and sending him to Boston could be enticing enough for them.

If we could get Gordon for Chandler and then pull a Dragic deal...I'd rather do that than deal so much for Rondo.

[Rasho Brezec]

I don't think you need to get a pick when trading Tyson. Swapping him for someone like Eric Gordon and sending him to Boston could be enticing enough for them.

If we could get Gordon for Chandler and then pull a Dragic deal...I'd rather do that than deal so much for Rondo.

I'd rather have Dragic + Asik then just Rondo but that's not how the FO thinks.

[Jay10]

could the knicks send tyson to the clippers for deandre?

[GONYK]

could the knicks send tyson to the clippers for deandre?

Why would we do that?

[moabu08]

Every single bad decision this franchise has made is compounding at this very moment. We have no draft picks because we traded them all away. We have no assets on the roster except for Shump who apparently had secret off season surgery? Oh and the one asset we decided to let walk, Lin, may get traded for the player we covet, Rondo. Oh the irony. Not only that we cant even sign any one to make the roster better because of the awful contract we gave Stoudemire.

Honestly the best move would be trade Melo and start over. If we trade for Rondo and give away picks, rondo, and take on additional contracts we will be in the same boat in a few years that we are now. The front office continues to mortgage the future in hopes of mediocrity for today.

Rondo and Carmelo is mediocrity? They are both in their prime for the next 3-5 years and well worth the risk.
A team of Rondo, Carmelo and fillers is a great foundation. Rondo is the perfect player for Carmelo.

That team will not win a championship. And Id rather not mortgage the future AGAIN to make it happen. Build the right way. Through the draft the slow and painful way.

[NOOB77]

Every single bad decision this franchise has made is compounding at this very moment. We have no draft picks because we traded them all away. We have no assets on the roster except for Shump who apparently had secret off season surgery? Oh and the one asset we decided to let walk, Lin, may get traded for the player we covet, Rondo. Oh the irony. Not only that we cant even sign any one to make the roster better because of the awful contract we gave Stoudemire.

Honestly the best move would be trade Melo and start over. If we trade for Rondo and give away picks, rondo, and take on additional contracts we will be in the same boat in a few years that we are now. The front office continues to mortgage the future in hopes of mediocrity for today.

Rondo and Carmelo is mediocrity? They are both in their prime for the next 3-5 years and well worth the risk.
A team of Rondo, Carmelo and fillers is a great foundation. Rondo is the perfect player for Carmelo.

That team will not win a championship. And Id rather not mortgaged the future AGAIN to make it happen. Build the right way. Through the draft the slow and painful way.

WHAT FUTURE?

[Jay10]

could the knicks send tyson to the clippers for deandre?

Why would we do that?

[j4remi]

I don't think you need to get a pick when trading Tyson. Swapping him for someone like Eric Gordon and sending him to Boston could be enticing enough for them.

If we could get Gordon for Chandler and then pull a Dragic deal...I'd rather do that than deal so much for Rondo.

I'd rather have Dragic + Asik then just Rondo but that's not how the FO thinks.

What deals are you thinking for those two? It seems like a realistic option and I'd like it but that's probably the two least marketable names they can get so you know it ain't going down like that.

[seren]

The trading of Tyson is a creative way to get Rondo. We obviously murder our defense but it makes sense given that we likely won't resign him after next season anyway. The obvious issue is getting a pick back.

Why don't we resign him? He still has five good years in him and it is not like it is easy to find a center at his level.

[seren]

Are people seriously convinced Bargnani can play full time center on a winning team? I personally am not. If we are adding Chandler to any deal, we better not give up too much else out of him and get at least a serviceable center back. By serviceable I mean Asik.

[NOOB77]

Because I was bored and didn't want to start my work day....

Knicks Out: STAT, Chandler, Bargs, Felton, Shump, THjr and 2018 lotto protect 1st
Knicks In: McGee, Rondo, Wallace, Green, Bass, Lee

Boston Out: Rondo, Wallace, Green, Bass, Lee
Boston In: Fournier, Faried, STAT, Bargs, Felton, THjr, 2014 1st and 2018 lotto protect 1st

Nuggets Out: McGee, Faried, Fournier and NYK 1st
Nuggets In: Chandler and Shump