'14 Draft Thread - Now With a Poll: VOTE OR DIE.

[Mikeylikesit]

Sorry if this has been talked about before, but I thought Harrison was looking like a top 10 pick before the season? Is there any particular reason why he's fell on draft boards?

Yeah, he isn't very good right now. He isn't running that team and he hasn't been aggressive at all. The only 2 UK freshman playing well are Randle and Young.

[SupremeHustle]

The "raw and athletic" label on Wiggins is ridiculous. He's not Michael Jordan, but to say he's "raw" is ridiculous. He doesn't have one killer offensive move like Parker's jumpshot, but he is ridiculously skilled just about every area on the court.

I'm just going to let you speak for me on behalf of Wiggins. Seems like we're on the same page.

[emunney]

Going to see Jabari first hand in an hour. I'll try to sell him on a little city with lake and river if I get the chance.

[Ron Swanson]

So was Greg Oden.

If you think Wiggins is going to be Durant, you aren't playing the odds. There are guys that are super athletic and raw, like Wiggins, who don't amount to much. Gerald Green comes to mind. I'm not saying Wiggins is going to be bad but I hardly doubt he is a top 2 player in the league. I think the GM on Parker said it best. I see no killer instinct from Wiggins, from the games I watched. The other 2 have it.

I'm sorry, but the "killer instinct" is one of the most tiring and overused cliches in sports. For years, the biggest knock on LeBron was that he didn't have a "killer instinct", even though most of us knew the entire time that it was just the 24-hour sports media trying to drum up controversy.

What makes Jabari Parker have more "killer instinct" than Andrew Wiggins after not even playing a quarter of a college season? Because he's a better jump-shooter? Because his style of play is more physical? I'm open to debating which is the better prospect between the two, but whether or not a guy has the "killer instinct" is entirely subjective and usually something that players don't develop until well into their professional careers.

[Baddy Chuck]

No killer instinct like when he calmly drains a turn around jumper and took it right to Parker's face on a fastbreak to seal the win for Kansas.

[emunney]

FWIW, I wouldn't characterize Wiggins as "ridiculously skilled", that's too far in the other direction. His strength is his really his awareness. If he was more skilled he'd be dominating already. If his skills develop the right way, he could be Grant Hill.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Going to see Jabari first hand in an hour. I'll try to sell him on a little city with lake and river if I get the chance.

Best of luck. The future of the bucks in milwaukee entirely depends on u, no pressure...

[emunney]

took it right to Parker's face on a fastbreak to seal the win for Kansas.

Well, that's definitely not what happened.

[whatthe_buck!?]

FWIW, I wouldn't characterize Wiggins as "ridiculously skilled", that's too far in the other direction. His strength is his really his awareness. If he was more skilled he'd be dominating already. If his skills develop the right way, he could be Grant Hill.

What's your ceiling comp on Parker? Oh and btw we all expect a full scouting report on Parker later tonight...

[Baddy Chuck]

took it right to Parker's face on a fastbreak to seal the win for Kansas.

Well, that's definitely not what happened.

Details smetails . He turns around and sees Parker trailing and still throws it down with ease.

Wiggins sealed that game for Kansas over the "killer instinct" of Parker.

[SupremeHustle]

Going to see Jabari first hand in an hour. I'll try to sell him on a little city with lake and river if I get the chance.

Ask him for Wiggins' phone number instead.

[emunney]

FWIW, I wouldn't characterize Wiggins as "ridiculously skilled", that's too far in the other direction. His strength is his really his awareness. If he was more skilled he'd be dominating already. If his skills develop the right way, he could be Grant Hill.

What's your ceiling comp on Parker? Oh and btw we all expect a full scouting report on Parker later tonight...

Gervin and OK.

[Mikeylikesit]

took it right to Parker's face on a fastbreak to seal the win for Kansas.

Well, that's definitely not what happened.

Details smetails . He turns around and sees Parker trailing and still throws it down with ease.

Wiggins sealed that game for Kansas over the "killer instinct" of Parker.

Wow, Wiggins got another fast break basket. I guess he has all the skills in the world then. Only 4 of his 22 points came from beyond 2 feet. I wonder if that is going to consistently work in the NBA as a SF that doesn't have LeBron's body? And Perry Ellis was much more of a factor than Wiggins was for Kansas.

[Mikeylikesit]

So was Greg Oden.

If you think Wiggins is going to be Durant, you aren't playing the odds. There are guys that are super athletic and raw, like Wiggins, who don't amount to much. Gerald Green comes to mind. I'm not saying Wiggins is going to be bad but I hardly doubt he is a top 2 player in the league. I think the GM on Parker said it best. I see no killer instinct from Wiggins, from the games I watched. The other 2 have it.

I'm sorry, but the "killer instinct" is one of the most tiring and overused cliches in sports. For years, the biggest knock on LeBron was that he didn't have a "killer instinct", even though most of us knew the entire time that it was just the 24-hour sports media trying to drum up controversy.

What makes Jabari Parker have more "killer instinct" than Andrew Wiggins after not even playing a quarter of a college season? Because he's a better jump-shooter? Because his style of play is more physical? I'm open to debating which is the better prospect between the two, but whether or not a guy has the "killer instinct" is entirely subjective and usually something that players don't develop until well into their professional careers.

Jabari Parker calls for the ball and takes the game into his own hands. Wiggins relies of fast break baskets and for Perry Ellis to do all the work in the half court offense.

If you were the touted "best prospect since KD" (which is complete BS because Oden was clearly a better prospect) would you be passive or would you call for the ball?

[Baddy Chuck]

Jabari Parker calls for the ball and takes the game into his own hands.

Yeah, that's what happened in the Kansas game for sure. He didn't get a shot attempt or free throw attempt probably 5 minutes prior to him fouling out.

[emunney]

He was aggressive in the second half posting up Thornton repeatedly. It was the smart play, I'm not going to downgrade him for taking advantage of the situation. That's what good players do. He's probably not going to get many opportunities to post up 6-2 guys in the pros, but that mindset and approach is going to translate.

[machu46]

How long would it take for a team of

Exum
Wiggins
Parker
Randle
Embiid

to win an NBA Championship?

The sad thing is they probably wouldn't, at least for 5-6 years
and one of them alone is expected to be our savior

Sounds similar to what OKC did, except they added their top prospects a year after each other. And with the exception of maybe Embiid, all of those guys are bigger prospects than RWB and Harden. And Wiggins is a bigger prospect than Durant.
3-4 years.

So was Greg Oden.

If you think Wiggins is going to be Durant, you aren't playing the odds. There are guys that are super athletic and raw, like Wiggins, who don't amount to much. Gerald Green comes to mind. I'm not saying Wiggins is going to be bad but I hardly doubt he is a top 2 player in the league. I think the GM on Parker said it best. I see no killer instinct from Wiggins, from the games I watched. The other 2 have it.

While I agree that you definitely aren't playing the odds, I think Wiggins is a pretty sure thing too. His game isn't refined yet like Randle and Parker's, and yet he's still playing at their level. And he's lightyears ahead of both of them on the defensive end.

Also, watching him so far this year, I don't see a lack of a killer instinct. Against Duke, he shut down Parker in the 2nd half, and when he had the step back jumper and the dunk to seal it, all of his emotions that had been building up came to the surface. I like the way that he plays a lot actually. For me, Wiggins and Randle are 1A and 1B, and then Parker is #3.

[machu46]

Sorry if this has been talked about before, but I thought Harrison was looking like a top 10 pick before the season? Is there any particular reason why he's fell on draft boards?

He just hasn't done much yet. I never bought into his hype to begin with, but he hasn't really shown anything this year to suggest that he should be a top 10 pick.

[machu46]

FWIW, I wouldn't characterize Wiggins as "ridiculously skilled", that's too far in the other direction. His strength is his really his awareness. If he was more skilled he'd be dominating already. If his skills develop the right way, he could be Grant Hill.

Sorry to post so many replies in a row. Trying to catch up lol.

But I like this post. Wiggins seems to have a really good awareness on the court of when to cut, when to drive, etc. He's still a work in progress, but his awareness and athleticism are enough for him to be one of the best players in the country already even though he's an average at best ball-handler, passer, and shooter.

[machu46]

So was Greg Oden.

If you think Wiggins is going to be Durant, you aren't playing the odds. There are guys that are super athletic and raw, like Wiggins, who don't amount to much. Gerald Green comes to mind. I'm not saying Wiggins is going to be bad but I hardly doubt he is a top 2 player in the league. I think the GM on Parker said it best. I see no killer instinct from Wiggins, from the games I watched. The other 2 have it.

I'm sorry, but the "killer instinct" is one of the most tiring and overused cliches in sports. For years, the biggest knock on LeBron was that he didn't have a "killer instinct", even though most of us knew the entire time that it was just the 24-hour sports media trying to drum up controversy.

What makes Jabari Parker have more "killer instinct" than Andrew Wiggins after not even playing a quarter of a college season? Because he's a better jump-shooter? Because his style of play is more physical? I'm open to debating which is the better prospect between the two, but whether or not a guy has the "killer instinct" is entirely subjective and usually something that players don't develop until well into their professional careers.

Jabari Parker calls for the ball and takes the game into his own hands. Wiggins relies of fast break baskets and for Perry Ellis to do all the work in the half court offense.

If you were the touted "best prospect since KD" (which is complete BS because Oden was clearly a better prospect) would you be passive or would you call for the ball?

I don't think letting the game come to him is a knock on Wiggins personally. You make it sound like Parker demands the ball every time down while Wiggins just tries to score if he happens to get the ball in his hands. They're scoring about the same amount per game and Wiggins is doing it with 2 or 3 other potential 1st round picks on his team. I think Wiggins is doing just fine.