Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1?

[Bubstubbler]

A couple of times he put the ball on the floor, and both times finished successfully. On one he did a sort of Euro side-step with a nifty finish, another was a sort of reverse layup.

Gif of the latter:

[Dame Lizard]

I've now converted from the Wiggins #1 to the Parker #1 bandwagon. Parker's scoring is a thing of beauty, and he does other things well as well. Assuming he'll get drafted by a bad team, I can seriously see him putting up 20 ppg in his rookie season.

Now only time will tell if this draft class becomes legendary, but one thing is for sure, the 2014 NBA draft night will shape up to potentially be the most exciting ever (modern technology and social media has helped draft nights to become much more epic in my eyes). If things keep up at this pace, there'll be so many potential scenarios. Think of the 2013 draft (no-one really had a clue what was going to happen)....... but with 4 or 5 potential super-star players, instead of 0.

Don't get me wrong, there's the chance this draft class could fizzle out and disappoint, but as it stands, the superstar POTENTIAL cannot be denied.

[noobcake]

A couple of times he put the ball on the floor, and both times finished successfully. On one he did a sort of Euro side-step with a nifty finish, another was a sort of reverse layup.

Gif of the latter:

Wow! I don't see any big in the NBA doing that.

Embiid, whose father was a professional team handball player, grew up playing volleyball and soccer in his central-western African home country of Cameroon

[Hoopstar23]

A couple of times he put the ball on the floor, and both times finished successfully. On one he did a sort of Euro side-step with a nifty finish, another was a sort of reverse layup.

Gif of the latter:

My same thoughts this guy is untapping his potential and if hes doing that this guy could really be Hakeem

[ManualRam]

off topic, but god would you look at how the new rule changes are forcing these kids to play post defense?
no arm bar = no resistance. the kids who make it to the next level will have to learn how to play defense all over again. thx ncaa.

anyways, embiid had a great game. he flashes things that kids who've only played a couple of yrs of basketball really shouldn't, like his touch and patience with the ball. he also does show plenty of things that are expected from kids with his level of experience too. he's a mixed bag and a major project. too early for any comparisons imo. the rate at which he has learned the game has been impressive though.

[Knighthonor]

off topic, but god would you look at how the new rule changes are forcing these kids to play post defense?
no arm bar = no resistance. the kids who make it to the next level will have to learn how to play defense all over again. thx ncaa.

anyways, embiid had a great game. he flashes things that kids who've only played a couple of yrs of basketball really shouldn't, like his touch and patience with the ball. he also does show plenty of things that are expected from kids with his level of experience too. he's a mixed bag and a major project. too early for any comparisons imo. the rate at which he has learned the game has been impressive though.

are they really getting rid of charge?

[LeonJordanJr24]

A couple of times he put the ball on the floor, and both times finished successfully. On one he did a sort of Euro side-step with a nifty finish, another was a sort of reverse layup.

Gif of the latter:

My same thoughts this guy is untapping his potential and if hes doing that this guy could really be Hakeem

Whoa that play looked just like Hakeem!!!! Sheesh!

[ManualRam]

off topic, but god would you look at how the new rule changes are forcing these kids to play post defense?
no arm bar = no resistance. the kids who make it to the next level will have to learn how to play defense all over again. thx ncaa.

anyways, embiid had a great game. he flashes things that kids who've only played a couple of yrs of basketball really shouldn't, like his touch and patience with the ball. he also does show plenty of things that are expected from kids with his level of experience too. he's a mixed bag and a major project. too early for any comparisons imo. the rate at which he has learned the game has been impressive though.

are they really getting rid of charge?

no, but it is much harder to draw a charge in the college game compared to the nba now. the ncaa made the decision to give the big advantage to the offensive player where the situation has to be perfect in order for the defender to get the call.

that wasn't what i was alluding to specifically though. just look at that post defense in the gif. that is how it is being taught now in the ncaa as an adjustment to the new rules. often you'll see that when a player catches the ball in the post, the defender will actually step back and give a cushion with their hands raised. that is because it is ILLEGAL to put a hand on a defender or even use an armbar in the post to provide some sort of resistance...which is stupid. add in ticky tack incidental contact with the hands being called, charges being much more difficult to draw and post defenders are basically neutered. the end result is the defense you see in that gif.

[sikma42]

off topic, but god would you look at how the new rule changes are forcing these kids to play post defense?
no arm bar = no resistance. the kids who make it to the next level will have to learn how to play defense all over again. thx ncaa.

anyways, embiid had a great game. he flashes things that kids who've only played a couple of yrs of basketball really shouldn't, like his touch and patience with the ball. he also does show plenty of things that are expected from kids with his level of experience too. he's a mixed bag and a major project. too early for any comparisons imo. the rate at which he has learned the game has been impressive though.

I can only imagine how hard it is too adjust. I played the post in college and it would be extremely difficult to guard someone this way. It just gives a bigger advantage to better athletes on offense imo. There just isnt as many tools in the defenders bag. Not liking the direction the college game is going.

[rockmanslim]

Iona senior guard Sean Armand wasn’t exactly impressed with Kansas freshman Andrew Wiggins.

After Wiggins had 13 points on four-of-nine shooting in Kansas’ 86-66 victory over Iona on Tuesday night, Wiggins’ name showed up on headlines on ESPN’s SportsCenter.

“Of course this kid is the headline on espn,” Armand tweeted. “Overrated."

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/11/20/46 ... s-fan.html

[tweet]http://twitter.com/SeanArmand_/status/403011100469239808[/tweet]

[Thespianoid]

Iona senior guard Sean Armand wasn’t exactly impressed with Kansas freshman Andrew Wiggins.

After Wiggins had 13 points on four-of-nine shooting in Kansas’ 86-66 victory over Iona on Tuesday night, Wiggins’ name showed up on headlines on ESPN’s SportsCenter.

“Of course this kid is the headline on espn,” Armand tweeted. “Overrated."

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/11/20/46 ... s-fan.html

[tweet]http://twitter.com/SeanArmand_/status/403011100469239808[/tweet]

This is awfully reminiscent of the time Patric Young emphatically stated that Jonas Valanciunas was not a lottery pick after JV dominated the US U19 team. Wonder how that turned out...

[ManualRam]

Iona senior guard Sean Armand wasn’t exactly impressed with Kansas freshman Andrew Wiggins.

After Wiggins had 13 points on four-of-nine shooting in Kansas’ 86-66 victory over Iona on Tuesday night, Wiggins’ name showed up on headlines on ESPN’s SportsCenter.

“Of course this kid is the headline on espn,” Armand tweeted. “Overrated."

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/11/20/46 ... s-fan.html

[tweet]http://twitter.com/SeanArmand_/status/403011100469239808[/tweet]

This is awfully reminiscent of the time Patric Young emphatically stated that Jonas Valanciunas was not a lottery pick after JV dominated the US U19 team. Wonder how that turned out...

didn't valanciunas play well though?

[Bubstubbler]

A couple of times he put the ball on the floor, and both times finished successfully. On one he did a sort of Euro side-step with a nifty finish, another was a sort of reverse layup.

Gif of the latter:

Euro-step at the 10 second mark (overhead tv angle was better but can't find it) and reverse view of the Hakeem move at the 20 second mark: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm2kE71eesk[/youtube]

[boogie-reke]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lgI-8np7w[/youtube]

When he adds on muscle and understands that he's bigger and stronger then anyone and has the need to impose it on a nightly basis - watch out.

It's just unbelievable that he picked up basketball such a little while ago.

[Slava]

I think this might come down between Embiid & Randle by end of the season. It's really hard to pass up on big men like that even in a draft like this. I was also very impressed by Marcus Smart yesterday, seems pretty level headed for his age too.

[Bubstubbler]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lgI-8np7w[/youtube]

52 sec - LOVE the immediate fast outlet (too bad Selden wasn't thinking fast enough)
1:09 sec - LOVE the controlled block and immediate run out

Not shown, but I also LOVED how he intelligently used his butt to screen a path for Selden on a fast break.

Love the quick thinking, great touch, intelligence with and without the ball, humility, positive attitude, eagerness to learn, everything. Such a great combination of physical and mental traits. Sort of the Anthony Davis of centers.

His Dad looks intelligent and dignified, too. Seems like a strong-minded family.

Barring injury, he'll be the #1 pick. I know it sounds strange to hear that now, but I think it'll be widely accepted by draft time.

[EddieJonesFan]

I know it's still early, but I've finally come to the resolution that Wiggins being a no-brain no.1 pick was all hype. He can still very well be worth the no.1 pick, but he's by no means the obvious no.1 in this draft, at least not at this point. He probably has the highest upside in the draft due mostly to his frame and athleticism, but he's resting way too much on his projectibility to be the obvious no.1 pick. Depending on a player developing a great off the dribble game is a gamble, it's entirely possible and has been done before by older players than Wiggins, but it's still a gamble and not worthy of the hype he's gotten. What perimeter SF who doesn't have very good ball handling ability, nor a very pure shooting stroke, nor very good playmaking ability has ever really become a superstar player? Maybe Dominique Wilkins, but I can't think of much outside of him. Not saying he can't develop those abilities, but you have to gamble on him doing that rather than already seeing it ahead of time.

I still think very highly of him as a prospect, he has a workable shot, he's very quick to the basket, has good footwork/spin moves, and he has potential to be a great defender, but is that good enough to be called the definite no.1 in a draft class like this? I don't know, if I had to select the no.1 pick right now, I'd take Embiid, now that's potential I can get behind, that I know is a solid bet.

[MrBigShot]

Wiggins isn't even the best prospect on his team.

[Lindecision]

Wiggins isn't even the best prospect on his team.

This.

Come draft night there might be 5 guys I'd take ahead of Wiggins.

[sikma42]

Wiggins isn't even the best prospect on his team.

This.

Come draft night there might be 5 guys I'd take ahead of Wiggins.

well that is just silly. 5???