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Re: All Things "Brooklyn Nets" Thread 

Post#1001 » by CalamityX12 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:12 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Melo has looked a lot like **** as well.

We should have just been patient and wound up with some sick team like CP3/LMA/Brook and a top notch supporting cast through draft picks, small trades and MLE sized signings.


His attitude sucks and his comments about his team are foul in my book but he brings it, he does play, he does haul in over 25 pts a game(guessing the avg)... does he ball hog and stop? absolutley, would be interesting to see him n brook and maybe that'll be different...

King should never been hired lol.... we could have had Barnes or Beal(or whoever fans like), maybe Harden n thats not far fetched, didnt go after Batum, Cousins looks better over Favors now..... etc...
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Post#1002 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:32 pm

You know I always said for that pick we should have wound up with Batum and I would have been alright with that, in fact I said I would have done the pick only protected top 2 for Batum, maybe even just top 1.

And yeah, Harden could have been a Net, that one is really obvious.

King man, I don't even know what to say.
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Post#1003 » by CalamityX12 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:40 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:You know I always said for that pick we should have wound up with Batum and I would have been alright with that, in fact I said I would have done the pick only protected top 2 for Batum, maybe even just top 1.

And yeah, Harden could have been a Net, that one is really obvious.

King man, I don't even know what to say.


At least that swap hold merrit and makes sense for us... IDK if you remember us back in the ND days but I was close to murdering BK after that trade.... holy sh*t nothing he coudl've said validated that move. Batum, if it had to be from Portland for converstation, was fine and a great move for the team IMO. even with the upcoming resignation, the investment/resign was a no brainer for me.

You agree on Harden or being sarcastic? (sorry cant tell, its perfectly borderline lol)
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Post#1004 » by NyCeEvO » Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:55 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:King man, I don't even know what to say.

You do know what to say but if you actually said it, you'd be locked up. :lol:
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Post#1005 » by Paradise » Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:42 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:here I thought when we attained Dwill after we missed on Melo, I thought we we were better off and maybe won the deadline....

few years later, despite the talk, Melo plays and produces consistently.... damn, joke might be on me afterall....

come Dwill man up!



Eh, not really. I said I would take him over Deron at the moment because of his motor and aggressiveness offensively but in reality, they are both about equal at this point. Melo only had one good season with the Knicks.

There is many ways you can look at the whole Deron vs Melo trade thing but despite the fact Deron has been subpar to say the least here, there is one thing he did that goes unnoticed and it's him helping Brook become a Top 10 scorer last season.

I'm not sure Melo has made anyone around him a better player since joining the Knicks.
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Post#1006 » by therealbig3 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:49 pm

I think our biggest mistake was to go after Deron instead of CP3. I understand that the general consensus at the time was that they were relatively equal, or maybe a slight edge to Deron, but the people that really watched closely and were aware of the advanced stats knew that CP3 was clearly better than Deron.

If we had CP3, we'd be in MUCH better shape.
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Post#1007 » by therealbig3 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:50 pm

Paradise wrote:Melo only had one good season with the Knicks.


And how many good seasons has Deron had here?

I'd take 2nd half 2013 Deron over ANYTHING Melo has ever done, but we so rarely get that Deron because he ends up getting injured all the time.
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Post#1008 » by NyCeEvO » Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:56 pm

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Post#1009 » by therealbig3 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:44 am

Not like the losses don't count, and not like it's not a bad thing, but we have 4 chokejob losses so far this season: Cleveland, Washington, Portland, and Charlotte. The thing about chokejobs, yes, it's on the team that lost, but it's also about bad luck, and if we were luckier, we could be sitting at 7-4 right now instead of 3-8. Sounds like stupid reasoning, but we won some really close games last year in which we were lucky to hold on, because we would blow some big leads and make some really poor, momentum-killing plays. Go back and look at how we played against teams like the Suns, the Hornets, and the Pacers (when we had a huge 20+ point lead at one point). And there were definitely other games where we would blow big leads and have to claw one out. Even in that game against the Wizards where D-Will hit 11 threes...we almost blew that lead too until we re-extended it late in the game. Damn, we are losing to some BAD teams though.

It all starts with the defense and getting at least one of D-Will or Lopez healthy. It would also mean less minutes for Evans and Plumlee, and less of overextending Livingston and keeping him as a nice sparkplug off the bench.
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Post#1010 » by Paradise » Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:37 pm

Nets will be wearing a new sleeved alternate jersey later this season.

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Post#1011 » by NyCeEvO » Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:01 am

Jalen Rose just said that the Spurs practice with a 12 second shot clock. If true, that's amazing.
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Post#1012 » by bobbyc » Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:46 am

Deron Williams deserves majority of the blame.

We leveraged our future to retain him by trading for Johnson. We give him MAX money. The guy has played like a max money guy for only .5 of a season since coming here. The only reason he had that .5 season was because Fat man went on a diet and lost some weight so he was not so slow and he addressed a health issue.

The fact that we are 26th in the league in defensive efficiency is in large part due to our leader/ max money player being a poor defender. He is probably one of the slowest guards in the league right now and guards have no trouble getting by him on the perimeter. In the PnR it looks like he gets caught in a bear trap on these picks, he can't get around the pick quick enough.

The guy clearly has an ankle problem that he should have addressed. Steph Curry had ankle issues and had them addressed. But yet he didn't. And now here we are with his ass on the bench.

And I see all these health issues coming from that lockout year where he decided to play that meaningless season with the Turks instead of taking time off after the olympics to recover like every other player on that F*in team.

This guy is a bum right now.

Fortunately if this is a crap season, this will make his career look like a joke! Those years in Utah are going to look like luck. The year he went to the finals, GS the 8th seed beat Dallas which led to Utah matching up with an 8th seed in the 2nd round (fortunate). Other than that year he did not have much success in the other 3 playoff appearances.

He is the leader of a talented team and he can't lead them to win 50% of the games. He is just not a winner. Not a leader. Can't play through injuries. Can't stay healthy. Can't stay in the shape that he needs to be in to play at a high level. His body language is poor at all times except if he is hitting 3's.

He is just not someone you can build a team around, but yet we did. Shame on us!

I needed to vent about my disappointment with Deron and this team. AND 1 if you feel the same.
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Post#1013 » by DarkXaero » Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:16 am

Billy King deserves the blame for this ****.
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Post#1014 » by Paradise » Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:34 am

bobbyc wrote:Deron Williams deserves 100% of the blame.

I wouldn't say 100% because Deron had nothing to do with King willingly going overboard to get Wallace or Johnson but the thought process behind the moves were motivated by Deron the fact MP was absorbing massive debts with the franchise that he desperately needed to make back by putting together a good product here in New York.



We leveraged our future to retain him by trading for Johnson. We give him MAX money. The guy has played like a max money guy for only .5 of a season since coming here. The only reason he had that .5 season was because Fat man went on a diet and lost some weight so he was not so slow and he addressed a health issue.



Well, Yeah. I've said before, Deron's attitude and basically putting one foot out the door after the whole Dwight situation basically made King put together a desperate deal. Like it or not, It was a desperate deal and people need to accept the fact it was done because Deron gave nearly every impression he was not going to stay here playing with scrubs. Which is what led to the Wallace/Johnson trades and reguardless of how disgustingly bad King got bent over, It shouldn't have happened but the reality is it was done to coddle Williams and build a new reputation among stars.

The fact that we are 26th in the league in defensive efficiency is in large part due to our leader/ max money player being a poor defender. He is probably one of the slowest guards in the league right now and guards have no trouble getting by him on the perimeter. In the PnR it looks like he gets caught in a bear trap on these picks, he can't get around the pick quick enough.


Well, no. I can't say that at all because Deron has barely played and the first two weeks of the season, the team was 13th in defense. They fell off a cliff when Brook went down.

In all honestly all of our guards look like that including Livingston right now.

The guy clearly has an ankle problem that he should have addressed. Steph Curry had ankle issues and had them addressed. But yet he didn't. And now here we are with his ass on the bench.

And I see all these health issues coming from that lockout year where he decided to play that meaningless season with the Turks instead of taking time off after the olympics to recover like every other player on that F*in team.

This guy is a bum right now.

I know it's out of frustration but you cannot honestly blame Deron at all for his ankle issues. Surgery would have helped last season, dieting would have helped last season but the difference today between Deron and Stephen Curry is luck. That's really it.

I can't really blame Deron when he gets his foot stepped on twice by an opposing player. There is no health or form of rehab that will prevent that. Especially when he's trying to get back and play. He lobbied to play through it during preseason, he wanted his minutes restriction off since opening night, so he's tried. He's been dealt with a crappy card this year.
Fortunately if this is a crap season, this will make his career look like a joke! Those years in Utah are going to look like luck. The year he went to the finals, GS the 8th seed beat Dallas which led to Utah matching up with an 8th seed in the 2nd round (fortunate). Other than that year he did not have much success in the other 3 playoff appearances.

He is the leader of a talented team and he can't lead them to win 50% of the games. He is just not a winner. Not a leader. Can't play through injuries. Can't stay healthy. Can't stay in the shape that he needs to be in to play at a high level. His body language is poor at all times except if he is hitting 3's.

He is just not someone you can build a team around, but yet we did. Shame on us!

I needed to vent about my disappointment with Deron and this team. AND 1 it if you feel the same.


While I agree we won't win with him and it's a make or break year for him, I don't think it makes much sense to criticize him for playing through injuries or staying healthy. If he pulled a Rose and chooses to sit/play then I would feel that way but the reality is, he did legit hurt his ankles a year ago and his play showed it. He got a ton of heat for it and If he were to play through these ankle sprains now, he would get a ton of criticism for not playing at a high level. So, either way it wouldn't make a difference.

I'm just more disappointed in the team than anyone else. We all knew deep down we ran the risk of him having a few injuries here or there but that's still no excuse for this team not to still be solid. With or without him.

But in terms of Deron himself? It is what it is with him. He's simply not going to be an 82 game player anymore, he's gotten lazy to the point that he takes nothing but threes, his motor in terms of intelligibles is not there like it used to be and quite honestly, he's lost everything he got known for doing.

In all honestly, I think he got so used to playing losing basketball and basically being coddled during the first two years in NJ and maybe the last year in Utah to the point where now he's gotten all that he's wanted and more. He's playing for a big market. He's Top 10 jersey seller for the first time and now when the spotlight is on him to play like a superstar, he comes up small or plays inconsistent on one end or another.

All I want is for him to put together some good seasons and hopefully escape his deal by hopefully moving him in 2 years.
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Post#1015 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:18 pm

I think this perfectly describes our disappointing start of the season....

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Post#1016 » by CalamityX12 » Mon Dec 2, 2013 10:27 pm

We were suppose to get an update regarding Dwill.... any news?
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Post#1017 » by exculpatory » Mon Dec 2, 2013 10:58 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:I think this perfectly describes our disappointing start of the season....

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Post#1018 » by therealbig3 » Tue Dec 3, 2013 11:08 am

I'm more concerned about Kirilenko than D-Will to be honest. He's played a total of 53 minutes over 4 games. Basically, he hasn't played, and he's STILL out indefinitely with back issues.

This sounds like season-ending type stuff, when a back issue holds you out for such a long time when you basically haven't even put any wear and tear on your body in the first place.
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Post#1019 » by NyCeEvO » Wed Dec 4, 2013 6:08 pm

They're live streaming practice right now: http://www.nba.com/nets/nets-practice-live
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Post#1020 » by NyCeEvO » Thu Jan 9, 2014 3:23 pm

The 4th installment of the Nets board Top 25 player ranking will be coming up in a few weeks.

Keep your eyes peeled, get your lists reads, and get ready to argue.

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