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GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN

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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#281 » by dangermouse » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:03 am

Would be great if we could rely on Rice, or Temple.

Beal needs a god damn beak sometimes. He was obviously gassed in the 4th and Dellevadova was hounding him, forcing errors.

Is it ok if im loving THE JANCHISE right now? His effort seems infectious when hes on the floor with either Gortat or Nene. I'd give him a cheaper contract when his is up. Just let him be a garbage man. If he can improve his defense and keep up that garbage man rebounding he can be key in a deep playoff run.
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NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#282 » by dangermouse » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:06 am

I guess it will be better when Ariza and Otto return. Webbo can slide to SG and give Beal a spell in times like those.
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NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#283 » by J-Ves » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:08 am

People on this board like to point out Wall's poor shot selection, but check this out; on the season Beal is now 50% (33 for 66) on threes while only 38% on 2 pointers. Beal is a guy who would really benefit from the James Harden style of only threes and shots near the basket. IMO, if Beal is going to average 18 to 20 FGAs per game about half need to be three pointers. 9-10 attempts from three may seem unrealistic, but it needs to happen for the sake of efficiency.
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#284 » by hands11 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:11 am

dangermouse wrote:Would be great if we could rely on Rice, or Temple.

Beal needs a god damn beak sometimes. He was obviously gassed in the 4th and Dellevadova was hounding him, forcing errors.

Is it ok if im loving THE JANCHISE right now? His effort seems infectious when hes on the floor with either Gortat or Nene. I'd give him a cheaper contract when his is up. Just let him be a garbage man. If he can improve his defense and keep up that garbage man rebounding he can be key in a deep playoff run.


Guess what. If he keep this up for the season, 3.5M is not to much for a young 7 ft big who is doing what he does in 20 mins a night. If he was older and nuts like Birdman, you could get that player cheaper. But lets not get ahead of ourselves. Just enjoying watching he bring what he is bringing.

The key right now is to just keep what he is doing and do it consistently game after game. This is his game. From there, he can slowly expand it.
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#285 » by Hypnotizer » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:13 am

pancakes3 wrote:Starters 31 assists. Bench 0 assists. You couldn't make stats like that up.


Points:
Wizards bench - 10;
Cavs bench - 56.
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Post#286 » by hands11 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:14 am

J-Ves wrote:People on this board like to point out Wall's poor shot selection, but check this out; on the season Beal is now 50% (33 for 66) on threes while only 38% on 2 pointers. Beal is a guy who would really benefit from the James Harden style of only threes and shots near the basket. IMO, if Beal is going to average 18 to 20 FGAs per game about half need to be three pointers. 9-10 attempts from three may seem unrealistic, but it needs to happen for the sake of efficiency.


Well he doesn't have Hardens handles to drive like that yet. I think that's why you see those mid ranges. Those are him driving. He is just pulling up before he gets all the way their.

But as things more forward, hopefully he gets better at going all the way.

Keep in mind, he is only 20 :D
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Post#287 » by dandridge 10 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:19 am

Whew, glad I taped that game. After Cleveland made the run to get within 4 I just fast forwarded to the end to see if we won. Then I went back to watch the rest of the game. It made the last few minutes much more enjoyable.

Anyway, I agree Beal should not have been initiating the offense at the end. However, I do think the refs let Belladova manhandle Beal a bit. His hands were all over Beal.

I also think Wittman left Jan too long in the game. Jan had a decent game keeping balls alive but he is a non-check on offense and I think the Cavs took advantage of that to put more pressure on Beal and Wall. Once Gortat came back in the game, things opened up a bit.

With that said, the Wizards stopped moving the ball in the 4th quarter and made it easy for the Cavs to defend them. Moreover, I think the starters were gassed playing a back to back and playing big minutes because our bench just sucks big time. I think those two reasons are why the Cavs really came back....plus Irving decided to show up.

Oh, one last thing...Maynor should not get off the bench again. He is truly one of the worst basketball players I have seen play here. The offense just comes to a complete halt when he is in, and he is a sieve on D.
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#288 » by tontoz » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:24 am

Gortat should get more than 7 shots. He isn't a great offensive player but Gortat in the paint > Wall/Beal taking long 2s.

Feels weird to do this but i have to give props to Ves, our leading rebounder even though he played only 22 minutes.
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#289 » by Hypnotizer » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:27 am

tontoz wrote:Gortat should get more than 7 shots. He isn't a great offensive player but Gortat in the paint > Wall/Beal taking long 2s.


His midrange jumper doesn't work recently and he lost confidence little bit. He scores only easy lay-ups.
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#290 » by hands11 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:31 am

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pancakes3 wrote:Starters 31 assists. Bench 0 assists. You couldn't make stats like that up.


Points:
Wizards bench - 10;
Cavs bench - 56.


First off. CLE bench was 4 players playing 30 mins each plus 3 other players playing 6, 7, and 8 minutes.
C.J. Miles who started, played 3 minutes. Andrew Bynum who started played 13 minutes

Anderson Varejao played 35 mins
Jack played 28
Dion Waiters... the starter last year..played 30

Anderson and Waiters are the real starters.. only CLE brings them off the bench to create mismatches while Kyrie does most the scoring with the first group. They are just balancing their line ups.
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#291 » by hands11 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:36 am

tontoz wrote:Gortat should get more than 7 shots. He isn't a great offensive player but Gortat in the paint > Wall/Beal taking long 2s.

Feels weird to do this but i have to give props to Ves, our leading rebounder even though he played only 22 minutes.


Leading rebounding on the team per 36
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#292 » by FAH1223 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:39 am

Hypnotizer wrote:We have good schedule now and this should be a looong winning streak. FAH, are you ready for more game threads?


damn, I'm 3-0 now. Ernie has a job for life with me making game threads. Shieeet.
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#294 » by nate33 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:41 am

Tonight was basketball night at my local gym so I missed most of the 2nd half. I turned it off 2 minutes into the 2nd half when we were up 64-38. What did I miss? :D
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#295 » by mhd » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:44 am

Nene played 38 minutes tonight! Way too much. The Wiz need to find a way to limit his PT. Hopefully Harrington gets back b/c he provides some semblence of depth.
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#296 » by Hypnotizer » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:47 am

hands11 wrote:
First off. CLE bench was 4 players playing 30 mins each plus 3 other players playing 6, 7, and 8 minutes.
C.J. Miles who started, played 3 minutes. Andrew Bynum who started played 13 minutes

Anderson Varejao played 35 mins
Jack played 28
Dion Waiters... the starter last year..played 30

Anderson and Waiters are the real starters.. only CLE brings them off the bench to create mismatches while Kyrie does most the scoring with the first group. They are just balancing their line ups.


Our bench still stinks. I hope TA can return soon. Otto could be handy too.
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#297 » by FAH1223 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:51 am

mhd wrote:Nene played 38 minutes tonight! Way too much. The Wiz need to find a way to limit his PT. Hopefully Harrington gets back b/c he provides some semblence of depth.


Harrington makes the team worse. He plays no D, he doesn't rebound, and he fouls a lot.
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#298 » by nate33 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:51 am

Not having watched the 2nd half, I note that Beal finished the game with 8 assists and 7 boards. He had 3 assists and 3 boards at halftime so he was definitely filling up the box score in the 2nd half. (I'll pretend I didn't notice the 6 turnovers.)

Would someone please tell John Wall that he was 1-11 from outside the paint, and 5-6 from inside?

As a team, we took 33 2-point shots from outside the lane. We made 7 of them. That's 21%.
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#299 » by payitforward » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:54 am

We were going on fumes in the last 10 minutes but managed to get to the finish line -- Whew!

How Ernie chose Eric Maynor remains an utter mystery. He's just awful.

I'm sure we'd all be happy to get 20 minutes every night from Jan Vesely like the ones he's played the last two nights.

Two DNPs in a row for Kevin Seraphin. They must be trying to trade him; best to keep him off the floor in that case! :)
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Re: GT #11: Wizards @ Cavs 7 PM CSN 

Post#300 » by montestewart » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:58 am

fishercob wrote:i like when we win

Excellent summary of the game. I agree with all points of your analysis.

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