Josh Smith Trade Ideas

[theBigLip]

Ok, if our new front line isn't working, I'd still like to keep Monroe and Drummond. Seems like there would be some team (New York, Brooklyn?) that would be a candidate for Smith. We've got Smith and expirings. Just need a good (not great) SF in return. Whose got a good idea?

[MotownMadness]

I like it but Dumars would not admit to his own mistake that quick.

[DetroitPistons]

I also think this would be an ideal move but it means we will be getting less in return. One idea I had earlier in the season involved working a 3-way with Houston and another team who has a SG or SF to trade to us. Smith was on Houston's radar this offseason but they couldn't get a sign and trade done for him. I think a Howard/Smith pairing in Houston makes a lot of sense for them. I've been a big Harrison Barnes fan too so ideally I would like to bring him here somehow.

[Q00]

I don't know, I kind of feel like Smith at 13 million per year for 4 years (including this year) might be better than Monroe at 15-16 million per yer for potentially the next 5 years after this year.

They both have their flaws that can drive you mad. Monroe's defense, Smith's shot selection, both equally bad turnovers...but since we do need a PF next to Drummond and either one is better than nothing, I sort of side with the cheaper, shorter contract veteran who plays defense. There's always a chance you can get Smith to tone down his bad shots, and at PF it would force him to take most of his shots in the post, being our only option if Monroe's gone. But with Monroe, you are pretty much guaranteed bad defense for the next 5+ years and not much you can do about it. You can overcome a few bad shots and still win most nights if your defense is great, but its hard to win consistently with a bad defender in the frontcourt.

If we had to trade Smith though I'd do a deal to Houston for Asik/Parsons. We upgrade shooting and depth up front. The downside is we probably become even worse defensively with Parsons and Monroe starting at the 3-4. I don't know it seems like this team has a lot of issues right now, but if you compare to last year at this time, I still think we are in much better shape, so maybe not quite as bad as it seems. It would be nice to hear Joe made a trade to get us a SF somehow though.

[sc8581]

I also think this would be an ideal move but it means we will be getting less in return. One idea I had earlier in the season involved working a 3-way with Houston and another team who has a SG or SF to trade to us. Smith was on Houston's radar this offseason but they couldn't get a sign and trade done for him. I think a Howard/Smith pairing in Houston makes a lot of sense for them. I've been a big Harrison Barnes fan too so ideally I would like to bring him here somehow.

Funny how you think Howard/Smith makes a lot of sense for them yet you think Drummond/Smith doesn't make sense for us, care to explain?

[ImHeisenberg]

I don't know, I kind of feel like Smith at 13 million per year for 4 years (including this year) might be better than Monroe at 15-16 million per yer for potentially the next 5 years after this year.

They both have their flaws that can drive you mad. Monroe's defense, Smith's shot selection, both equally bad turnovers...but since we do need a PF next to Drummond and either one is better than nothing, I sort of side with the cheaper, shorter contract veteran who plays defense. There's always a chance you can get Smith to tone down his bad shots, and at PF it would force him to take most of his shots in the post, being our only option if Monroe's gone. But with Monroe, you are pretty much guaranteed bad defense for the next 5+ years and not much you can do about it. You can overcome a few bad shots and still win most nights if your defense is great, but its hard to win consistently with a bad defender in the frontcourt.

If we had to trade Smith though I'd do a deal to Houston for Asik/Parsons. We upgrade shooting and depth up front. The downside is we probably become even worse defensively with Parsons and Monroe starting at the 3-4. I don't know it seems like this team has a lot of issues right now, but if you compare to last year at this time, I still think we are in much better shape, so maybe not quite as bad as it seems. It would be nice to hear Joe made a trade to get us a SF somehow though.

You made some very solid points. I'll take the defense over offense when push comes to shove.

There's no quality small forwards who are imminently available, but likely could be had if Monroe was offered. Guys I like: Wilson Chandler, Gallo (if his knee is right), Kawhi Leonard or Nic Batum.

Chandler is my favorite of the group. He can guard multiple positions, be used as a stretch 4 at times, has a fantastic contract and a native Michigander. Gallo would be the best floor spreader, but he's paid well and there's obvious questions surrounding that torn ACL. Leonard would be difficult to pry from SA. Batum could probably be had, as Portland would probably covet a high-low post game with Monroe and Aldridge. But, many would argue Batum is overpaid.

[vic]

Before I'd do that I'd hire a strategic coach who could get the most out of all that talent. Someone smarter than the players. Not a players coach who lets the players coach.

Someone that could come up with a defensive system that worked, instead of the "all gambles all the time" system.
Someone who doesn't wait until the defensively ineffective point guards are injured in order to play the more effective, bigger defensive guards.
Someone who could make sure the efficient players get the most shots, and the chuckers are on a leash at least until the 4th quarter.

Mo Cheeks has been an upgrade, hopefully he gets this stuff done sooner than later. But I'd change the coach before I change the players.

[DetroitDon15]

If the choice comes down to Monroe or Smith, I personally would rather trade Monroe. I'm not sure I want to pay him 15/16 mill per year. I also think we could get a better return for Monroe. I am almost sure that we could get stuck with a DNP-CV type contract if we traded Smith.

[BadMofoPimp]

There is absolutely Zero chance that Jennings or Smith will be traded this entire season. Zero.

Are you sure this thread wasn't aimed at NK13 video game players?

[Clarity]

Smith is going no where anytime soon but yes if anyone is moved eventually it obv should be Josh a million times before its Monroe.

[theBigLip]

There is absolutely Zero chance that Jennings or Smith will be traded this entire season. Zero.

Are you sure this thread wasn't aimed at NK13 video game players?

Zero? Dumars is fighting for his job this year so he could make a desperation trade. Drummond has a zero chance (younger, better contract, super high ceiling). As for Smith or Jennings? Not popular to trade away someone you just signed, but both these guys are happy they got big contracts thanks to Dumars, and I don't think they care who actually sends them the check.

[BadMofoPimp]

There is absolutely Zero chance that Jennings or Smith will be traded this entire season. Zero.

Are you sure this thread wasn't aimed at NK13 video game players?

Zero? Dumars is fighting for his job this year so he could make a desperation trade. Drummond has a zero chance (younger, better contract, super high ceiling). As for Smith or Jennings? Not popular to trade away someone you just signed, but both these guys are happy they got big contracts thanks to Dumars, and I don't think they care who actually sends them the check.

When was the last time any GM in the history of the NBA traded a $10 mil plus caliber player the the same season they signed him?

Not going to happen. After spending all this money on Smith, he ain't being traded. Joe would trade Monroe before Smith. People can keep on treating the NBA like a video game, but there is zero chance this will happen.

[DBC10]

Monroe and Drummond for the long term makes more sense than a Smith/Drummond frontcourt. Why? They'll both roughly enter their primes around the same age which makes it a fantastic way to build pieces around them. Smith will probably be less effective in about 3 to 4 years, which is when Drummond will just begin to be polished and shined. If Monroe is gone by then, we'd have to shop around for a PF to pair with Drummond again, which is going to be annoying trying to attract FAs to sign here. Regardless, I think we're going to overpay for keeping talent (in this case, Monroe) OR gaining talent down the line. Basically, a young frontcourt > old/young frontcourt in terms of getting raw value and potential. It's the better way to move forward.

But, Smith won't be moved. Not this early.

[BadMofoPimp]

I am quite certain this is the Core Pistons fans will be seeing for yeeaaaarrrrsss. Thus, get used to BJ, Josh, Drum, Monroe and possibly an upgrade via FA SG next summer.

[Invictus88]

I was wondering how long it was going to take before I finally saw a Trade Josh Smith thread pop up.

I don't think comparing the idea of trading josh smith to video game personnel management is fair.

Strategically I think it's the best move for all of the ideas posted before me:
1. Better fit now defensively
2. Ages of Monroe and Drummond are closer
3. Better shot selection / distribution / spacing for the team

But I also don't think it's going to happen because:
1. Joe would be admitting he screwed up bigtime and this would lead to his dismissal.
2. There was no team looking to sign Josh Smith in free agency besides us. Smith even said that Atlanta didn't even try. I'm not aware of any huge character flaws so I have to believe this is based solely on performance.

So like it or not I think we are stuck with him.

[DetroitPistons]

I also think this would be an ideal move but it means we will be getting less in return. One idea I had earlier in the season involved working a 3-way with Houston and another team who has a SG or SF to trade to us. Smith was on Houston's radar this offseason but they couldn't get a sign and trade done for him. I think a Howard/Smith pairing in Houston makes a lot of sense for them. I've been a big Harrison Barnes fan too so ideally I would like to bring him here somehow.

Funny how you think Howard/Smith makes a lot of sense for them yet you think Drummond/Smith doesn't make sense for us, care to explain?

When did I say Smith/Drummond combo doesn't make sense for us? I've proposed several trades already that results in is having Smith at PF and Dre at C. I would rather trade Smith than Monroe though.

[Sheeeeed]

There is absolutely Zero chance that Jennings or Smith will be traded this entire season. Zero.

Are you sure this thread wasn't aimed at NK13 video game players?

Zero? Dumars is fighting for his job this year so he could make a desperation trade. Drummond has a zero chance (younger, better contract, super high ceiling). As for Smith or Jennings? Not popular to trade away someone you just signed, but both these guys are happy they got big contracts thanks to Dumars, and I don't think they care who actually sends them the check.

When was the last time any GM in the history of the NBA traded a $10 mil plus caliber player the the same season they signed him?

Not going to happen. After spending all this money on Smith, he ain't being traded. Joe would trade Monroe before Smith. People can keep on treating the NBA like a video game, but there is zero chance this will happen.

Also Dumars has been wanting Smith for years. There were numerous Smith to Detroit rumors since Dumars wanted to make changes after the 08 playoffs. I can't see him giving up on Smith just like that.

[DetroitSho]

There is absolutely Zero chance that Jennings or Smith will be traded this entire season. Zero.

Are you sure this thread wasn't aimed at NK13 video game players?

Zero? Dumars is fighting for his job this year so he could make a desperation trade. Drummond has a zero chance (younger, better contract, super high ceiling). As for Smith or Jennings? Not popular to trade away someone you just signed, but both these guys are happy they got big contracts thanks to Dumars, and I don't think they care who actually sends them the check.

When was the last time any GM in the history of the NBA traded a $10 mil plus caliber player the the same season they signed him?

Not going to happen. After spending all this money on Smith, he ain't being traded. Joe would trade Monroe before Smith. People can keep on treating the NBA like a video game, but there is zero chance this will happen.

$10 million is kind of an arbitrary number don't you think?

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[ComboGuardCity]

The only teams which have the need and the cap to throw max money at moose are the cavs, mavs, 76ers, and Suns.


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[sc8581]

The only teams which have the need and the cap to throw max money at moose are the cavs, mavs, 76ers, and Suns.


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The Wizards, Kings, Magic, Heat, Grizzlies, Lakers and Bobcats could all very well have enough space to offer him the max also, as for having a need for him, who knows come summertime.