GT: Charlotte @ Milwaukee Nov 23rd 8:30PM EST

[Eoghan]

The Bucks looked like a disjointed mess of poor chemistry, not surprising since they added so many new faces plus had the injury bug a little this year. That 3rd quarter was a clinic on "how to take low % shots b/c you don't trust your teammates."

Zeller isn't a bust, he's a reach. He can't post up anybody, couldn't do it in college either so this "learning a new role" thing is a bit unfounded. Zeller just looked good in the post in college b/c he'd out-quick really slow footed stiffs like Berggren or if he actually had a cover smaller than he was. There's no amount of weights that he will rectify his flailing about, he loathes contact.

MKG isn't a bust either but the time is ticking on the argument of being a reach.

[Snidely FC]

With apologies to Senator Kohl, I'd turn this MIL team over to the youngsters asap. Wolters, Middleton, Atetempko, Henson, Ilyasova, Sanders. Thank goodness we didn't draft Knight. Thank goodness we didn't sign Mayo this summer.

[lmcguir5]

That 3rd quarter was a clinic on "how to take low % shots b/c you don't trust your teammates."

I couldn't have summed it up better than this

[H2tObes]

@H2t0bes

You think Ilyasova is the best player in the conversation? Better than Al Jefferson?

No disrespect but wow.

I would take an elite stretch 4 over a black hole who doesn't play a lick of defense any day. May I remind you Ersan has been one of the best three point shooters in the league the last two years? 45% from three is worth more than Al Jeff in itself .

Also you can't conclude anything on Ersan based on this season, he's been injured.

last time i checked "elite" stretch 4's are players like Dirk, Ersan is not even in the same universe as Dirk

Ersan is a top 3 stretch four without question.

[H2tObes]

We've not been hostile.

Hostile would be saying stuff like the Bucks are trash, Hammond sucks, Milwaukee is a crap city, you're not welcome etc.

When a fan of another fanbase comes into our GT stating opinions and questioning everyone elses then maybe it is fair to ask for context?

Regardless I've started a PC thread because this comparison intrigues me.

All I've stated is my confusion over the Al Jefferson love.

Really never meant to insult any posters if I did. Was just sticking up for my player, who I'm sure you would all love if he was a Bobcat.

Also, yes, everything about the Bucks sucks. All our fanbase can hope for is a top 3 pick this year

[JDR720]

I would take an elite stretch 4 over a black hole who doesn't play a lick of defense any day. May I remind you Ersan has been one of the best three point shooters in the league the last two years? 45% from three is worth more than Al Jeff in itself .

Also you can't conclude anything on Ersan based on this season, he's been injured.

last time i checked "elite" stretch 4's are players like Dirk, Ersan is not even in the same universe as Dirk

Ersan is a top 3 stretch four without question.

Dirk, Love and Bargnani are all better stretch 4's than Ersan

[fatlever]

ryan anderson

but, i'd take ilyasova over bargnani, easy.

[H2tObes]

last time i checked "elite" stretch 4's are players like Dirk, Ersan is not even in the same universe as Dirk

Ersan is a top 3 stretch four without question.

Dirk, Love and Bargnani are all better stretch 4's than Ersan

Bargnani? The softest four in the game? He doesn't even rebound...Ersan is a better player then him in literally every facet. MUCH more efficient from everywhere on the court, especially from 3. Better defender, they're worlds apart in rebounding as well. No comparison really

[H2tObes]

ryan anderson

but, i'd take ilyasova over bargnani, easy.

Ersans been better then Anderson everywhere the last two seasons.

[fatlever]

here's my beef with ilyasova... two years ago, in a contract year, he averaged 16ppg and 9rpg after the all-star break. he was a stud that 2nd half of the season. then he got deservingly paid based on that run of form and future potential. last year and so far this year, he has come nowhere near that level of play that he showed in the 2nd half of 11-12. its starting to look more and more like 16/9 was the outlier.

[H2tObes]

here's my beef with ilyasova... two years ago, in a contract year, he averaged 16ppg and 9rpg after the all-star break. he was a stud that 2nd half of the season. then he got deservingly paid based on that run of form and future potential. last year and so far this year, he has come nowhere near that level of play that he showed in the 2nd half of 11-12. its starting to look more and more like 16/9 was the outlier.

What are you talking about? He performed like a beast for a good majority of the season last year, check out his game log for last year...putting up big numbers on nearly a nightly basis for solid stretches

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... n-ilyasova

He was really good the last 3 months of the season. Per 36 he's a 17/9 player on very good efficiency. We've just had a logjam at PF the last few seasons.

He's not a world beater on defense but his D is definitely underrated and he's really good at taking charges. He's a tenacious rebounder who really has a nose for the ball, and on offense he's an elite 3 point shooter. Kevin Love and Dirk are really the only two stretch 4's I'd take over him.

[Eoghan]

Ersan is a really good player and would be great at PF beside Al Jefferson. A lot of Ersan's inconsistent production last year was due to the coach being random with the rotations. When Ersan logs good minutes he produces efficiently.

I personally hate Al Jefferson's game. I have zero tolerance for guys that can't play a lick of defense.

[fatlever]

ryan anderson

but, i'd take ilyasova over bargnani, easy.

Ersans been better then Anderson everywhere the last two seasons.

they are extremely similar statistically, but i'll give you that ilyasova barely edges anderson in most stats on a per 36 basis.

anderson is more of a stretch PF though because he takes a ton more 3PA (8 to 3) per 36, but anderson shoots at 38% compared to 44% for ilyasova. perhaps ilyasova should shoot more from 3.

not worth discussing this season due to small samples sizes.

still not sure how any of this relates to the bobcats? i like ilyasova and would be thrilled to have him here. your bucks are a trainwreck right now, but based on your gamethreads, it seems that your fanbased is thrilled with that fact, so why are you upset when another fanbase says your team looks terrible?

if you are going to be excited that your team is awful you have to deal with the related consequences of having an awful team and part of that is dealing with every other fan base on realgm laughing at your team in their own gamethreads and taking about how terrible your team is on the general board and laughing at your players in the player comparison thread and freaking out every time their team loses to the bucks. as bobcats fans we have dealt with more crap from other fanbases on realgm than any other team over the past few years, so i doubt you will find much sympathy here.

[H2tObes]

ryan anderson

but, i'd take ilyasova over bargnani, easy.

Ersans been better then Anderson everywhere the last two seasons.

they are extremely similar statistically, but i'll give you that ilyasova barely edges anderson in most stats on a per 36 basis.

anderson is more of a stretch PF though because he takes a ton more 3PA (8 to 3) per 36, but anderson shoots at 38% compared to 44% for ilyasova. perhaps ilyasova should shoot more from 3.

not worth discussing this season due to small samples sizes.

still not sure how any of this relates to the bobcats? i like ilyasova and would be thrilled to have him here. your bucks are a trainwreck right now, but based on your gamethreads, it seems that your fanbased is thrilled with that fact, so why are you upset when another fanbase says your team looks terrible?

if you are going to be excited that your team is awful you have to deal with the related consequences of having an awful team and part of that is dealing with every other fan base on realgm laughing at your team in their own gamethreads and taking about how terrible your team is on the general board and laughing at your players in the player comparison thread and freaking out every time their team loses to the bucks. as bobcats fans we have dealt with more crap from other fanbases on realgm than any other team over the past few years, so i doubt you will find much sympathy here.

Bucks have been in mediocrity since far before the Bobcats existed. I love the fact that my Bucks are awful..wonderful year to tank and finally get a star in Milwaukee. This franchise needs it.

I never got mad at anyone saying my team sucks. I'm proud of the fact that we're awful. Believe it or not our GM and owner thought the roster we assembled was good enough to make the playoffs...why else would we spend all that money on old vets

Just saw one of your posters who was sellingErsan so short that it pained me to read it. Simple as that.

[fatlever]

What are you talking about? He performed like a beast for a good majority of the season last year, check out his game log for last year...putting up big numbers on nearly a nightly basis for solid stretches

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... n-ilyasova

He was really good the last 3 months of the season. Per 36 he's a 17/9 player on very good efficiency. We've just had a logjam at PF the last few seasons.

fair enough, he had another great post all-star stretch last year. touche. but he had a lackluster pre-all star stretch (11/6).

maybe he will show more consistency this season?

[fatlever]

I never got mad at saying my team sucks, im proud of that fact. Just saw one of your posters who was selling
Ersan so short that it pained me to read it. Simple as that.

well, thats my point. other fanbases will continue to trash good players who play on bad teams. its a realgm tradition. so i guess, get ready to defend ilyasova all year long if the bucks keep playing like this.

[H2tObes]

I never got mad at saying my team sucks, im proud of that fact. Just saw one of your posters who was selling
Ersan so short that it pained me to read it. Simple as that.

well, thats my point. other fanbases will continue to trash good players who play on bad teams. its a realgm tradition. so i guess, get ready to defend ilyasova all year long if the bucks keep playing like this.

Valid point, best not to stick my nose in it.