#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[LamarMatic7]

Biyombo playing 30+ minutes: 3-0

Devil's advocate - two of those three wins were against that horrid Cavs team. The Raps aren't that much better either.

[mrknowitall215]

Biyombo playing 30+ minutes: 3-0

Devil's advocate - two of those three wins were against that horrid Cavs team. The Raps aren't that much better either.

Hence the

I'm not making any assumptions or putting out any theories, just showing the numbers

[LamarMatic7]

Biyombo playing 30+ minutes: 3-0

Devil's advocate - two of those three wins were against that horrid Cavs team. The Raps aren't that much better either.

Hence the

I'm not making any assumptions or putting out any theories, just showing the numbers

The bad defensive rating numbers definitely are odd. I'm considering paying extra attention (and not while watching a stream) to how Biz plays every defensive possession next time he plays and making a video of it.

Damn, I'd love to have a Synergy account right now to take a look at every possession Biz has been involved in.

[Eoghan]

IMO what we should have done is start Biz against Plumlee (the only dude Biz matched up with) and let Al come off the bench in limited minutes (b/c he's not in game shape and moves like an old woman).

I like how Bonnell said that Adrien is a "quicker study," no **** sherlock, he's 27 **** years old already.

[Elden Payton]

It's ridiculous.

Why draft a project and then act surprised he's a project?

He needs the minutes as much as I am a Rocky fan.

[LamarMatic7]

Too bad this situation is too irrelevant from the league's perspective, even for someone like Zach Lowe. I want to read a competent column on this whole Biz thing from a journalist who talked to Clifford about benching Biz and his sources in our franchise first, then asked other GMs and coaches around the league about Biz, what he's shown on the court so far and how high they regard him and then went to watch some film to make his own conclusions about his shortcomings.

But, hey, you can't expect such a column when you have no beat reporter.

[KembaWalker]

it doesnt make sense. it isnt a quality of play thing or Zeller would be sitting next to Ben Gordon at the end of the bench. Bismack is much much better than Zeller. but obviously its not a off court issue because its Biz.

im lost

[Bassman]

Guys, I agree Biz has improved this season, but the owner has clearly pushed the front office and coaching staff to win games now. They didn't sign Big Al to the big deal to teach Biz how to play ball. Results are now the measure of playing time. This will hurt Biz' development unless he can deliver more value and impact than other players.

IS this a mistake? I think he needs more minutes, but I also think we need an impact SG and SF. The MKG and Biz picks continue to baffle me. Supposedly it was a close call on extending Biz (per Rick B), which tells me the staff are not convinced he will grow into much more than he is now. I agree with them. Biz is a shot blocker, an improved rebounder, but an average defender and poor offensive threat.

[ohara]

I have no idea what the coaching staff is doing here. But a 7-7 record means they are doing at least something right. We are a lot better than many teams right now. Gotta trust them to know what they are doing.

[Eoghan]

If Biz is relegated to garbage time with scrubs like Tolliver and Pargo then I'd rather they just trade him. They finally bring in a decent coaching staff with assistants that can actually develop players and then decide to limit the minutes of the players that need the most development, MKG and Biz. This "win-now" **** is a mistake, if they wanted to win now they shouldn't have drafted the youngest players in their respective drafts.

[JDR720]

it doesnt make sense. it isnt a quality of play thing or Zeller would be sitting next to Ben Gordon at the end of the bench. Bismack is much much better than Zeller. but obviously its not a off court issue because its Biz.

im lost

Cliff views Adrian and Biz as centers and Adrian is playing better at the moment so that means Biz goes to the bench

[JDR720]

If Biz is relegated to garbage time with scrubs like Tolliver and Pargo then I'd rather they just trade him. They finally bring in a decent coaching staff with assistants that can actually develop players and then decide to limit the minutes of the players that need the most development, MKG and Biz. This "win-now" **** is a mistake, if they wanted to win now they shouldn't have drafted the youngest players in their respective drafts.

yea playing a 27yr old mini big over your 21 year old #7 pick is dumb, if anyone should be benched its JT he has been horrible or send Zeller to D-League or even JT to D-League and play BG and Adrian can take over Zellers minutes,Zeller and JT can tear up the D-League and Adrian gets his mins along with Biz

[mrknowitall215]

I know it's a little peculiar right now to fans as to why Bismack Biyombo has been relegated to bench fodder behind Jeff Adrien just as he was finally beginning to show marginal improvement, but I look at this situation as a chance for him to improve among adversity. Biyombo will get his chance again soon, and he just need to be ready to contribute the same way Adrien was. Adrien went through the whole preseason, and a majority of the early season receiving DNP-CDs, he just stayed ready. It's possible that this may just be a tough love challenge from the coaches to make Biyombo prove that he belongs on the court just as much as any other player in the rotation instead of it being a given like it was the previous two seasons

[Eoghan]

Adrien was having back issues during preseason. He stayed wrapped with ice or heat during the Mavs game.

[Marvel]

I'd rather they just trade him. I'm ok with the win now, BUT not at the expense of developing our young players.

I want to read a competent column on this whole Biz thing from a journalist who talked to Clifford about benching Biz and his sources in our franchise first, then asked other GMs and coaches around the league about Biz, what he's shown on the court so far and how high they regard him and then went to watch some film to make his own conclusions about his shortcomings.

This would be good. A thorough video analysis with numbers to break down the true impact of Biz.

[thruthefire]

I guess we shouldn't be surprised. Jordan said before the season starter that if Biz wasn't giving the team what it wanted at backup center, they would look elsewhere.

It's frustrating, though, that all we have to show for 28 wins over two seasons is Biz (who doesn't play), Kemba (who isn't elite at a dime a dozen position), MKG (who is increasingly looking like the rookie version), and Zeller (who has yet to show any strengths at the NBA level).

[catch20two]

I find it weird that the last time Biz played meaningful minutes it was one of his better games of the season where he had 9 points on 4-6 shooting including a dunk on KG and 6 rebounds in 22 minutes. I would understand the benching more if he was coming off multiple stinkers like Zeller.

[Elden Payton]

My frustration with the Biyombo situation lies in the fact that this is the best version of Biyombo there has ever been and all of a sudden he's played 5 minutes in 2 games.

We've painstakingly watched Biyombo develop over the last 2 and a bit seasons and now all of a sudden he's not good enough to even feature in the rotation?

Obviously if it's only for a handful of games then whatever but he should never be DNP-CD.

Biyombo's points are down but he's the best he's ever been offensively.

Biyombo's blocks are down but he's the best he's ever been defensively.

Biyombo's rebounds are about the same but he's a much better rebounder than he has ever been.

It is impossible to root against Biyombo because he is humble, works hard, is so friendly and intelligent.

He should be playing over players who probably won't be on our team in 2-3 seasons.

Unless we're playing certain players to raise their value I cannot understand it.

[MKGsMotor]

I dont get it either. Biyombo was playing legitimately good, and you don't have to look at stats to know that. This is going to destroy his confidence, rhythm, and improvement.

****.

[lmcguir5]

For as much as we talk about players going through transitional periods, we don't often talk about the transitional period that coaches go through. After inheriting a team that has been in the basement of the NBA for 2 seasons, Clifford didnt get very much time to learn his team and their chemistry together.

He had the SL, which lets face it isnt a great help because the majority of our team doesnt participate per NBA rules and the preseason which was 7 ok games to get acclimated. For as much as I want Biz to play, and it is pretty high, I think Clifford is still finding out about the players and how they play together. Like somebody said, you can't be mad at Rocky for EARNING his minutes.

Let's just hope that Clifford begins to realize that Biz is the best rim-protector we have and quenching his minutes is not a good way to build confidence into a kid who is busting his ass. At some point he is going to have to realize that Jeff Taylor isn't the next Lance Stephenson and move on from him. Bottom line, MKG and Biz should be playing more. After all they are the face of reclamation seeing as they were the second and seventh overall picks in their respective drafts.