Rose's Injury Could Accelerate Strain Between Thibodeau, Management

[RealGM Wiretap]

Several players on the Chicago Bulls have allied with Tom Thibodeau "in his never-ending battle with the front office," according to reporting from Adrian Wojnarowski.

Derrick Rose and Luol Deng are said to also carry resentments with management.

The Bulls appear willing to lose Deng in free agency, choosing Jimmy Butler's impending extension.

Those close to Thibodeau wonder if his strained partnership with "his nemesis", Gar Forman, could end his tenure before his remaining two-plus seasons on his contract are up now that Rose will begin another rehab stint.

Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports

[Sam195]

haha, reinsdorf is cheap he would probably fire the gm over the coach just to save money. I'd love to see a former bulls player like steve kerr take control of the front office, he did a pretty good job in phoenix.

[alanwatts]

Why is it that the Bulls' boneheaded management always tries to alienate legendary coaches and players?

[Ax2SG]

It's fine by me. As a Chicago fan and Derrick being my favorite player, I'd be happy to see Thibs, Deng, and Rose leave Chi-Town. This team couldn't be managed worse.

[Tenbomber]

It's fine by me. As a Chicago fan and Derrick being my favorite player, I'd be happy to see Thibs, Deng, and Rose leave Chi-Town. This team couldn't be managed worse.

If Thibs hadn't taken that job, that team would never have had the measure of success that it has had the last few years.....

I would have rather had Thibs as the C's head coach ... but we had Rivers under contract at the time...Thibs was the brains behind Doc's success...He was responsible for the terrific defence that the C's played...And when he left, that defence suffered alot...all you have to do is look at how well Doc's Clippers play D?

If you are the Chicago management, You simply don't know when you have it good?

Its a shame what happened again to Rose....He has had some rotten luck!

How in the hell can they blame him for what has happened?... He plays his heart out every night....

[dice]

it is totally unprofessional for any player or coach to accept huge money from an employer and then turn around and criticize that employer for not paying gobs of luxury tax money to make their jobs easier. the bulls have one of the highest payrolls in the league and the CBA makes the luxury tax highly punitive, particularly for repeat offenders. the bulls paid the tax last season and rose still decided to sit the season out. he needs to keep his mouth shut and earn his massive contract

[Tenbomber]

it is totally unprofessional for any player or coach to accept huge money from an employer and then turn around and criticize that employer for not paying gobs of luxury tax money to make their jobs easier. the bulls have one of the highest payrolls in the league and the CBA makes the luxury tax highly punitive, particularly for repeat offenders. the bulls paid the tax last season and rose still decided to sit the season out. he needs to keep his mouth shut and earn his massive contract

All I can say is if you want to play, you've gotta pay....

These rich bastards that own these teams and overspend for their talent, usually get what they deserve....

Hows this for professional?

Reinsdorf should either **** or get off the pot.....

[FinnTheHuman]

It's fine by me. As a Chicago fan and Derrick being my favorite player, I'd be happy to see Thibs, Deng, and Rose leave Chi-Town. This team couldn't be managed worse.

If Thibs hadn't taken that job, that team would never have had the measure of success that it has had the last few years.....

I would have rather had Thibs as the C's head coach ... but we had Rivers under contract at the time...Thibs was the brains behind Doc's success...He was responsible for the terrific defence that the C's played...And when he left, that defence suffered alot...all you have to do is look at how well Doc's Clippers play D?

If you are the Chicago management, You simply don't know when you have it good?

Its a shame what happened again to Rose....He has had some rotten luck!

How in the hell can they blame him for what has happened?... He plays his heart out every night....

Wow, some serious ugly right in this post. So you expect Clippers to suddenly play great defense just because Doc has arrived? You know, when you get a new coach, players miraculously still stay the same. Their bodies don't grow, their arms don't extend, their defensive instincts do not improve. I don't see KG, Rondo, Green or Bradley playing D on that Clippers team, I see Reddick, Griffin, JCrawford, Dudley.

And of course, the D on Celtics after Thibs left didn't suffer too much, but it's arguable which were the factors.

[MKG35]

it is totally unprofessional for any player or coach to accept huge money from an employer and then turn around and criticize that employer for not paying gobs of luxury tax money to make their jobs easier. the bulls have one of the highest payrolls in the league and the CBA makes the luxury tax highly punitive, particularly for repeat offenders. the bulls paid the tax last season and rose still decided to sit the season out. he needs to keep his mouth shut and earn his massive contract

Who do we have here, mr. Good Guy?

Even though they are currently 4th in salaries, the Bulls have been very cheap over the past few years and have always been. Maybe you should read into that.

[Leto]

it is totally unprofessional for any player or coach to accept huge money from an employer and then turn around and criticize that employer for not paying gobs of luxury tax money to make their jobs easier. the bulls have one of the highest payrolls in the league and the CBA makes the luxury tax highly punitive, particularly for repeat offenders. the bulls paid the tax last season and rose still decided to sit the season out. he needs to keep his mouth shut and earn his massive contract

Who do we have here, mr. Good Guy?

Even though they are currently 4th in salaries, the Bulls have been very cheap over the past few years and have always been. Maybe you should read into that.

No. Dice is correct. And you don't really make any sense. You can't say they've been cheap while simultaneously saying they're 4th in salaries. That's like saying you're a broke billionaire.

Further, this magement team put the Bulls together to have the success that they've had--including Thibs--who THEY hired. They also drafted every player on the team except Boozer.

So, the idea that management is doing a bad job is laughable. Management built this team to be a championship contender. If not for injuries--which is not something they can control--they'd be competing for a title.

[MKG35]

No. Dice is correct. And you don't really make any sense. You can't say they've been cheap while simultaneously saying they're 4th in salaries. That's like saying you're a broke billionaire.

Further, this magement team put the Bulls together to have the success that they've had--including Thibs--who THEY hired. They also drafted every player on the team except Boozer.

So, the idea that management is doing a bad job is laughable. Management built this team to be a championship contender. If not for injuries--which is not something they can control--they'd be competing for a title.

I don't make any sense?

Go read some threads on the Bulls forum.

"In a quote from an article by Peter Gammons on ESPN.com before the Sox won the World Series in 2005, he said, "He would trade all his Bulls championship rings for one World Series ring.""


That's the attitude you are dealing with.

[Leto]

No. Dice is correct. And you don't really make any sense. You can't say they've been cheap while simultaneously saying they're 4th in salaries. That's like saying you're a broke billionaire.

Further, this magement team put the Bulls together to have the success that they've had--including Thibs--who THEY hired. They also drafted every player on the team except Boozer.

So, the idea that management is doing a bad job is laughable. Management built this team to be a championship contender. If not for injuries--which is not something they can control--they'd be competing for a title.

I don't make any sense?

Go read some threads on the Bulls forum.

"In a quote from an article by Peter Gammons on ESPN.com before the Sox won the World Series in 2005, he said, "He would trade all his Bulls championship rings for one World Series ring.""


That's the attitude you are dealing with.

That's a red herring. You have no coherent position.

[tcs10cu]

No. Dice is correct. And you don't really make any sense. You can't say they've been cheap while simultaneously saying they're 4th in salaries. That's like saying you're a broke billionaire.

Further, this magement team put the Bulls together to have the success that they've had--including Thibs--who THEY hired. They also drafted every player on the team except Boozer.

So, the idea that management is doing a bad job is laughable. Management built this team to be a championship contender. If not for injuries--which is not something they can control--they'd be competing for a title.

I don't make any sense?

Go read some threads on the Bulls forum.

"In a quote from an article by Peter Gammons on ESPN.com before the Sox won the World Series in 2005, he said, "He would trade all his Bulls championship rings for one World Series ring.""


That's the attitude you are dealing with.

That's a red herring. You have no coherent position.

Why are you sticking up for Reinsdorf? What is your position? Do you deny that the Bulls could be a better team if more money was being spent? Would the organization still not be profitable?

[dice]

Why are you sticking up for Reinsdorf? What is your position? Do you deny that the Bulls could be a better team if more money was being spent? Would the organization still not be profitable?

you could say that about any team that is currently profitable. the heat have a payroll only $5 mil higher than the bulls. why don't they spend more?

there is a damn good reason you won't see many teams touching the luxury tax going forward: it's not viable as a year-to-year strategy. the benefit is not worth the cost

if you're looking for a sport where the team who spends the most money wins, it's the perfect time to switch to baseball

know why the heat have been better than the bulls the past few years?

1) because wade, james and bosh are friends and wade was more than willing to recruit the other two
2) because south beach is a prime free agent destination, all other things being equal
3) because the heat's best player makes roughly the same amount of money as the bulls' best player and is significantly better at the game of basketball
4) injuries

if you'd like to try and blame the bulls FO for any of these things, have at it

[IDBall]

No. Dice is correct. And you don't really make any sense. You can't say they've been cheap while simultaneously saying they're 4th in salaries. That's like saying you're a broke billionaire.

Further, this magement team put the Bulls together to have the success that they've had--including Thibs--who THEY hired. They also drafted every player on the team except Boozer.

So, the idea that management is doing a bad job is laughable. Management built this team to be a championship contender. If not for injuries--which is not something they can control--they'd be competing for a title.

I don't make any sense?

Go read some threads on the Bulls forum.

"In a quote from an article by Peter Gammons on ESPN.com before the Sox won the World Series in 2005, he said, "He would trade all his Bulls championship rings for one World Series ring.""


That's the attitude you are dealing with.

That's a red herring. You have no coherent position.

Lol even I as a C's fan can tell you the Bulls have been notoriously cheap recently

[Leto]

You cannot claim someone has been "cheap recently" when they've paid the tax last year and their current salary is upwards of 80 million dollars this year--which they will again pay the tax for. Once again, that's like saying you're a broke billionaire. Its incoherent.

[IDBall]

You cannot claim someone has been "cheap recently" when they've paid the tax last year and their current salary is upwards of 80 million dollars this year--which they will again pay the tax for. Once again, that's like saying you're a broke billionaire. Its incoherent.

I don't think you understand how to run a team. Just because his incompetence led to him paying the luxury tax does not mean he is not cheap.

[Leto]

You cannot claim someone has been "cheap recently" when they've paid the tax last year and their current salary is upwards of 80 million dollars this year--which they will again pay the tax for. Once again, that's like saying you're a broke billionaire. Its incoherent.

I don't think you understand how to run a team. Just because his incompetence led to him paying the luxury tax does not mean he is not cheap.

That's your rationale, eh?

Stop digging. Your hole is getting deep now.

[IDBall]

You cannot claim someone has been "cheap recently" when they've paid the tax last year and their current salary is upwards of 80 million dollars this year--which they will again pay the tax for. Once again, that's like saying you're a broke billionaire. Its incoherent.

I don't think you understand how to run a team. Just because his incompetence led to him paying the luxury tax does not mean he is not cheap.

That's your rationale, eh?

Stop digging. Your hole is getting deep now.

It's funny to see you defending him so much, when Bulls fans themselves would tell you you're wrong. Because the Bulls have a high payroll means he's a good owner? Terrible logic.

[Leto]

The Bulls were one of the best teams in the league and coming into this season many had them pegged to take down Miami more than any other team had a chance too. Those are facts. That makes them a good FO.

OTOH, your claim is they're a bad FO because, you say, they're incompetent for paying the luxury tax--which makes zero sense. Of course, that came after your stellar rationale that the Bulls are "cheap" even though they actually have been paying the tax. You're basically completely incoherent. Nothing that you claim in any way reflects reality or facts. Fact #1 The Bulls FO put together a championship caliber team Fact # 2 They did so knowing they'd be paying the luxury tax. Fact #3 Facts 1 and 2 are in direct contradiction to your incoherent claims.