The Trade Thread

[Piston Pete]

I think he thought you meant Chandler Parsons....easy mixup


1) Stuckey/Monroe to Orlando for Tobias Harris/Afflalo?

2) Stuckey/Singler/2nd to Denver for Chandler/Fournier

[Blkbrd671]

Jennings, Monroe, Stuckey for Green+ Rondo

[joseph mamah]

are starting to clutter up the board?

Where have you been?

im not usually one to start a thread, but it was starting to get a little ridiculous.

[Notanoob]

First of all, Harrelson could play 10 minutes easily. That leaves 24 minutes unaccounted for. Ibaka can play 5-10 minutes at C no problem and that wouldnt put a hamper on his game. That leaves 16-20 minutes for a veteran C like Okafor or Kwame Brown to cover. Again no problem. Can I imagine Ibaka playing 36 minutes against Dwight, Bogut (if healthy), or Gasol? No, but he wont have to. And honestly what other C's are there in the West. Miami probably will come out of the East again who is their center? Chris Bosh. Stop making the trading of both centers a big deal. They are not trading the anchor of their defense in Tyson Chandler. They are trading garbage **** Perkins and a rookie, give me a break.

Can you do math? There are 48 minutes in a game. You're rotation of centers leaves 14 minutes unaccounted for. If you have them trade away Perk and Adams, then they're forced to play some combination of Ibaka (already getting about 3 minutes at C), Jorts (scrub), Thabeet (dog$hit, also already playing 9 minutes a game) and Kwame Brown (so bad the 76ers cut him, ie also dog$hit) for 48 minutes. That's godawful. Any team with a real C will obliterate them inside.

Second, no matter how cheap Adams is, he doesnt come near to producing what Smith could put up on a team like OKC and no he wouldnt be able to chuck within that offense not with Westbrook and Durant taking up 80% of shots. He would become far more efficient by default.

Chuckers chuck. If he has the opportunity to take a shot, he'll take it. He'll still be inefficient, just on smaller volume, because the ball will be out of his hands. That'll also limit his production in terms of assists, since he'll be handling the ball less.

Third, yes Durant is extremely upset. He lost Harden when OKC could have just amnestied Perkins. They didnt even attempt to resign Martin. The management went into this season thinking Lamb and Adams would pick up the slack left by Harden then Martin, a joke. That's a spit in the face of KD.

Smith gives OKC another offensive threat, a great defender, and most importantly another big player who would make OKC better than they were with Perkins/Adams and last year with Martin.

Ibaka is a better shooter and a better defender than Smith, and that is want they want. Smith is just a ton of money taking away minutes from an ideal role player. And OKC has KD locked up for a few years, they don't have to panic and try and make him happy now.

Finally, Orlando can't find any comparable or better deal. Name a team that can trade an expiring contract that is not a trash player and will actually contribute along with a top 10 pick? You suggest they trade him to a contender for a late 1st round pick and expirings how does that help them at all? Orlando also dumps Davis. No one is giving up a 1st for him. Here the Magic get pure expirings for him. Sorry no they cant do better.

They can do better. Afflalo is a huge value, being at a position where there are scarce options, for a solid contract (not an overpay), and is an ideal SG. They already have Oladipo at SG, why would they want another SG prospect? And they can just keep BBD, there's no need to move him. He's not good enough to hurt their tank and they are in no need to dump salary. They aren't going to be signing free agents next year since they won't be contending yet, and BBD isn't taking up that much anyways.

Edit: You also mention that we are taking on extra salary. Smith gets paid 13.5M and Davis, Perkins, Adams get paid 16.5M. Afflalo makes 2M less than Stuckey and Mitchell thus canceling out the extra 3M we are spending on the bigs. We can still resign Monroe (yeh we would be over the tax but Gores can and will pay it)

I only wish I could somehow send this trade to the three teams involved

What makes you think that Gores will spend into the tax? Don't you remember the Ben Gordon trade? We sent away a first round pick just to cut salary so less money was coming out of his pocket. We're taking on an extra $8,065,237 next year. Monroe already going to command a max deal. We'll have less leverage trading Monroe. That's bad.

[joseph mamah]

OKC isn't trading Adams for Smith, that would almost be the equivalent of us trading Dre for Rudy Gay last year.

[coolness]

1. Will Bynum for Kirk Hinrich
sb said it. I LOVE it. 3 point shooting, size, and pretty sure...more consistent
Not sure if Chicago would love it,but I would throw in 2nd's if it helped.
trade checker says it won't work, but shamsports has Kirk's salary as less than 150% of Will's.

2. Peyton Siva and Tony Mitchell for Austin Daye
back-up shooting at the 2/3/4
he had some good +/- for us for whatever reason
one of the sweetest strokes ever if he ends up with consistent minutes
this could be a 3-team trade or whatever. don't care
we might get 2nd's along with Daye

3. Josh Smith and Jonas Jerebko for Pau Gasol
then we have a true 3 big-rotation. and it would be scary.
would definitely have to be a 3-team trade, but I think we are bringing the value.
I would add 2nd's too

If those 3 trades happened, I don't see how we wouldn't contend.

Guards: BJ, Kirk, Chauncey, Stuckey, KCP
passing, shooting, defense, size are all at least solid when you take them together

SF: Daye, Singler, Datome
just shooting, but KCP and Stuck might get some of these minutes. they might not need to.
they could end up being stretch 4's as well

Bigs: Drummond, Moose, Gasol, Harrelson, CV
best 3-big rotation in the L.
2 scrubs who stretch the floor
Gasol would go from declining starter to all-pro sub.


And Gasol would get a pay-cut next off-season to possibly make cap/roster flexibility.

[joseph mamah]

if we trade Mitchell, I hope we do a little better than Austin Daye.

[kurtis48239]

I understand why people are down on josh,because hes playing at sf and chucking 3s but when hes at his natural position at pf hes a pretty good 2 way player.

Moose on the other hand isnt a good 2 way player at pf,hes game is much better suited at the 5,but the thing is we have dre there and you dont want to put dre back on the bench and you certainly dont want moose there considering hes going to get maxed out after this season,they both would think it a smack in the face.

So what do you do,trade smith and keep moose at pf (when its clear smith is the better player at the 4),but moose is younger and hopefuly he gets better at the defense end (which with his athleticism and few years in the NBA I dont think he will get much better at.)

What to do ???...

[ComboGuardCity]

Moose has actually not been the problem on defense this year. He's checking the opposing teams best big.


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[DetroitDon15]

I think he thought you meant Chandler Parsons....easy mixup


1) Stuckey/Monroe to Orlando for Tobias Harris/Afflalo?

2) Stuckey/Singler/2nd to Denver for Chandler/Fournier

Can we stop the Affalo talk. I don't want him. Can't we just give KCP a chance first?

[Piston Pete]

I think he thought you meant Chandler Parsons....easy mixup


1) Stuckey/Monroe to Orlando for Tobias Harris/Afflalo?

2) Stuckey/Singler/2nd to Denver for Chandler/Fournier

Can we stop the Affalo talk. I don't want him. Can't we just give KCP a chance first?

Why not both?

Trade for Afflalo to start for the time being and mentor KCP. In a year or two, hopefully KCP passes up AA.

[joeposh]

2. Peyton Siva and Tony Mitchell for Austin Daye
back-up shooting at the 2/3/4
he had some good +/- for us for whatever reason
one of the sweetest strokes ever if he ends up with consistent minutes
this could be a 3-team trade or whatever. don't care
we might get 2nd's along with Daye

This whole scenario can't be serious right? Daye as our starting SF? I'm out.

[DetroitDon15]

I think he thought you meant Chandler Parsons....easy mixup


1) Stuckey/Monroe to Orlando for Tobias Harris/Afflalo?

2) Stuckey/Singler/2nd to Denver for Chandler/Fournier

Can we stop the Affalo talk. I don't want him. Can't we just give KCP a chance first?

Why not both?

Trade for Afflalo to start for the time being and mentor KCP. In a year or two, hopefully KCP passes up AA.

I can't see us getting Afflalo without giving up KCP. I'm not sure DNP-CV plus Mitchell and Siva could get it done.

[coolness]

Detroit/Milwaukee/Toronto

I don't care if there is a 4th team or we give up 2nd's or get 2nd's. We're giving up enough to get 2nd's from my pov. Because we're giving up Monroe.

Det out: P.Siva, W.Bynum, J.Jerebko, T.Mitchell, G.Monroe
Det in: C.Delfino, A.Daye, A.Johnson, J.Henson

Why? 2 guys we don't use and 2 who mostly bring us down and Greg Monroe leave.
We get back 2 shooters at the 2/3/4 while giving up zero.
and two guys who play the 4/5 and block shots to replace Monroe for depth, while Smoove starts at pf.


Trade #2
Stuckey and Chuckles
for
Jameer and Afflalo

Why? I don't think Orlando can complain about all that cap and Stuck is playing great.
We get a true pg off the bench and a 3/D sg who has his groove back.
I would throw in 2nd's too, but I think it's very close as is.

Our squad would be complete and balanced. Hopefully they would be good enough. Drummond could become the superstar imo and lead us to the land of kick-rectum.


Jennings, Nelson, Billups
Afflalo, KCP
Delfino, Singler, Daye, Datome
Smoove, Amir
Drummond, Henson, Harrelson

Could be like recent Atlanta Hawks playoff teams but with a better sg and a much better bench.

[coolness]

2. Peyton Siva and Tony Mitchell for Austin Daye
back-up shooting at the 2/3/4
he had some good +/- for us for whatever reason
one of the sweetest strokes ever if he ends up with consistent minutes
this could be a 3-team trade or whatever. don't care
we might get 2nd's along with Daye

This whole scenario can't be serious right? Daye as our starting SF? I'm out.

I did not mean that he would start. Probably Singler. KCP, Datome and maybe Stuckey challenge too.

But I LOVE Austin Daye's shot.

[sfballa13]

This has to be some kind of joke right? Austin Daye? LMFAO

[coolness]

This has to be some kind of joke right? Austin Daye? LMFAO

Datome and Harrelson are on the team and not necessarily in our top 10.

Poop and WillyB are on the team and it's flat-out hazard.

Siva and Mitchell don't even play essentially.

Chuckles exists and that is pretty scary.

But yes, I'm TOTALLY joking that a team with 13-15 guys could include Austin Daye and leave open the possibility for him earning minutes while being a good team. Austin Daye has an awful stroke and didn't have good +/- numbers for us. He didn't break the NBA record for most 3's made consecutively. Blah, blah, blah.

Sometimes, I think people are looking for e-status by repeating the weirdness of others.

[coolness]

And I take it as a meaningless compliment that somebody could see 2 fanboy trades preceded by 2 other fanboy trades and the only complaint is that Austin Daye exists as a reserve.

[princeofpalace]

Here are my trades to fix the team

1) Trade Charlie Villanueva/Kyle Singler to WAS for Martell Webster
Why for us? We need a productive SF. Why for WAS- with Ariza playing so well and drafting Porter, they really don't need Webster and may look to clear his salary. Besides, Wall has been pining for a faceup 4-which is exactly what CV is.

2) Detroit trades Josh Smith, Jonas Jerebko to Denver for Danilo Gallinari, JJ Hickson
Why for us? We need a sharpshooter and Gallo is that guy. Why for Denver? They have a SF glut and Smith can give them defense and toughness. Its a gamble for us since we don't know how quickly Gallo can rehab but I think he's the perfect SF to pair with Monroe/Drummond.

We become:

Jennings/Bynum/Siva
KCP/Stuckey/Billups
Webster/Gallo/Datome
Monroe/Hickson/Mitchell
Drummond/Monroe/Harrelson

This is a deeper and more balanced team.

[russkopp]

All I'm thinking is we need to make space for guys playing out of position. Smith is a 4 playing the 3. Moose is a 5 playing a 4. With Dre at the 5, I think the only move is to move moose. Smith was too good, especially defensively, in Atlanta as a 4. Any trade involving him MUST bring us a 2 or 3 who can SHOOT. If this happens we will see an improvement.

Rondo/green for Jennings and Monroe - yes
Moose for Gallo or Wilson chandler - yes
Moose for someone like Jeff Green by himself - no

Obviously there's filler involved in these as well.