Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #321 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:53 pm

whitehops wrote:I've seen some people name Caldwell-pope in some packages with Villanueva or stuckey, but I assure you the pistons would never go for that.

as great as KCP would be on the bulls (he's an absolute pitbull on defense) the pistons are short on guards and shooters as it is and KCP has looked promising.

How are they short on guards? They have -

KCP
Billups
Jennings
Stuckey
Bynum
Siva

whitehops · Post #322 » by **whitehops** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:57 pm

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:
whitehops wrote:I've seen some people name Caldwell-pope in some packages with Villanueva or stuckey, but I assure you the pistons would never go for that.

as great as KCP would be on the bulls (he's an absolute pitbull on defense) the pistons are short on guards and shooters as it is and KCP has looked promising.

How are they short on guards? They have -

KCP
Billups
Jennings
Stuckey
Bynum
Siva

sorry. nba-quality guards.

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #323 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:00 pm

whitehops wrote:
JohnnyKILLroy wrote:
whitehops wrote:I've seen some people name Caldwell-pope in some packages with Villanueva or stuckey, but I assure you the pistons would never go for that.

as great as KCP would be on the bulls (he's an absolute pitbull on defense) the pistons are short on guards and shooters as it is and KCP has looked promising.

How are they short on guards? They have -

KCP
Billups
Jennings
Stuckey
Bynum
Siva

sorry. nba-quality guards.

KCP is playing the worst of all their guards.... :lol:

Chi town · Post #324 » by **Chi town** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:55 pm

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:
whitehops wrote:
JohnnyKILLroy wrote:
How are they short on guards? They have -

KCP
Billups
Jennings
Stuckey
Bynum
Siva

sorry. nba-quality guards.

KCP is playing the worst of all their guards....

I am intrigued by KCP but he has looked pretty bad this season.

I still like Waiters and filler for Deng.

League Circles · Post #325 » by **League Circles** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:53 am

Luol Deng is our best player and probably has the least trade value among our core right now.

I'm really confused why a team short on talent and scoring needs to automatically give up our most talented healthy player who is one of our best scorers.

Maybe instead of dump our best player we should keep our best player?

Meanwhile joakim noah and jimmy butler are sadly considered untouchable by many fans.

SMH

Post #326 » by **Rerisen** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:55 am

Gar Paxdorf wrote:Maybe instead of dump our best player we should keep our best player?

That he's our best player is kind of the problem with the team though. :-?

BullsFTW · Post #327 » by **BullsFTW** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:56 am

Ralphb07 wrote:
Googjob wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:I 100% disagree with you. First we have no MARCO or NATE like last year. That is going to hurt us big time. 2nd there was always hope Derrick would return, not the case this year. Also you trade Deng and Snell plays 25 minutes a night now. Also you have to count injuries. Overall losing Deng and Rose this team misses the playoffs.

Who makes it over the Bulls? Even without Deng and Rose, this team is still the 6th or 7th best team in the conference.

Washington, Cleveland NYK and BK all could if we get rid of Deng, especially if Deng goes to Cleveland or Washington.

Would the Cavs and Wizards offer their Unprotected 2014 Pick for Deng?

League Circles · Post #328 » by **League Circles** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:59 am

Rerisen wrote:
Gar Paxdorf wrote:Maybe instead of dump our best player we should keep our best player?

That he's our best player is kind of the problem with the team though.

Dumping him just makes an even worse player move up the hierarchy though.

AAU Teammate · Post #329 » by **AAU Teammate** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:59 am

Gar Paxdorf wrote:
Maybe instead of dump our best player we should keep our best player?

Luol is my favorite Bull, but the time is now to make any organization-first move that comes along. If it's the right move, you do it. Championships come first.

I am with you on Noah, though. Fans are overvaluing him here.

As far as Butler, it'd have to be a deal worthy of his upside/cost-effectiveness. It's so crazy to me that we STILL havent seen Jimmy play alongside a real PG.

TankJob · Post #330 » by **TankJob** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:07 am

Nobody is overvaluing Noah. He is a top 5-7 C in the league on a very cap friendly contract, in his prime and would be extremely hard to replace.

Also, he is better than Deng.

Deng needs to be traded since he is not staying with the Bulls past this season. It's all very simple to understand really.

Post #331 » by **kulaz3000** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:09 am

Googjob wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:Washington, Cleveland NYK and BK all could if we get rid of Deng, especially if Deng goes to Cleveland or Washington.

Brooklyn is 3-10 and on the verge of imploding. New York is 3-9 and missing their best defensive player for another couple months. Cleveland will likely be 4-11 after tonight and look abysmal offensively. You're assuming all 3 of those teams have a massive turnaround which I find unlikely. And even if that all happens, the Bulls still fall into the 8th seed and miss the lottery.

There is absolutely no reason to trade him to NYK or Brooklyn because we aren't going of value for them, those two teams don't have picks to give up for years.

Best beat would be to call teams like the Cavs, Wizards and Kings who have been bottom feeders for years and who could likely be convinced to skip one year out of the lottery, or for our sake the 'possibility' of being a playoff team but not.

Post #332 » by **kulaz3000** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:14 am

Gar Paxdorf wrote:Luol Deng is our best player and probably has the least trade value among our core right now.

I'm really confused why a team short on talent and scoring needs to automatically give up our most talented healthy player who is one of our best scorers.

Maybe instead of dump our best player we should keep our best player?

Meanwhile joakim noah and jimmy butler are sadly considered untouchable by many fans.

SMH

I've echoed that same thing in regards to Deng and his value because of his unrestricted free agent status, but there are teams that could take a gamble, and it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility. Look at the Sixers did with Bynum, and yeah, perhaps that takes the Sixers out of the running for teams to call, but all I'm saying is that you put out that carrot, get Deng's agent involved to do a side agreement in terms of resigning with that team after the season and then you have a deal.

It's not the most ideal situation in terms of negotiations go, at least in favor of the Bulls, but in terms of getting at least something of value for him, it's possible, but we'll likely have to move fast because by trading deadline most of bad teams faith in the season would likely be gone and they'd probably already be preparing for the lottery. We need to act now, and act fast and take advantage of some of the crappy teams willingness to turn things around.

kyrv · Post #333 » by **kyrv** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:17 am

I do think Deng might be the biggest loser in the Rose injury, granted he may end up getting paid and have a nice new team but as far as staying with the Bulls, things are aligned, well, not very well.

Not really sure Deng is better than Noah, Noah would get more in my opinion and there are reasons for that beyond the contracts.

Red Larrivee · Post #334 » by **Red Larrivee** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:21 am

I would entertain dealing Noah because of his value at a premium position on a fair contract. However, I agree the Bulls aren't going to go that far.

If Noah keeps playing like he is now, the Bulls won't have trouble bottoming out. Noah just looks out of rhythm and gassed.

It's essential to trade Deng and I would want to get out of Taj's deal as well. After watching the past two games, that would probably be enough to be pretty bad.

Post #335 » by **Rerisen** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:21 am

kyrv wrote:I do think Deng might be the biggest loser in the Rose injury, granted he may end up getting paid and have a nice new team but as far as staying with the Bulls, things are aligned, well, not very well.

Deng doesn't like us anymore anyway says the grapevine.

He may not be all that sad about how things turn out.

TheStig · Post #336 » by **TheStig** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:22 am

kyrv wrote:I do think Deng might be the biggest loser in the Rose injury, granted he may end up getting paid and have a nice new team but as far as staying with the Bulls, things are aligned, well, not very well.

Not really sure Deng is better than Noah, Noah would get more in my opinion and there are reasons for that beyond the contracts.

I don't think it was going to work out for Deng regardless. It seemed like it was title or bust and the odds were in favor of bust.

Mapelgleaf · Post #337 » by **Mapelgleaf** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:25 am

The plot thickens...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/bulls/2013/11/25/derrick-rose-knee-injury-chicago-future-luol-deng-free-agency/3706267/

ChiefILL53 · Post #338 » by **ChiefILL53** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:27 am

Well Derrick Williams is going to Sac for Mbah Moute so theres that

Post #339 » by **Rerisen** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:30 am

Mapelgleaf wrote:The plot thickens...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/bulls/2013/11/25/derrick-rose-knee-injury-chicago-future-luol-deng-free-agency/3706267/

Derrick Rose injury won't change Chicago Bulls' plans

No, but the team losing a lot might.

kyrv · Post #340 » by **kyrv** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:33 am

Rerisen wrote:
kyrv wrote:I do think Deng might be the biggest loser in the Rose injury, granted he may end up getting paid and have a nice new team but as far as staying with the Bulls, things are aligned, well, not very well.

Deng doesn't like us anymore anyway says the grapevine.

He may not be all that sad about how things turn out.

Well imo good chance he's just butthurt about the contract. Money would cure that, at least history shows us. The only known rift is they didn't give him what he wanted, which his agent should have told him, their smart move is not extending him then. Wait did I say smart agent?