Time to be honest about Iman Shumpert

[GONYK]

hes clearly stressing...this is not a clear reflection of his skills... Woodson must go

I'm not seeing what one has to do with the other

[Knicks_Fan2]

He's not as good as we all thought he was but he's also not this bad, either--something is really wrong with him mentally.

[god shammgod]

Boy we really do turn quickly on our players,,typical New York fan base. As I recall everyone was hyped over this kid as a rookie and excited about his return year 2, with his improved jumper.

Now he's had a bad start and the entire Knicks misfortunes are his fault. Now he's not even worth an empty can of tuna fish. Dam.

not all his fault. and i think we'd live with any mistakes he made on offense, any missed shots. but you're in the league because of defense and energy. that's your skill and you can always do that. but he's not.

[Fat Kat]

In Ronnie Brewer's best year, he put up 13.7 points with 1.7 steals a game, with good defense. I'd be happy to get that from Shump.

[Buggin Out]

I really wish Shump didn't make those 3's against Indiana in the playoffs. It's got him having way to high expectations on him self due to Knicks fans and the media. The problem with this team is that everyone wants to do everything instead of sticking to what helps the team or what they are good at.

Shump shouldn't care about offense at all. Just focus on Defense and making 3 point shots. He needs to stop gambling to get steals and play solid help and man to man D for however long he is on the court. Also Shump needs stop dribbling the ball and driving to the basket. He is a bad ballhandler and the worst finisher on the team and he needs to realize this. Shump doesn't need to be a 2nd, 3rd or even 4th or 5th option. He just needs to be a glue guy and a role player that's what we need. If he does this I'll love him again.

[LBnySuaveJav23]

Shumpert dissed potato salad last summer when he said it wasn't a traditional salad, which provoked the ire of Dolan and Woodson. Shump has been in a funk and the subject of trade rumors ever since, as per sources /green

[Clyde_Style]

Anyone judging Shumpert on this season is pretty cavalier in their opinions. He clearly is rattled by the trade talk and is not playing well. He was better in the playoffs than he is now and I doubt that means he is simply regressing.

His head is not in the game. He is playing in a nuthouse after all. Most of you would be walking around mumbling to yourselves like a crazy person in the same situation.

[Big FatKAT]

hes clearly stressing...this is not a clear reflection of his skills... Woodson must go

not that woodson shouldn't go but how does that connect ?

\the team doesnt respond...a non responding team... doesnt play well a team slumping easily leads to a player slumping especially a young player..

[MaseInYourFace]

On the other hand what do we have to lose by keeping him? Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. This team ain't winning a chip anyway. No reason not to keep a decent player on the cheap.

[Rezelby]

remember when people on this forum said he was going to be the next Dwayne Wade?

Good times, good times

[Deeeez Knicks]

Time to be honest?

Shump was way overhyped as a rookie, failed to live up to the superstar expectations right away and now people are disappointed.

He can still be a solid player and the kind of player you want on your team, but everyone looks bad in a poorly coached trade rumor filled toxic environment like this. He's being put in a position to fail.

Its the typical cycle of a young player on the Knicks. Next step is that he will be traded for scraps, he will find a role somewhere else, and people will regret that we gave him away. The same damn things happen with this team over and over and over and over.

that part rarely happens

Ariza, Lee, Nate, Lin....some people still wish we had Gallo and Chandler too.

It doesnt happen all the time, but I see Shump being in the mold of Ariza more then Balkman.

[ChildOfKemp]

I don't think he'll ever be a superstar but like others have said I think a lot of his regression this year has to do with trade rumors. That can get to a player, especially one that's as young as Shump is, no matter how much he says it doesn't.

[MaseInYourFace]

It's clearly bothered him. His demeanor ain't the same but that might be because of all the losing as well.

[Workforce250]

Boy we really do turn quickly on our players,,typical New York fan base. As I recall everyone was hyped over this kid as a rookie and excited about his return year 2, with his improved jumper.

Now he's had a bad start and the entire Knicks misfortunes are his fault. Now he's not even worth an empty can of tuna fish. Dam.

not all his fault. and i think we'd live with any mistakes he made on offense, any missed shots. but you're in the league because of defense and energy. that's your skill and you can always do that. but he's not.

You know, I've seen him overplay his man over and over again. But for real, how many deflections does he have, alot, only to be let down by mindless defensive lapses by his teammates. Really, who else on defense is committed? Noone is hyped on defense right now, noone: Not even Metta. I personally like THJ's defensive energy ( then tell me how he gets ignored in the corner by JR), how does this lack of confidence in him by JR, translates to positive energy on the defensive side. Shump is a gifted player being drained by a lack of defensive comittment by his teammates. You get him on a defensive oriented team and the Knick fan base will regret trading him. Trust me.

Defensive energy has alot to do with emotion, whether that's anger or whatever motivates you.

[Big FatKAT]

hes clearly stressing...this is not a clear reflection of his skills... Woodson must go

I'm not seeing what one has to do with the other

so the contentious environment of a nonresponding losing team would not directly influence a young player?

[Deeeez Knicks]

Time to be honest?

Shump was way overhyped as a rookie, failed to live up to the superstar expectations right away and now people are disappointed.

He can still be a solid player and the kind of player you want on your team, but everyone looks bad in a poorly coached trade rumor filled toxic environment like this. He's being put in a position to fail.

Its the typical cycle of a young player on the Knicks. Next step is that he will be traded for scraps, he will find a role somewhere else, and people will regret that we gave him away. The same damn things happen with this team over and over and over and over.

Superstar expectations? Dude doesn't even look like an average starter.

Why do you make it sound like an average starter is bad? If Shump turns into an average starter that would be good. Thats about what you hope for with a mid/late pick.

[GONYK]

hes clearly stressing...this is not a clear reflection of his skills... Woodson must go

I'm not seeing what one has to do with the other

so the contentious environment of a nonresponding losing team would not directly influence a young player?

You're assuming the only difference between a winning environment and a losing environment is Woodson.

You're also assuming that Shump's entire reason for being in the NBA, defense, should be affected by anything else but his lack of effort.

[Workforce250]

[quote="ChildOfKemp"]I don't think he'll ever be a superstar but like others have said I think a lot of his regression this year has to do with trade rumors. That can get to a player, especially one that's as young as Shump is, no matter how much he says it doesn't.[/quote

I agree, of course, this kid loves New York and it has to bother him. It has to. People can't just say, "it's part of an NBA player's life and not take the emotional part into the equation.

He has the gifts to be a regular all-defensive mention. But the rumors and losing has gotten to him. He must feel that the fan base is relating the losses to only him for not doing more. But there's no glue on this team right now.

[Johnny Hoops]

He's a below average 2 guard and a decent rotation player at best. He has shown little to no improvement since his rookie year and has regressed as a shooter. His ball-handling is terrible and defensively has been as bad as everyone on this team. Going 0'fer on the stat sheet in 20 plus minutes of play is inexcusable for a NBA player, never mind a starter. Trade rumors don't create terrible play on that level.

Fact is he was overhyped by most Knick fans for a) having a cool haircut b) having a cool personality c) being athletic. He showed some flashes in his rookie year but its clear he won't show much more than that. Definitely not untradeable as one of our few viable assets.

No, No but he's a future all-star in training -- he's untouchable. How could we trade the best defensive player in the NBA?

[Big FatKAT]

I'm not seeing what one has to do with the other

so the contentious environment of a nonresponding losing team would not directly influence a young player?

You're assuming the only difference between a winning environment and a losing environment is Woodson.

You're also assuming that Shump's entire reason for being in the NBA, defense, should be affected by anything else but his lack of effort.

the identity of the team is set by the coach... watching a game its clear we do not have an identity... ala Woodson... clear we have no discipline as well.. yes sports are a great deal psychological when you startsecond guessing yourself their is hesitation..