Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng

Pnjguy · Post #421 » by **Pnjguy** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:45 pm

Deng

for

Jack, Clark, Gee, Dellavedova, Top 10 protected 1st rounder.

Jack is a solid combo guard that can dribble, on a reasonable contract, the rest are expiring contracts.

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #422 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:46 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:
JohnnyKILLroy wrote:
Proven_Winner wrote:
Trading for him this early would give cleveland time to convince him to stay and show him that the team is on the verge of making the playoffs. We've seen this in the past with Iggy. Denver could have just waited for him but instead they traded for him so its not impossible to want to trade for an expiring. Plus what else does Cleveland have to offer us other than that pick.

They're 4-10, they're not on the verge of the playoffs.

Deng picks his destiny. Being one of the better players in free agency do you really in your right mind think Cleveland is an option?

I think Deng is going to take the highest offer he gets. Like 90% of free agents.

Yes but other teams can pay him what he wants and they're in a better position going forward than the Cavs.

Mech Engineer · Post #423 » by **Mech Engineer** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:46 pm

whodey wrote:
Mech Engineer wrote:I think Houston is a good place for Deng. He provides the extra rebounding after Dwight to Harden's chucking. Plus, he has to play without the ball anyways at Houston which is good for him. The salary matching is the problem. But, they do have some picks which they can give.

I also think many teams will trade for Deng after they put a lottery protection of Top 5 or 6.

I doubt it, Houston already has a better option in Parsons. He's a better shooter and ball handler which they need for spacing.

Deng can play the stretch 4 type and SF in different line-ups. He is versatile and while Parsons might be good, Deng has a lot more to offer. But, it is more to do with salaries, contracts which might be the problem, IMO for a trade.

BossHoggin · Post #424 » by **BossHoggin** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:47 pm

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:I think Deng wants to win and get paid. I think other teams are better options for that. Yes he could go Cleveland but if you're Cleveland why risk it and give up a pick when you can just sign him outright. If they keep playing bad it would be better to add Deng and a draft pick.

someone finally gets it. The Cavs don't operate like the Knicks.

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #425 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:48 pm

Chi town wrote:i've always said that CLE seems like the most likely landing spot. They reportedly really wanted Deng during the draft but didn't want to give up their #1 pick. Now Bennet looks worse than the Darko debacle.

CLE could give us savings, a solid pick, or a young player like Waiters.

My question is whether the Bulls want to pay Waiters the money on his contract for two more seasons after this or if they value pure space and a decent pick for him.

I think Cleveland might be souring on Waiters and he could be more likely to go than a 1st round pick.

Proven_Winner · Post #426 » by **Proven_Winner** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:48 pm

Mech Engineer wrote:
whodey wrote:
Mech Engineer wrote:I think Houston is a good place for Deng. He provides the extra rebounding after Dwight to Harden's chucking. Plus, he has to play without the ball anyways at Houston which is good for him. The salary matching is the problem. But, they do have some picks which they can give.

I also think many teams will trade for Deng after they put a lottery protection of Top 5 or 6.

I doubt it, Houston already has a better option in Parsons. He's a better shooter and ball handler which they need for spacing.

Deng can play the stretch 4 type and SF in different line-ups. He is versatile and while Parsons might be good, Deng has a lot more to offer. But, it is more to do with salaries, contracts which might be the problem, IMO for a trade.

I think if we trade Deng to Houston the Bulls would want Parsons as part of the deal.

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #427 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:51 pm

Parsons for Deng would never happen I don't think. When you factor age, skill set, and salary - Parsons is a much better fit for what Houston does.

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #428 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:53 pm

Parsons might be the best contract in the NBA. If not the best then definitely one of the best.

Mech Engineer · Post #429 » by **Mech Engineer** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:57 pm

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:Parsons for Deng would never happen I don't think. When you factor age, skill set, and salary - Parsons is a much better fit for what Houston does.

Might be true. But, also Houston is in a win-now mode like the Bulls championship window and we as Bulls fans know all about injuries to derail the window. Houston has 2/3 years to win. When you assemble stars, the worst mistake to make is wait for 3/4 extra years for some young kids to mature or grow before they contend especially if they are role players.

The main goal of GarPax should be to start a competition from more than 1 team for Deng and that much is easily possible.

bad knees · Post #430 » by **bad knees** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:00 pm

I think it's important to trade Deng soon, so that:

(1) the club getting him still thinks it has a chance this season to be respectable/good if only it gets a good dose of Lu's defense and winning mindset;

(2) the club getting him gets 5/6 of the season out of their rental as opposed to 1/2.

Cleveland and Milwaukee are the only teams that are trying to be good, and also have the ability to trade a 2014 pick. They also are a bit loopy in their thinking. I like Bynum/1st from Cleveland, and Caron Butler/Luke Ridnour from Milwaukee.

Gray Poster · Post #431 » by **Gray Poster** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:00 pm

Pnjguy wrote:Deng

for

Jack, Clark, Gee, Dellavedova, Top 10 protected 1st rounder.

Jack is a solid combo guard that can dribble, on a reasonable contract, the rest are expiring contracts.

Bulls would not want Jack and his 3yr/19M contract. Waiters is more likely to be included in that group, but the Bulls do not have the room on the roster. Waiters, Clark and the protected pick would do it, unless they hate Bynum and go Bynum and the pick.

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #432 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:02 pm

Mech Engineer wrote:
JohnnyKILLroy wrote:Parsons for Deng would never happen I don't think. When you factor age, skill set, and salary - Parsons is a much better fit for what Houston does.

Might be true. But, also Houston is in a win-now mode like the Bulls championship window and we as Bulls fans know all about injuries to derail the window. Houston has 2/3 years to win. When you assemble stars, the worst mistake to make is wait for 3/4 extra years for some young kids to mature or grow before they contend especially if they are role players.

The main goal of GarPax should be to start a competition from more than 1 team for Deng and that much is easily possible.

Parsons is not some up and coming kid. He's ballin right now to the tune of less than a mil...

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #433 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:04 pm

bad knees wrote:I think it's important to trade Deng soon, so that:

(1) the club getting him still thinks it has a chance this season to be respectable/good if only it gets a good dose of Lu's defense and winning mindset;

(2) the club getting him gets 5/6 of the season out of their rental as opposed to 1/2.

Cleveland and Milwaukee are the only teams that are trying to be good, and also have the ability to trade a 2014 pick. They also are a bit loopy in their thinking. I like Bynum/1st from Cleveland, and Caron Butler/Luke Ridnour from Milwaukee.

How is Milwaukee trying to be good? Have you seen their roster. They're the Mercedes Benz of Tanks...

Gray Poster · Post #434 » by **Gray Poster** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:06 pm

Houston is not trading Parsons for Deng. Parsons hits his threes consistently and is younger and cheaper.
I would rather have Parsons right now over Deng, and they seem to love Parasons just fine.

The Cavs will be the partner here

Proven_Winner · Post #435 » by **Proven_Winner** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:06 pm

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:Parsons for Deng would never happen I don't think. When you factor age, skill set, and salary - Parsons is a much better fit for what Houston does.

It would never happen but if Houston wanted to trade that's all they have of value to us besides their stars.

Proven_Winner · Post #436 » by **Proven_Winner** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:14 pm

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:
bad knees wrote:I think it's important to trade Deng soon, so that:

(1) the club getting him still thinks it has a chance this season to be respectable/good if only it gets a good dose of Lu's defense and winning mindset;

(2) the club getting him gets 5/6 of the season out of their rental as opposed to 1/2.

Cleveland and Milwaukee are the only teams that are trying to be good, and also have the ability to trade a 2014 pick. They also are a bit loopy in their thinking. I like Bynum/1st from Cleveland, and Caron Butler/Luke Ridnour from Milwaukee.

How is Milwaukee trying to be good? Have you seen their roster. They're the Mercedes Benz of Tanks...

I've seen milwaukee fans on RealGM mad because their team is trying to win instead of tank. The bucks are just content with being in the middle. They don't want to tank but they don't want to contend. :lol:

bad knees · Post #437 » by **bad knees** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:15 pm

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:
bad knees wrote:I think it's important to trade Deng soon, so that:

(1) the club getting him still thinks it has a chance this season to be respectable/good if only it gets a good dose of Lu's defense and winning mindset;

(2) the club getting him gets 5/6 of the season out of their rental as opposed to 1/2.

Cleveland and Milwaukee are the only teams that are trying to be good, and also have the ability to trade a 2014 pick. They also are a bit loopy in their thinking. I like Bynum/1st from Cleveland, and Caron Butler/Luke Ridnour from Milwaukee.

How is Milwaukee trying to be good? Have you seen their roster. They're the Mercedes Benz of Tanks...

My sense is that Milwaukee is trying to be good, but is not doing a good job of it. I recall that there were a number of articles where their owner said that he wanted to go all out for the playoffs this year, even if it meant only a 7th or 8th seed. Also, I meant to include us getting Milwaukee's 2014 1st in my proposed Mil deal. Butler and Ridnour are both expirings, as is Deng of course.

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #438 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:18 pm

Milwaukee is 2-11 so far. They're doing a masterful job so far.

aaqubed · Post #439 » by **aaqubed** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:27 pm

Milwaukee spent money this summer trying to get better. There's no reason for them to have spent money on Mayo (or extended Sanders) if they wanted to be bad this year.

They suck for a lot of reasons, but not because they wanted to. They'd be a good trade partner for Taj actually, since Sanders is out for a little while.

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #440 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:29 pm

aaqubed wrote:Milwaukee spent money this summer trying to get better. There's no reason for them to have spent money on Mayo (or extended Sanders) if they wanted to be bad this year.

They suck for a lot of reasons, but not because they wanted to. They'd be a good trade partner for Taj actually, since Sanders is out for a little while.

Injuries have been a huge part of it.