Time to be honest about Iman Shumpert

ctorres · Post #101 » by **ctorres** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:33 pm

To think, fans here felt Shumpert was UNTOUCHABLE in any Chris Paul trade prior to the start of the 2011-2012 season. He hadn't even played a game outside of summer league exhibitions.

Fat Kat · Post #102 » by **Fat Kat** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:33 pm

Workforce250 wrote:
prolific96 wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:

It is hard to play with a team full of "brothers" when you know you are not part of the family...

No one was talking trade until he started sucking.

Not really,,it was when the TEAM started losing and the typical fan base knee jerk reaction was to find a scrap goat and sacrificial lamb.

What the hell is a scrap goat. It's escape goat.

Fat Kat · Post #103 » by **Fat Kat** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:37 pm

ctorres wrote:To think, fans here felt Shumpert was UNTOUCHABLE in any Chris Paul trade prior to the start of the 2011-2012 season. He hadn't even played a game outside of summer league exhibitions.

Before that we wouldn't trade Frye for Duncan or Fields for anyone not named Lebron.

It'll be THjr next. If he puts on some muscle and works on his game, there's no reason he can't be Reggie Miller with hops.

kakaman · Post #104 » by **kakaman** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:38 pm

This organization is a disaster. All the young assets the Knicks have end up going through character assassination for not being superstars. Guess what, he was drafted late 1st round! No one thought he was going to be the cornerstone of a championship! The fans did this to Landry, now Shump is going through the same thing. I hope he gets traded so he leaves this damn mess. Once he leaves I look forward to you all complaining about our poor perimeter defense.

seren · Post #105 » by **seren** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:38 pm

Fat Kat wrote:
ctorres wrote:To think, fans here felt Shumpert was UNTOUCHABLE in any Chris Paul trade prior to the start of the 2011-2012 season. He hadn't even played a game outside of summer league exhibitions.

Before that we wouldn't trade Frye for Duncan or Fields for anyone not named Lebron.

It'll be THjr next. If he puts on some muscle and works on his game, there's no reason he can't be Reggie Miller with hops.

It's the fanbase though. Ownership is fine trading young players for bag of chips.

bigfnjoe96 · Post #106 » by **bigfnjoe96** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:40 pm

Knicks biggest mistake with this kid was not making him a Full Time PG....Can anybody tell me what the difference between Shump and a player like Westbrook are? Both were considered combo guards coming out. Yet OKC basically forced Westbrook to be a Full Time PG, while the Knicks basically made Shump a Full Time 2 guard

kakaman · Post #107 » by **kakaman** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:42 pm

bigfnjoe96 wrote:Knicks biggest mistake with this kid was not making him a Full Time PG....Can anybody tell me what the difference between Shump and a player like Westbrook are? Both were considered combo guards coming out. Yet OKC basically forced Westbrook to be a Full Time PG, while the Knicks basically made Shump a Full Time 2 guard

The Knicks tried that in his rookie year. It was disastrous. He can't dribble, did you forget that part?

Post #108 » by **GONYK** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:46 pm

bigfnjoe96 wrote:Knicks biggest mistake with this kid was not making him a Full Time PG....Can anybody tell me what the difference between Shump and a player like Westbrook are? Both were considered combo guards coming out. Yet OKC basically forced Westbrook to be a Full Time PG, while the Knicks basically made Shump a Full Time 2 guard

Westbrook can dribble and finish

Workforce250 · Post #109 » by **Workforce250** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:51 pm

GONYK wrote:
bigfnjoe96 wrote:Knicks biggest mistake with this kid was not making him a Full Time PG....Can anybody tell me what the difference between Shump and a player like Westbrook are? Both were considered combo guards coming out. Yet OKC basically forced Westbrook to be a Full Time PG, while the Knicks basically made Shump a Full Time 2 guard

Westbrook can dribble and finish

Please,,,, Westbrook has his moments but Curley O'Neal he is not.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #110 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:52 pm

Workforce250 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
bigfnjoe96 wrote:Knicks biggest mistake with this kid was not making him a Full Time PG....Can anybody tell me what the difference between Shump and a player like Westbrook are? Both were considered combo guards coming out. Yet OKC basically forced Westbrook to be a Full Time PG, while the Knicks basically made Shump a Full Time 2 guard

Westbrook can dribble and finish

Please,,,, Westbrook has his moments but Curley O'Neal he is not.

He can dribble and finish. Shumpert cannot do either. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.

makeitstop · Post #111 » by **makeitstop** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:03 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:Iman is great but he plays with heart. Hard to play with heart when you see your jersey being taken from you soon.

He should maybe work on a little mental toughness, then.

Everybody that got interviewed after the game last night sounded like they're playing scared. Timid. Indecisive. Too quiet.

I believe that guys should be playing as hard and as well as they can, whether or not they're getting mentioned in trade rumors. That's what they're being paid to do, and that's what they're going to be paid to do no matter what team they're on.

Workforce250 · Post #112 » by **Workforce250** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:10 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Workforce250 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Westbrook can dribble and finish

Please,,,, Westbrook has his moments but Curley O'Neal he is not.

He can dribble and finish. Shumpert cannot do either. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.

You must be easily frustrated.

Anyway:
'Let's get real now, let's go to their stats. Check out the 3rd year stats and tell me where as the 2nd option on the Thunder does Westbrook REALLY distinguishes himself over Shump:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... n-shumpert
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... -westbrook

All I'm saying is that Westbrook is the closest comparison to Shump and all these knee jerk fans will regret if he goes eslewhere.

thisiskoz · Post #113 » by **thisiskoz** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:11 pm

Workforce250 wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Workforce250 wrote:

Please,,,, Westbrook has his moments but Curley O'Neal he is not.

He can dribble and finish. Shumpert cannot do either. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.

You must be easily frustrated.

Anyway:
'Let's get real now, let's go to their stats. Check out the 3rd year stats and tell me where as the 2nd option on the Thunder does Westbrook REALLY distinguishes himself over Shump:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... n-shumpert
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... -westbrook

All I'm saying is that Westbrook is the closest comparison to Shump and all these knee jerk fans will regret if he goes eslewhere.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #114 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:12 pm

Workforce250 wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Workforce250 wrote:

Please,,,, Westbrook has his moments but Curley O'Neal he is not.

He can dribble and finish. Shumpert cannot do either. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.

You must be easily frustrated.

Anyway:
'Let's get real now, let's go to their stats. Check out the 3rd year stats and tell me where as the 2nd option on the Thunder does Westbrook REALLY distinguishes himself over Shump:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... n-shumpert
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... -westbrook

All I'm saying is that Westbrook is the closest comparison to Shump and all these knee jerk fans will regret if he goes eslewhere.

Umm maybe you should click on your own links and read their respective third year lines to see how WB distinguishes himself.

TheGarden · Post #115 » by **TheGarden** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:12 pm

Trade Shumpert to the Pacers for Chris Copeland

iHeartKNicks · Post #116 » by **iHeartKNicks** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:14 pm

Fat Kat wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/tommybeer/status/405349026125455360[/tweet]

I just feel that Shumpert is misused & that's the biggest problem with the development process. IMO Shump's best role on any team is that of a facilitator; a Lance Stephenson type role. In this offense he's asked to be a 3-D guy which just simply isn't the best role for the skills that Shump has. That 9 assist game wasn't a fluke he can make a play but rarely is given the opportunity to do so therefore, he looks bad out there.
Shump should be playing a role like Boris Diaw did on those high powered suns teams or like Jason Kidd did for us last season. Just because Shump isn't not never will be a 20ppg type player doesn't mean he can't contribute to winning basketball. He's full of potential but for some strange reason, JR is looked at as the guy on this team.
I also feel that what we saw from Shump in the preseason is the player we need but right now his confidence is at rock bottom plus the trade rumors, you can see the stress on his face. Knowing that you're on the trade block + playing for a coach that has 0 confidence in your abilities.... I mean someone has to understand why Shump looks horrible.
We have a team full of shooters (allegedly) & a guard who can facilitate. Why can't it work? Has Woodson (or our whole team) ever attempted to run a P&R with Shump as the ball handler?

The Knicks lose games not because the defense is bad, not because we can't rebound, we lose games mainly because we give our opponents rest on D due to lack of ball movement. And we will never be a good team until our entire team buys into the concept of ball movement. As long as Woodson is our coach + believing that the offensive system we currently have in place can work trust, Shumpert isn't going to be the last guy we trade that thrives elsewhere.
Isiah Thomas for Shump straight up works for me.

Workforce250 · Post #117 » by **Workforce250** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:14 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Workforce250 wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
He can dribble and finish. Shumpert cannot do either. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.

You must be easily frustrated.

Anyway:
'Let's get real now, let's go to their stats. Check out the 3rd year stats and tell me where as the 2nd option on the Thunder does Westbrook REALLY distinguishes himself over Shump:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... n-shumpert
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... -westbrook

All I'm saying is that Westbrook is the closest comparison to Shump and all these knee jerk fans will regret if he goes eslewhere.

Umm maybe you should click on your own links and read their respective third year lines to see how WB distinguishes himself.

typical response

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #118 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:19 pm

Workforce250 wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Workforce250 wrote:

You must be easily frustrated.

Anyway:
'Let's get real now, let's go to their stats. Check out the 3rd year stats and tell me where as the 2nd option on the Thunder does Westbrook REALLY distinguishes himself over Shump:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... n-shumpert
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... -westbrook

All I'm saying is that Westbrook is the closest comparison to Shump and all these knee jerk fans will regret if he goes eslewhere.

Umm maybe you should click on your own links and read their respective third year lines to see how WB distinguishes himself.

typical response

I just want to make sure you do see, in those links, how it's not close, right?

ctorres · Post #119 » by **ctorres** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:24 pm

seren wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:
ctorres wrote:To think, fans here felt Shumpert was UNTOUCHABLE in any Chris Paul trade prior to the start of the 2011-2012 season. He hadn't even played a game outside of summer league exhibitions.

Before that we wouldn't trade Frye for Duncan or Fields for anyone not named Lebron.

It'll be THjr next. If he puts on some muscle and works on his game, there's no reason he can't be Reggie Miller with hops.

It's the fanbase though. Ownership is fine trading young players for bag of chips.

Or letting them go for nothing.

Clyde_Style · Post #120 » by **Clyde_Style** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:26 pm

prolific96 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Anyone judging Shumpert on this season is pretty cavalier in their opinions. He clearly is rattled by the trade talk and is not playing well. He was better in the playoffs than he is now and I doubt that means he is simply regressing.

His head is not in the game. He is playing in a nuthouse after all. Most of you would be walking around mumbling to yourselves like a crazy person in the same situation.

Did shump bring this on himself? I know a lot of people want to place blame on Dolan or the coaching staff but I think people really need to consider that Shump's head got a little swole. I remember there was a video posted on here around the preseason with Shump discussing why he cut his hair and he seemed to suggest just that.

You're reaching. Maybe he got overconfident as a rookie, but blowing out your knee brings anyone down to earth. Besides, I enjoyed the hair.