Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng

[Proven_Winner]

Milwaukee spent money this summer trying to get better. There's no reason for them to have spent money on Mayo (or extended Sanders) if they wanted to be bad this year.

They suck for a lot of reasons, but not because they wanted to. They'd be a good trade partner for Taj actually, since Sanders is out for a little while.

The thing is though is that Deng is expiring so we need to look at moving him first so that we don't have another asik situation. But milwaukee just really doesn't have anything to give us they overpayed just about most of their players.

[League Circles]

Milwaukee spent money this summer trying to get better. There's no reason for them to have spent money on Mayo (or extended Sanders) if they wanted to be bad this year.

They suck for a lot of reasons, but not because they wanted to. They'd be a good trade partner for Taj actually, since Sanders is out for a little while.

I disagree with this line of thinking and I think it should be considered in Bulls context.

Just because you commit to a player long term doesn't mean you necesaarily want to win that year or think you will win. You might believe it's important to lock a player in while you have the chance and think he alone isn't good enough to help you win. See signings like Bynum, Al Jefferson, Mayo, etc.

That's why IMO we don't have to panic and move anyone in particular. Without a backcourt, our considerable front court talent won't win much this year. But they're all young enough to contribute next year and beyond IMO. Not saying I'm against some deals, but they should be deals we "win". We don't have enough talent to lose trades.

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Milwaukee spent money this summer trying to get better. There's no reason for them to have spent money on Mayo (or extended Sanders) if they wanted to be bad this year.

They suck for a lot of reasons, but not because they wanted to. They'd be a good trade partner for Taj actually, since Sanders is out for a little while.

The thing is though is that Deng is expiring so we need to look at moving him first so that we don't have another asik situation. But milwaukee just really doesn't have anything to give us they overpayed just about most of their players.

I'd love to send them Deng, I was just thinking out loud about Taj fitting in nice as a Sanders replacement for now.

Their main trade assets would be their pick (which obviously they would protect in case they can't make a playoff run) and Giannis Antetokounmpo. I wouldn't be surprised if they gave us one of those for Deng. They have the salaries to match too, with Butler and Udoh expiring.

[Proven_Winner]

Milwaukee spent money this summer trying to get better. There's no reason for them to have spent money on Mayo (or extended Sanders) if they wanted to be bad this year.

They suck for a lot of reasons, but not because they wanted to. They'd be a good trade partner for Taj actually, since Sanders is out for a little while.

The thing is though is that Deng is expiring so we need to look at moving him first so that we don't have another asik situation. But milwaukee just really doesn't have anything to give us they overpayed just about most of their players.

I'd love to send them Deng, I was just thinking out loud about Taj fitting in nice as a Sanders replacement for now.

Their main trade assets would be their pick (which obviously they would protect in case they can't make a playoff run) and Giannis Antetokounmpo. I wouldn't be surprised if they gave us one of those for Deng. They have the salaries to match too, with Butler and Udoh expiring.

I would take their pick but I think only if its unprotected. They suck so bad so you know they will be in the lottery this year and so that pick looks good but if they protect it then im kind of skeptical about trading Deng for that pick.

[xpmar9x]

Bulls get: OJ Mayo, Ekpe Udoh, and Peyton Siva
Bucks get: Josh Smith
Pistons get: Luol Deng

thoughts?

How much does OJ mayo make?

3yr/24mil was signed this offseason
8 mil per year flat

Udoh is on an expiring deal

Siva on rookie salary

[Proven_Winner]

Bulls get: OJ Mayo, Ekpe Udoh, and Peyton Siva
Bucks get: Josh Smith
Pistons get: Luol Deng

thoughts?

How much does OJ mayo make?

3yr/24mil was signed this offseason
8 mil per year flat

Udoh is on an expiring deal

Siva on rookie salary

I don't know if i would pay that much for mayo.

[Pnjguy]

Deng

for

Jack, Clark, Gee, Dellavedova, Top 10 protected 1st rounder.

Jack is a solid combo guard that can dribble, on a reasonable contract, the rest are expiring contracts.

Bulls would not want Jack and his 3yr/19M contract. Waiters is more likely to be included in that group, but the Bulls do not have the room on the roster. Waiters, Clark and the protected pick would do it, unless they hate Bynum and go Bynum and the pick.

Bulls wouldn't mind Jack because 1) His contract is reasonable 2) He's a combo guard who can dribble and score, which is something we need 3) That's the type of contract Cleveland will want to give up if they're trading away a protected 1st rounder.

No way we're getting Waiters in a deal for Deng.

[Proven_Winner]

Deng

for

Jack, Clark, Gee, Dellavedova, Top 10 protected 1st rounder.

Jack is a solid combo guard that can dribble, on a reasonable contract, the rest are expiring contracts.

Bulls would not want Jack and his 3yr/19M contract. Waiters is more likely to be included in that group, but the Bulls do not have the room on the roster. Waiters, Clark and the protected pick would do it, unless they hate Bynum and go Bynum and the pick.

Bulls wouldn't mind Jack because 1) His contract is reasonable 2) He's a combo guard who can dribble and score, which is something we need 3) That's the type of contract Cleveland will want to give up if they're trading away a protected 1st rounder.

No way we're getting Waiters in a deal for Deng.

Agreed plus we would have a locked up backup PG who is also a good trade chip. Also i think you could probably get waiters if there really is problems between him and the cavs.

[pb-ceo]

I think waiters is a disaster in the making. I get a bad vibe from him. it was a terrible mistake to take him where they did.

[pb-ceo]

Milwaukee spent money this summer trying to get better. There's no reason for them to have spent money on Mayo (or extended Sanders) if they wanted to be bad this year.

They suck for a lot of reasons, but not because they wanted to. They'd be a good trade partner for Taj actually, since Sanders is out for a little while.

if a team wanted to be good (CLE MIL) but the plan went off the rails, they can change their plan. this is not a static process where you can't change your mind based on outcome. it makes zero sense for either CLE or MIL to try to make the playoffs this year with this draft after these starts. In fact if CLE does not get one of the big 3, it's a lock that KI leaves. He does not want to be exiled in CLE long term unless he gets more help. And the GM there is doing a terrible job of drafting and putting a team around him. mistake after mistake.

[martypython]

Slightly off-topic, but would the Bulls be interested in either Gay or Lowry for Deng and Boozer?

Lowry can provide all the defense Hinrich offers, plus a slashing game that the Bulls are missing when Nate Robinson and Bellinelli left. Gay is an underrated defender, whom I think could thrive under Thibs' system and can also create his own shot if the post gets sealed off.

[kodo]

Not sure if this was already posted:

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/11/2 ... -26/#bulls

No. 1: Report: Bulls, Deng likely to stick together

With that in mind, Deng, who will make $14.2 million this year in the final year of his six-year deal, probably will be with the Bulls for the long haul, a person familiar with both sides told USA TODAY Sports. Even though an expiring deal is ideal to trade, both sides appear to want to keep him on the team. The person requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about a potential deal.

[DRoseCantStop]

Not sure if this was already posted:

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/11/2 ... -26/#bulls

No. 1: Report: Bulls, Deng likely to stick together

With that in mind, Deng, who will make $14.2 million this year in the final year of his six-year deal, probably will be with the Bulls for the long haul, a person familiar with both sides told USA TODAY Sports. Even though an expiring deal is ideal to trade, both sides appear to want to keep him on the team. The person requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about a potential deal.

Eh....

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Not sure if this was already posted:

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/11/2 ... -26/#bulls

No. 1: Report: Bulls, Deng likely to stick together

With that in mind, Deng, who will make $14.2 million this year in the final year of his six-year deal, probably will be with the Bulls for the long haul, a person familiar with both sides told USA TODAY Sports. Even though an expiring deal is ideal to trade, both sides appear to want to keep him on the team. The person requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about a potential deal.

This is so weird. All summer long we've heard about "rifts", and how the FO won't re-sign Deng so they can have cap space. But now that we have no chance of competing with this team "sources" want to keep it together?

[otwok]

Not sure if this was already posted:

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/11/2 ... -26/#bulls

No. 1: Report: Bulls, Deng likely to stick together

With that in mind, Deng, who will make $14.2 million this year in the final year of his six-year deal, probably will be with the Bulls for the long haul, a person familiar with both sides told USA TODAY Sports. Even though an expiring deal is ideal to trade, both sides appear to want to keep him on the team. The person requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about a potential deal.

i've been saying this since Rose went down. It actually makes more sense to lose Deng for nothing than to take salary back. Unless you dump Deng for draft picks which is unlikely you aren't really into making a deal to get better. If Rose was healthy you would look to deal Deng to get better but the goal now is a save cap room, get a higher pick than normal. I can see the Bulls staying pat on everyone except Teague.

[Proven_Winner]

Not sure if this was already posted:

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/11/2 ... -26/#bulls

No. 1: Report: Bulls, Deng likely to stick together

With that in mind, Deng, who will make $14.2 million this year in the final year of his six-year deal, probably will be with the Bulls for the long haul, a person familiar with both sides told USA TODAY Sports. Even though an expiring deal is ideal to trade, both sides appear to want to keep him on the team. The person requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about a potential deal.

i've been saying this since Rose went down. It actually makes more sense to lose Deng for nothing than to take salary back. Unless you dump Deng for draft picks which is unlikely you aren't really into making a deal to get better. If Rose was healthy you would look to deal Deng to get better but the goal now is a save cap room, get a higher pick than normal. I can see the Bulls staying pat on everyone except Teague.

You could trade Deng for other expirings and a draft pick or some young players. I rather trade him and see if we can get a pick than let him walk.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Fine. If Lu wants to stay, fine. But man, his ass better be prepared to take a pay cut. He sucks.

[otwok]

Not sure if this was already posted:

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/11/2 ... -26/#bulls

No. 1: Report: Bulls, Deng likely to stick together

i've been saying this since Rose went down. It actually makes more sense to lose Deng for nothing than to take salary back. Unless you dump Deng for draft picks which is unlikely you aren't really into making a deal to get better. If Rose was healthy you would look to deal Deng to get better but the goal now is a save cap room, get a higher pick than normal. I can see the Bulls staying pat on everyone except Teague.

You could trade Deng for other expirings and a draft pick or some young players. I rather trade him and see if we can get a pick than let him walk.

yea but chances of that happening are slim. that would be ideal obviously but realistically it isn't going to happen.

[League Circles]

I'm fine with, and probably prefer resigning Deng, but if we go that route I'd like to at least trade taj or noah for a scoring guard.

[Proven_Winner]

i've been saying this since Rose went down. It actually makes more sense to lose Deng for nothing than to take salary back. Unless you dump Deng for draft picks which is unlikely you aren't really into making a deal to get better. If Rose was healthy you would look to deal Deng to get better but the goal now is a save cap room, get a higher pick than normal. I can see the Bulls staying pat on everyone except Teague.

You could trade Deng for other expirings and a draft pick or some young players. I rather trade him and see if we can get a pick than let him walk.

yea but chances of that happening are slim. that would be ideal obviously but realistically it isn't going to happen.

I don't know IMO the chances are 50-50 of us getting a draft pick for him. Just because we as Bulls fans think he's nothing to get excited about doesn't mean he doesn't have alot of value to teams like Cleveland.