Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[dckingsfan]

I think the point that has been made is that we are looking for a big and backup PG and Deng doesn't do that for us.

[dckingsfan]

More than the deal itself, I'm encouraged by what this move says about how the Kings view themselves. My fear was that under new ownership, Sacramento would be in a hurry to contend, and thus hurt its future in the process. Instead, the Kings seem to have gone the other direction, dealing Mbah a Moute for a younger player just months after acquiring him over the summer. The West is so deep right now that Sacramento basically has no choice but to stay young, try to improve its habits under first-year coach Mike Malone, and to stockpile assets for a point when (hopefully?) it will take fewer than 45 wins to make the postseason in the conference.

Potential trade partner here.

If Sacto wants to stockpile assets, they need to clear cap room (so they can do BOYD deals to stockpile those assets). While we can't offer much in the way of meaningful assets, we can offer expiring contracts in exchange for players that can help our bench.

Isiah Thomas and Greivis Vasquez both have qualifying offers next season. I doubt Sacto extends both this summer, so there's a decent chance one gets traded (rather than playing under the QO whereby they could then veto any deal next year). I don't want any part of Carl Landry or Jason Thompson's contracts, but Marcus Thornton for a year wouldn't hurt too much.

I'd gladly trade one of our young expiring bench bigs for Thomas and Travis Outlaw ($3M next year). Probably not enough salary relief for the Kings, but I'd explore a ton of scenarios with them, including those involving a third team so that we can send out Ariza and get a rotation big back.

Hey Fisher... good ideas - I agree that either Vasquez or Thomas could be made available... I don't agree about Jason Thompson though, I think he would be a good addition to this team. He is a solid defensive rebounder.

If we could get Vasquez and Thompson for Seraphin, Maynor and Singleton (or something like that) - we should jump on it.

[LyricalRico]

^ I've been posting Sacto ideas for weeks, but haven't really considered Vasquez as a potential target. Yes, he's going to be RFA. But he's a solid PG and I think they need that if they're going to continue to develop their other young guys for the rest of this season. But maybe they disagree. If he's available, I'd love to have him.

I actually do think Thompson can be had, especially with the acquisition of DWill who will need minutes so they can see what they have. And Thompson's final year is only partially guaranteed, so he doesn't hurt our potential 2016 plans much. Thornton is also a guy I've been interested in before, but his shooting has been off so far this year.

[fishercob]

I have two concerns with Thompson.

First, he's been horrific so far this year. His offensive numbers, including rebounding, are way, way down. He's turning it over a ton. He has a long enough track record that it stands to reason that this is a relatively small sample sized slump and he'll return to his solid form before long.

But, that ties into the second reason -- his contract. He's signed through '16-17 -- a year after Nene comes off the books. Even though his final year is only guaranteed for $2.65M, he's signed for long enough and for enough money that there's serious risk that he could keep us from a big acquisition in the future.

I'm okay with paying him $6M next year. I could be talked into $6.4M the following season. But that final year at more than $7M (when you factor in his 5% trade kicker) scares me.

[mhd]

I have two concerns with Thompson.

First, he's been horrific so far this year. His offensive numbers, including rebounding, are way, way down. He's turning it over a ton. He has a long enough track record that it stands to reason that this is a relatively small sample sized slump and he'll return to his solid form before long.

But, that ties into the second reason -- his contract. He's signed through '16-17 -- a year after Nene comes off the books. Even though his final year is only guaranteed for $2.65M, he's signed for long enough and for enough money that there's serious risk that he could keep us from a big acquisition in the future.

I'm okay with paying him $6M next year. I could be talked into $6.4M the following season. But that final year at more than $7M (when you factor in his 5% trade kicker) scares me.

Say no to Thompson. That;s a horrific contract. Ariza+Booker for Thornton+Patterson+Jimmer is a deal worth considering (ONLY if signing resigning Ariza looks to be impossible given his steller play and the drafting of Porter).

[LyricalRico]

Ariza+Booker for Thornton+Patterson+Jimmer is a deal worth considering (ONLY if signing resigning Ariza looks to be impossible given his steller play and the drafting of Porter).

Yep, sign me up for that.

[fishercob]

I have two concerns with Thompson.

First, he's been horrific so far this year. His offensive numbers, including rebounding, are way, way down. He's turning it over a ton. He has a long enough track record that it stands to reason that this is a relatively small sample sized slump and he'll return to his solid form before long.

But, that ties into the second reason -- his contract. He's signed through '16-17 -- a year after Nene comes off the books. Even though his final year is only guaranteed for $2.65M, he's signed for long enough and for enough money that there's serious risk that he could keep us from a big acquisition in the future.

I'm okay with paying him $6M next year. I could be talked into $6.4M the following season. But that final year at more than $7M (when you factor in his 5% trade kicker) scares me.

Say no to Thompson. That;s a horrific contract. Ariza+Booker for Thornton+Patterson+Jimmer is a deal worth considering (ONLY if signing resigning Ariza looks to be impossible given his steller play and the drafting of Porter).

Why would we trade for Jimmer? He's not going to help us at all. As to Booker for Patterson, PIF has argued well as to how that's a lateral move at best . If we're trading with the Kings, we should be getting one of Thomas or Vazquez. If Ariza is involved in that deal, hopefully there's a 3rd team involved sending us a backup big as well.

[Brazil88]

Seems like the Cavs are shopping Dion Waiters. What do you think about this trade:

Wizards send out:

Ariza
Vesely
Booker/Singleton/Rice (whoever they want....IF they want one of them...the trade can be made without the 3rd player from the Wiz)

Wizards get:

Varejao
Dion Waiters

Why for Washington: Vesely is rebounding well and hustling on defense, but that's about it...right now he is a homeless man Varejao. Although Andy is injury prone, if healthy he's a substantial upgrade over any big man from the bench.
Waiters is a good scorer from the bench (something this team really needs) and can play at the PG position too (so, no more Maynor or Temple running the second unit). To me it's a no brainer for the Wizards

Why for Cleveland: well, they are sucking balls right now, and also it seems like they have locker room problems (rumors says it's between waiters and irving). Also, they have too many big men on their roster that need minutes. Without Andy, that frees up some minutes to Bennett not to bust so quickly. Ariza's rental gives them the SF they still don't have. They would probably ask for a future pick instead of the 3rd player...don't know if y'all would agree with it.

So, what do you think ?

[nate33]

Seems like the Cavs are shopping Dion Waiters. What do you think about this trade:

Wizards send out:

Ariza
Vesely
Booker/Singleton/Rice (whoever they want....IF they want one of them...the trade can be made without the 3rd player from the Wiz)

Wizards get:

Varejao
Dion Waiters

Why for Washington: Vesely is rebounding well and hustling on defense, but that's about it...right now he is a homeless man Varejao. Although Andy is injury prone, if healthy he's a substantial upgrade over any big man from the bench.
Waiters is a good scorer from the bench (something this team really needs) and can play at the PG position too (so, no more Maynor or Temple running the second unit). To me it's a no brainer for the Wizards

Why for Cleveland: well, they are sucking balls right now, and also it seems like they have locker room problems (rumors says it's between waiters and irving). Also, they have too many big men on their roster that need minutes. Without Andy, that frees up some minutes to Bennett not to bust so quickly. Ariza's rental gives them the SF they still don't have. They would probably ask for a future pick instead of the 3rd player...don't know if y'all would agree with it.

So, what do you think ?

The Cavs laugh in our face and hang up the phone

[Illmatic21]

Waiters would be an ideal young 6th man/combo guard on this team. Of course it's not gonna happen

[mohammed10]

Waiters would be an ideal young 6th man/combo guard on this team. Of course it's not gonna happen

Hell Freaking No!!!

Not Ariza, Webster, Porter, etc. He is killing the Cavs locker room right now. I just read about the incident that precipitated him being shopped: he got into an argument with Tristan Thompson that nearly got physical. Terrible attitude, shot chucker, aka Steez (Jordan Crawford) all over again. Plus Dan Gilbert’s asking price right now is Luol Deng, Evan Turner, or Iman Shumpert. I don’t think Ariza and our bench flotsam alone is enough to get the deal done. I am willing to hold out on the for a couple more games (ie - the Beal 2 weeks). Porter hasn’t played all season and he could really help out our bench once he adjusts to the NBA. If the bench is still struggling around after the Beal Break, then it’s time to make a move, but for now, let's see how this plays out. Trading for waiters would be a panic move that could derail the locker room. Not to mention the incident with Thompson is not the first time Waiters has been called a locker room cancer.

[Illmatic21]

Waiters would be an ideal young 6th man/combo guard on this team. Of course it's not gonna happen

Hell Freaking No!!!

Not Ariza, Webster, Porter, etc. He is killing the Cavs locker room right now. I just read about the incident that precipitated him being shopped: he got into an argument with Tristan Thompson that nearly got physical. Terrible attitude, shot chucker, aka Steez (Jordan Crawford) all over again. Plus Dan Gilbert’s asking price right now is Luol Deng, Evan Turner, or Iman Shumpert. I don’t think Ariza and our bench flotsam alone is enough to get the deal done. I am willing to hold out on the for a couple more games (ie - the Beal 2 weeks). Porter hasn’t played all season and he could really help out our bench once he adjusts to the NBA. If the bench is still struggling around after the Beal Break, then it’s time to make a move, but for now, let's see how this plays out. Trading for waiters would be a panic move that could derail the locker room. Not to mention the incident with Thompson is not the first time Waiters has been called a locker room cancer.

Waiters seems like a good, humble dude to me. I don't think he's a cancer, even at Syracuse he was known for making sacrifices for the team.

I actually think Kyrie Irving is the problem, not Waiters. There have been reports that his entitled attitude is rubbing people in the Cavs organization the wrong way. People close to their locker room have said he exhibits poor leadership and acts like he's untouchable (Lebron all over again). But of course no one will point the finger at the franchise player, so Waiters has to go.

[mhd]

Waiters would be an ideal young 6th man/combo guard on this team. Of course it's not gonna happen

Hell Freaking No!!!

Not Ariza, Webster, Porter, etc. He is killing the Cavs locker room right now. I just read about the incident that precipitated him being shopped: he got into an argument with Tristan Thompson that nearly got physical. Terrible attitude, shot chucker, aka Steez (Jordan Crawford) all over again. Plus Dan Gilbert’s asking price right now is Luol Deng, Evan Turner, or Iman Shumpert. I don’t think Ariza and our bench flotsam alone is enough to get the deal done. I am willing to hold out on the for a couple more games (ie - the Beal 2 weeks). Porter hasn’t played all season and he could really help out our bench once he adjusts to the NBA. If the bench is still struggling around after the Beal Break, then it’s time to make a move, but for now, let's see how this plays out. Trading for waiters would be a panic move that could derail the locker room. Not to mention the incident with Thompson is not the first time Waiters has been called a locker room cancer.

Waiters seems like a good, humble dude to me. I don't think he's a cancer, even at Syracuse he was known for making sacrifices for the team.

I actually think Kyrie Irving is the problem, not Waiters. There have been reports that his entitled attitude is rubbing people in the Cavs organization the wrong way. People close to their locker room have said he exhibits poor leadership and acts like he's untouchable. But of course no one will point the finger at the franchise player, so Waiters has to go.

Yeah, if I were Cleveland, I'd consider trading Kyrie for a Ransom and tanking this year.

[mhd]

What about this deal (works in the trade machine):

Wiz trade Porter+Seraphin+Singleton for Favors (we can't trade a future 1st b/c Gortat deal).

[B-easy]

Cavs are making a mistake if they trade waiters. He is really good, i think he can be better than Beal, if he was used properly he would look much better. It doesn't help he has to play with another ball dominant guard.

[Wizardspride]

What about this deal (works in the trade machine):

Wiz trade Porter+Seraphin+Singleton for Favors (we can't trade a future 1st b/c Gortat deal).

What's the incentive for the Jazz?

Favors' upside trumps everyone else in that package.

[dckingsfan]

Good points on the Thompson contract... I am not a Thorton fan and think he would be in Witt's doghouse pretty fast. I am also not a big fan of Fredette - he just doesn't play D well enough to play for Witt.

[dorianwrite]

Longtime Syracuse fan here. Waiters got good press during his sophomore year because he accepted his role coming off the bench for Boeheim (who does this kind of thing a lot -- Jerami Grant, Harvey's kid, may be Syracuse's second-best player this year, but he doesn't start) and helped a stacked Syracuse team to a really quality season.

His freshman year? A totally different story. Apparently he whined and complained about not starting, and he seriously considered transferring. I don't recall exactly who talked to him and got him to change his mind, but he has always been emotionally volatile. I wouldn't go after him in a trade where we had to give up anything much of value. I'd consider Ariza to be fairly valuable to us right now.

[Ruzious]

We were talking about Varejao, but a smaller move with Cleveland that might make sense is Zeller - who has fallen out of the rotation after a disappointing rookie year. He may never turn it around, but he's got a better chance than Seraphin, and he does have offensive skills (57% TS% this season in limited time), and he's near 7'1 - though with the NBA's shortest arms for a center. I'd guess we could probably get him for Seraphin and Singleton. It's worth a shot - rather than doing nothing.

[mohammed10]

What about this deal (works in the trade machine):

Wiz trade Porter+Seraphin+Singleton for Favors (we can't trade a future 1st b/c Gortat deal).

Yes! Where do I sign?

Problem is, as someone has already stated, there is absolutely no incentive for Utah. Favors has tremendous upside, is highly valued by the Jazz (thus over valuing him in any potential trade, a la Nic Batum from Portland not too long ago).

They would ask for more...way more