Time to be honest about Iman Shumpert

blueNorange · Post #221 » by **blueNorange** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:16 pm

i don't think shumpert is pouting, he justs sees the double standard with woodson.

Meat · Post #222 » by **Meat** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:25 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:Easy to say when your not in the situatin.

Do you have a job? Imagine if you were getting fired from your job and you were giving a 2 week notice. Are you going to bust your ass during that 2 week notice for a company that no longer wants you?

Its not like Iman isnt playing hard. He is just flustered. The dude is out there competing. But mentally he is shaken because he loves the situation he is in, being on the team he was drafted by... And he isnt being put in a situation to succeed.

I dont fault him for it.

he's not losing his job, his job is to play basketball, it's more like he's getting transferred to another department. he keeps sucking and he'll get transferred to china

Knicksfan20 · Post #223 » by **Knicksfan20** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:29 pm

Meat wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:Easy to say when your not in the situatin.

Do you have a job? Imagine if you were getting fired from your job and you were giving a 2 week notice. Are you going to bust your ass during that 2 week notice for a company that no longer wants you?

Its not like Iman isnt playing hard. He is just flustered. The dude is out there competing. But mentally he is shaken because he loves the situation he is in, being on the team he was drafted by... And he isnt being put in a situation to succeed.

I dont fault him for it.

he's not losing his job, his job is to play basketball, it's more like he's getting transferred to another department. he keeps sucking and he'll get transferred to china

Ok well thats a better analogy. Your right. Say your working in NY. And you live here in NY. You have friends here, an apartment or home here, you love where your at. THen your told ok dude, your being transfered to an office in Denver. And now you have to live there.

Yea he will go there cuz hes gunna play for his contract, but he wont be happy. Hes not happy right now. And its hard to perform at a high level when you arent happy. Thats my point. Should he man up and get over it? Easier said then done. He loves being a Knick. He loves the city, loves the fans, and loves being here. He is upset that he is being shopped so hard. Probably saw himself playing his whole career here.

Nazrmohamed · Post #224 » by **Nazrmohamed** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:01 pm

thisiskoz wrote:hhmm... are excuses in paragraph form still excuses??? yup...

True, but my point is under better circumstances he could still work out just fine. Danny Green was once some bum in Cleveland and to me his skill level is not where Shumperts is. Just play decent team defense and hit open shots that a great system provides for you. Not minimizing his role but its still system basketball and a specific role, which the Knicks gave provided for noone but Carmelo Anthony.

Post #225 » by **Manhattan Project** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:11 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:
How do you play hard for a team that doesn't want you? A team that has now tried to trade you at least 3-4 different times this season. A team that has also shown interest in trading you in the past for guys like Nash, Dudley, Reddick... etc.

Iman has nothing left for the Knicks. He played his heart our for this team whenever he could. Now he just seems defeated. I feel bad for the dude because he loves it here and he loves this team. Yet fans are giving him a raw deal not putting things into perspective. Cant just expect a guy to play to his fullest capabilities when he isn't put in a situation to succeed.

Not only is he not in a position to succeed mentally, but how the **** is he even supposed to take the next step with the roster that is on this team? When there are a bunch of other players that need to get their shots off . Shumperts Job is to play defense on this team and stand in the corners. Not exactly the best recipe for him to take the next step offensively.

At the end of the day even if your name is in rumors, you play the game you been playing your entire life. If Dolan doesn't like Iman that's one thing, but it's not like Woodson is making Shumpert out to be the sole problem of the team.

It's not as if Iman's best basketball days are over, from what we know of his personality he should hope to get traded so he can shut down the Knicks until his career is over. Many guys loved playing in New York and have been defeated, it happens. Nate Robinson loved New York, Nate would go to the bench for two weeks and when his number was called he poured in the points. Not exactly the same situation as Iman, but again you have you assert yourself. Gallo was supposed to stand in a corner and help on defense, we still expected the world from him. Insert any young player the Knicks have had forever...

If you know going into a game your going to get five shots, you pick something else up. We can really use help on the boards, he can crash the boards more. Our defense sucks, he can become the vocal leader or talk more so he can stop running into screeners with the help of teammates.

Bottom line is that Iman is indeed a talented player and the present situation does indeed suck, but he can still do something about it.

Meat · Post #226 » by **Meat** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:16 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:
Meat wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:Easy to say when your not in the situatin.

Do you have a job? Imagine if you were getting fired from your job and you were giving a 2 week notice. Are you going to bust your ass during that 2 week notice for a company that no longer wants you?

Its not like Iman isnt playing hard. He is just flustered. The dude is out there competing. But mentally he is shaken because he loves the situation he is in, being on the team he was drafted by... And he isnt being put in a situation to succeed.

I dont fault him for it.

he's not losing his job, his job is to play basketball, it's more like he's getting transferred to another department. he keeps sucking and he'll get transferred to china

Ok well thats a better analogy. Your right. Say your working in NY. And you live here in NY. You have friends here, an apartment or home here, you love where your at. THen your told ok dude, your being transfered to an office in Denver. And now you have to live there.

Yea he will go there cuz hes gunna play for his contract, but he wont be happy. Hes not happy right now. And its hard to perform at a high level when you arent happy. Thats my point. Should he man up and get over it? Easier said then done. He loves being a Knick. He loves the city, loves the fans, and loves being here. He is upset that he is being shopped so hard. Probably saw himself playing his whole career here.

people do a lot more for a lot less.

Nostrand Ave · Post #227 » by **Nostrand Ave** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:35 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:We're losing games anyways, so just put him at the PG spot for one game and let him do whatever he wants like JR and Melo. Maybe he does something, maybe he doesn't. I don't see any other way of bringing his confidence back.

How is Shump suppose to to run PG when he doesnt have any ball handling skills?

Orange Mamba · Post #228 » by **Orange Mamba** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:14 am

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troller · Post #229 » by **troller** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:26 am

i don't know about u guys but i'm not giving up on shump even if he played like a poor man landry fields this year. i'm convinced that something is wrong with him. maybe the trade rumors or he felt he's been treated like shi*t by the knicks organization. he passed up on many good shot that he would've taken before this season. he's not looking to shoot at all for some reason. all he needs is to get his mentally right and going back to being old shump. the only thing wrong with him this year is his mentally.

Jim Dolan · Post #230 » by **Jim Dolan** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:34 am

give him a few more months, but he's lookin like a Landry Fields level player

bornaknick1 · Post #231 » by **bornaknick1** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:07 am

Well...

Damas · Post #232 » by **Damas** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:37 pm

Laundry Fields all over again. Same type of impact and same type of delusion we shouldn't have traded him when his value was an all time high.

Look at us now. Trade him to the raps, they might throw us something interesting.

IMAN5 · Post #233 » by **IMAN5** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:50 pm

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that is just sad...

IMAN5 · Post #234 » by **IMAN5** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:50 pm

darkdrone wrote:Laundry Fields all over again. Same type of impact and same type of delusion we shouldn't have traded him when his value was an all time high.

Look at us now. Trade him to the raps, they might throw us something interesting.

shumpert, THJR and a few more 2nd rounders for Lowry might work both ways.

Damas · Post #235 » by **Damas** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:56 pm

IMAN5 wrote:
darkdrone wrote:Laundry Fields all over again. Same type of impact and same type of delusion we shouldn't have traded him when his value was an all time high.

Look at us now. Trade him to the raps, they might throw us something interesting.

shumpert, THJR and a few more 2nd rounders for Lowry might work both ways.

Lowry sucks man, trust me. We need a dragic, not some overweight point guard who can't take criticism.

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #236 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:23 pm

Shumo's trade value is not going to plummet over a few-week slump. GMs will just assume his struggles are due to this toxic environment.

[GR] · Post #237 » by **[GR]** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:36 pm

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:Shumo's trade value is not going to plummet over a few-week slump. GMs will just assume his struggles are due to this toxic environment.

He's shooting 38%. He's at 39 for his career.

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #238 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:39 pm

[GR] wrote:
ORANGEandBLUE wrote:Shumo's trade value is not going to plummet over a few-week slump. GMs will just assume his struggles are due to this toxic environment.

He's shooting 38%. He's at 39 for his career.

In a crappy system for a team who has shown no ability or interest in developing young players. Plenty of smart GMs would find him salvageable.

Damas · Post #239 » by **Damas** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:40 pm

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
[GR] wrote:
ORANGEandBLUE wrote:Shumo's trade value is not going to plummet over a few-week slump. GMs will just assume his struggles are due to this toxic environment.

He's shooting 38%. He's at 39 for his career.

In a crappy system for a team who has shown no ability or interest in developing young players. Plenty of smart GMs would find him salvageable.

Shump is just not a good shooter.....

He can be a decent shooter in a couple of years if he improves but if he wants to stay in the NBA for a long time he has to definitely bring back his defensive intensity. What I am seeing now is a below average SG who has no role and isn't productive on the field at all.

Post #240 » by **NoLayupRule** » Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:46 pm

We don't actually need Shump to be a great shooter

What we need is him to play great defense, move the ball, spot up at the short corner three and hit the open shot there.

If he played like Bruce Bowen - which isn't asking too much from him - he'd be great for us.

Add some rebounding and slashing and putbacks and he's great

Sadly right now he's doing none of those things.