Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[LyricalRico]

With Minny giving up a PF for a SF earlier this week, would they do Booker+Maynor+2nd for Barea?

[LyricalRico]

We were talking about Varejao, but a smaller move with Cleveland that might make sense is Zeller - who has fallen out of the rotation after a disappointing rookie year. He may never turn it around, but he's got a better chance than Seraphin, and he does have offensive skills (57% TS% this season in limited time), and he's near 7'1 - though with the NBA's shortest arms for a center. I'd guess we could probably get him for Seraphin and Singleton. It's worth a shot - rather than doing nothing.

Sure, expirings for Zeller is something I'd do.

[dckingsfan]

With Minny giving up a PF for a SF earlier this week, would they do Booker+Maynor+2nd for Barea?

I don't think so... Barea is solidly in their rotation - top 7 player.

[theboomking]

All the trade discussions regarding Ersan have calmed down. I still think that if we could put together a package, the Bucks might let him go to help the tank.

[Ruzious]

All the trade discussions regarding Ersan have calmed down. I still think that if we could put together a package, the Bucks might let him go to help the tank.

At this point, we don't have anything they'd want. They'd want young legitimate talent (not Ernie's kids) and/or draft picks.

[mhd]

All the trade discussions regarding Ersan have calmed down. I still think that if we could put together a package, the Bucks might let him go to help the tank.

At this point, we don't have anything they'd want. They'd want young legitimate talent (not Ernie's kids) and/or draft picks.

Yeah, the only piece we have is Porter. His value is down b/c he's not played yet (although he probably has more value than Bennett).

The Bucks can get a better package for Ersan then we could offer.

[Ruzious]

All the trade discussions regarding Ersan have calmed down. I still think that if we could put together a package, the Bucks might let him go to help the tank.

At this point, we don't have anything they'd want. They'd want young legitimate talent (not Ernie's kids) and/or draft picks.

Yeah, the only piece we have is Porter. His value is down b/c he's not played yet (although he probably has more value than Bennett).

The Bucks can get a better package for Ersan then we could offer.

I guess there's some hope if the Wiz and Bucks get a 3rd team involved that needs someone like Ariza.

[Brazil88]

We were talking about Varejao, but a smaller move with Cleveland that might make sense is Zeller - who has fallen out of the rotation after a disappointing rookie year. He may never turn it around, but he's got a better chance than Seraphin, and he does have offensive skills (57% TS% this season in limited time), and he's near 7'1 - though with the NBA's shortest arms for a center. I'd guess we could probably get him for Seraphin and Singleton. It's worth a shot - rather than doing nothing.

I like Zeller better than Ernie's Kids. The only problem is that the bench sucks and need players that WILL produce something without a doubt. Trading for another young so so player that may or may not produce is too much of a lateral move.

That's why i thought about Varejao. He's probably at his best coming of the bench, he's a good veteran, always gives you 100%, is not a liability on the offensive end, and it's probably the first time Cleveland may be ok with trading him without asking too much (since the team is struggling so bad).

But there are other options out there. Bass is not a center, but could help this team. Amir Johnson (although i don't know if the Raptors would trade him), Jason Smith (i guess he's Nene's brother in law or something like that), Marreese Speights, Greg Smith, Kaman

[GeeWiz]

Keeping on track with possible back-up bigs, Terrence Jones out of Houston would be a perfect stretch 4. Can shoot the three on occasion and is decent rebounder.

I would trade Nene for Jones in a heartbeat.... granted the salaries don't match up but I'm sure there would be a way to make it work.

[dckingsfan]

I think Varejao would be terrific...

How about Vasquez and Thompson for Seraphin, Booker and Singleton?

Thompson will return to his normal self (back to the mean) and Vasquez would be terrific behind Wall. I guess it eats into our cap space....

[penbeast0]

I would love the Vasquez/Thompson deal if we could somehow throw Maynor into it instead/as well. But maybe that's too much to ask for.

[nate33]

I think Varejao would be terrific...

How about Vasquez and Thompson for Seraphin, Booker and Singleton?

Thompson will return to his normal self (back to the mean) and Vasquez would be terrific behind Wall. I guess it eats into our cap space....

Jason Thompson is signed for about $6.4M a year through 2017. He's a decent role player (or at least he has been in the past) but he's not enough of a difference maker for me to even consider trading our last shot at obtaining a star-caliber big man via free agency. I'd much rather have that cap room.

If we wanted to trade expiring contracts for a legitimately good win-now vet like Carlos Boozer or something, I'd at least consider it. But not for Jason freaking Thompson.

[nate33]

Keeping on track with possible back-up bigs, Terrence Jones out of Houston would be a perfect stretch 4. Can shoot the three on occasion and is decent rebounder.

I would trade Nene for Jones in a heartbeat.... granted the salaries don't match up but I'm sure there would be a way to make it work.

When we first start noticing young bigs playing well for other teams, you can be certain that those other teams have already figured it out. Houston isn't giving away Terrence Jones for cheap.

[penbeast0]

I think Varejao would be terrific...

How about Vasquez and Thompson for Seraphin, Booker and Singleton?

Thompson will return to his normal self (back to the mean) and Vasquez would be terrific behind Wall. I guess it eats into our cap space....

Jason Thompson is signed for about $6.4M a year through 2017. He's a decent role player (or at least he has been in the past) but he's not enough of a difference maker for me to even consider trading our last shot at obtaining a star-caliber big man via free agency. I'd much rather have that cap room.

If we wanted to trade expiring contracts for a legitimately good win-now vet like Carlos Boozer or something, I'd at least consider it. But not for Jason freaking Thompson.

With Gortat, Ariza, and Vesely coming off the books, that's $15 million. That gives us one shot at a difference making big man still while giving us a decent bench where we are weakest. If we can sign one and Porter works out, we actually have a decent 8 man rotation when Nene is healthy. Not a cap guru; correct me if I'm wrong.

[dckingsfan]

I think Varejao would be terrific...

How about Vasquez and Thompson for Seraphin, Booker and Singleton?

Thompson will return to his normal self (back to the mean) and Vasquez would be terrific behind Wall. I guess it eats into our cap space....

Jason Thompson is signed for about $6.4M a year through 2017. He's a decent role player (or at least he has been in the past) but he's not enough of a difference maker for me to even consider trading our last shot at obtaining a star-caliber big man via free agency. I'd much rather have that cap room.

If we wanted to trade expiring contracts for a legitimately good win-now vet like Carlos Boozer or something, I'd at least consider it. But not for Jason freaking Thompson.

And Varejao?

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I think Varejao would be terrific...

How about Vasquez and Thompson for Seraphin, Booker and Singleton?

Thompson will return to his normal self (back to the mean) and Vasquez would be terrific behind Wall. I guess it eats into our cap space....

Varajao could be a good fit. Basically utilize a 3 man rotation at C/PF of Gortat, Varajao, Nene, with Gortat and Nene starting and Varajao backing up both.

A logical deal would be Ariza for Varajao straight up. Both have about similar value, and Ariza would fill a need for the Cavs at SF. Moving Varajao would open pt for Bennett, moving Ariza would open pt for Porter.

Maybe try to expand the deal to acquire Jarrett Jack. Maynor and Jack can both be dealt after 12/15. We'd want to wait a few weeks at least before moving Ariza to get Porter up to speed and see if he's ready to step in at least in a backup role to Webster. A deal of Varajao, Jack, Gee for Ariza, Seraphin, Maynor, Singleton, Booker works. Cleveland gets younger and shortens their financial obligations while getting back comparable talent to build towards the future. Washington gets vets and experience and depth in needed spots to further their win now mantra.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6365305

Wizards after trade...

C - Gortat, Varajao, Nene
PF- Nene, Varajao, Harrington, Vesely
SF- Webster, Porter, Gee, Rice
SG- Beal, Jack, Temple, Rice
PG- Wall, Jack, Temple

A top 8 of Gortat, Varajao, Nene, Porter, Webster, Beal, Jack, Wall. A starting 5 of Gortat, Nene, Webster, Beal, Wall, with Varajao, Porter, Jack as top reserves. Bench would be rounded out with role players Harrington, Vesely, Gee, Rice, Temple.

[nate33]

Jason Thompson is signed for about $6.4M a year through 2017. He's a decent role player (or at least he has been in the past) but he's not enough of a difference maker for me to even consider trading our last shot at obtaining a star-caliber big man via free agency. I'd much rather have that cap room.

If we wanted to trade expiring contracts for a legitimately good win-now vet like Carlos Boozer or something, I'd at least consider it. But not for Jason freaking Thompson.

With Gortat, Ariza, and Vesely coming off the books, that's $15 million. That gives us one shot at a difference making big man still while giving us a decent bench where we are weakest. If we can sign one and Porter works out, we actually have a decent 8 man rotation when Nene is healthy. Not a cap guru; correct me if I'm wrong.

You lost me. Are you suggesting that we can still sign a difference making big man even after trading expirings for Thompson? If so, I have to disagree. Thompson would cost $6M against our cap, and we'd still owe our 1st round pick $2M or so, so that $15M in cap room drops to about $7M. You don't get difference makers for $7M. You just get serviceable starters.

[penbeast0]

I had Thompson balanced out by Seraphin, Booker, and Singleton but hadn't take the 1st rounder into account . . . and I wanted to make sure Maynor went out in the deal so that might equal out to about 2 million extra. Can we get a difference maker for $15 million or is my math off? (can dump Harrington and Temple too but not sure we save anything since we still have to sign a couple of minimum types to make up 13 bodies)

[nate33]

I think Varejao would be terrific...

How about Vasquez and Thompson for Seraphin, Booker and Singleton?

Thompson will return to his normal self (back to the mean) and Vasquez would be terrific behind Wall. I guess it eats into our cap space....

Jason Thompson is signed for about $6.4M a year through 2017. He's a decent role player (or at least he has been in the past) but he's not enough of a difference maker for me to even consider trading our last shot at obtaining a star-caliber big man via free agency. I'd much rather have that cap room.

If we wanted to trade expiring contracts for a legitimately good win-now vet like Carlos Boozer or something, I'd at least consider it. But not for Jason freaking Thompson.

And Varejao?

Varejao is definitely a better target. At least he's a legit impact player. I'd really be in favor of the idea if we could somehow convince Gortat to sign for a 2-year deal, even if it's for $14M a year or so. That way, we just commit to the existing core, with a veteran big rotation of Gortat, Nene and Varejao, and then we reset in 2016 with cap room as Gortat and Nene come off the books. But I really doubt that's going to be the case. I really think we will sign Gortat for 3 or more years, which puts an end to any hope of acquiring a good young big man via free agency.

This is why I hated the Okafor for Gortat trade so much. It commits us to our roster as currently constructed for the foreseeable future. There really is very little hope that we will add a good young big man in the foreseeable future unless we get really lucky and draft the next Larry Sanders with a pick in the late teens.

[mhd]

I think Varejao would be terrific...

How about Vasquez and Thompson for Seraphin, Booker and Singleton?

Thompson will return to his normal self (back to the mean) and Vasquez would be terrific behind Wall. I guess it eats into our cap space....

Jason Thompson is signed for about $6.4M a year through 2017. He's a decent role player (or at least he has been in the past) but he's not enough of a difference maker for me to even consider trading our last shot at obtaining a star-caliber big man via free agency. I'd much rather have that cap room.

If we wanted to trade expiring contracts for a legitimately good win-now vet like Carlos Boozer or something, I'd at least consider it. But not for Jason freaking Thompson.

With Gortat, Ariza, and Vesely coming off the books, that's $15 million. That gives us one shot at a difference making big man still while giving us a decent bench where we are weakest. If we can sign one and Porter works out, we actually have a decent 8 man rotation when Nene is healthy. Not a cap guru; correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not so sure that Gortat isn't better than Monroe (when factoring in defense and the fact that his agent isn't David Falk and he won't command a max salary).