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[Newz]

This forum has become almost unreadable after the game yesterday. So much overreaction, so many people just making blatantly false statements.

That makes me sad as the Bucks forum has already turned into a steaming pile of poop.

[whatthe_buck!?]

This forum has become almost unreadable after the game yesterday. So much overreaction, so many people just making blatantly false statements.

That makes me sad as the Bucks forum has already turned into a steaming pile of poop.

Not sure if serious? The Bucks forum is a "steaming pile of poop"?? Have u been paying attention to what's been going on over the last few days? Not to mention that everyone is on the same side and pulling in the same direction for the first time ever. As I feel about many of your opinions, whatever bro smh...

[dedned]

This forum has become almost unreadable after the game yesterday. So much overreaction, so many people just making blatantly false statements.

That makes me sad as the Bucks forum has already turned into a steaming pile of poop.

Well ain't you the cherry on top.

[emunney]

Also - **** Jeremy Ross. How dare you prance around like a **** douche after playing like **** in GB despite getting more chances than I would've given you. Show some respect.

They cut him, I can understand his joy. That said, very much **** him. Guy was clearly a mole.

[Newz]

Also - **** Jeremy Ross. How dare you prance around like a **** douche after playing like **** in GB despite getting more chances than I would've given you. Show some respect.

They cut him, I can understand his joy. That said, very much **** him. Guy was clearly a mole.

When he actually caught the ball on his punt and kickoff opportunities, I was stun.

[whatthe_buck!?]

It's substantive insights like that one that manage to keep this forum afloat above the 'steaming pile of poop' level.

[mnstinks]

Finally people see that this team has never been good. Just have one of the best QBs ever to play the game in his prime and nothing else.

The way this team is built is a joke. Way too young of a team to put around Rodgers.

One of the worst rosters in the NFL if you don't factor in the QB position.

This defense has been a joke since Capers has been here. Have we ever had a good defense? Waste a whole draft on defense and still are pathetic. There are no big time players on defense except for Mathews. I like Hayward and Shields and that's it. I don't know what to think of Raji because I feel he is put in a position to not impact anything or he is just overrated.

Its pathetic that this team couldn't manage to win 1 game with Rodgers gone.

Packers have the best free agent weapon in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers. Who wouldn't want to come here and play with him. So why do we have to build our whole team around the draft.

Yeah, terrible job by Thompson...we don't need guys like Finely, Cobb, Bulaga, not to mention a boat load of 2nd string type guys who are out.

[chuckleslove]

Finally people see that this team has never been good. Just have one of the best QBs ever to play the game in his prime and nothing else.

The way this team is built is a joke. Way too young of a team to put around Rodgers.

One of the worst rosters in the NFL if you don't factor in the QB position.

This defense has been a joke since Capers has been here. Have we ever had a good defense? Waste a whole draft on defense and still are pathetic. There are no big time players on defense except for Mathews. I like Hayward and Shields and that's it. I don't know what to think of Raji because I feel he is put in a position to not impact anything or he is just overrated.

Its pathetic that this team couldn't manage to win 1 game with Rodgers gone.

Packers have the best free agent weapon in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers. Who wouldn't want to come here and play with him. So why do we have to build our whole team around the draft.

Yeah, terrible job by Thompson...we don't need guys like Finely, Cobb, Bulaga, not to mention a boat load of 2nd string type guys who are out.

No kidding.

In response to his original post:


Have we ever had a good defense since Capers has been here? Look I think he needs to be replaced in the offseason as well but we won a Super Bowl mostly because our defense was ranked #2 in the league that season.

Your selective memory is amusing given your post history around here.

[Newz]

I especially like how he leads with:

Finally people see that this team has never been good.

The team has never been good? We won the Super Bowl three years ago and followed it up by going 15-1... then we made the playoffs again last year.

I know your belief is that's 100% Aaron Rodgers and nobody else contributed to those wins. But if that's the case, have the Patriots ever actually been good? Are the Broncos actually good? Were the Colts ever good when they had Manning? What about the Saints, are they actually good? Was Baltimore good last year or was it just because Joe Flacco played amazing during the playoffs that they won?

Your opinion that Rodgers is the sole reason we win on a team featuring the likes of Matthews, Hayward, Cobb, Nelson and a host of other good players is really strange.

And the year that we won the Super Bowl we won it by being more of a defensive team that an offensive team. Matthews was a star that year, Raji was great, Bishop was all-pro level, Tramon was all-pro level, Jenkins was at an all-pro level, Woodson and Collins were playing at a HoF level... so yeah, at one point our defense was among the best in the NFL.

[rilamann]

It is pretty crazy to say the Packers haven't been a good team over the past few seasons obviously.

But some people seem to think that because we won the Super Bowl in 2010 and that because we simply have Aaron Rodgers that we are one of the top tier contending teams that can win it all every season.

That's a very flawed way of thinking.

It's way a of thinking that's going to get you punched in the mouth of reality when the Packers play the real contenders in January.

AS HAS BEEN PROVEN THE PAST 2 SEASONS.

This team defensively is nowhere near the level it was in 2010,it's night and day.

Think about it,on that 2010 squad on defense you had...

Nick Collins,one of the best in the league at his position at arguably the most important position on an NFL defense.
Woodson playing at a DPOY level.
Clay playing at a DPOY level.
Raji playing at a pro bowl level.
Tramon playing at a pro bowl level
Bishop playing at a pro bowl level
Shields playing at a borderline pro bowl level
Cullen Jenkins played at a borderline pro bowl level in the playoffs.
AJ Hawk had a career year.


All those guys are either gone or no longer playing at that level and we either haven't replaced them or haven't had that type of production from the guys who are still on the team.

Put any one of those 9 guys from 2010 on our defense right now in 2013 and they are easily our best player or at worst 2nd best player (behind Clay) on defense.

9 PLAYERS!!!!!

Yet you have delusional people thinking that because the Packers won it all in 2010 we are still a top tier contender now.

Laughable.

[El Duderino]

This team defensively is nowhere near the level it was in 2010,it's night and day.

Think about it,on that 2010 squad on defense you had...

Nick Collins,one of the best in the league at his position at arguably the most important position on an NFL defense.
Woodson playing at a DPOY level.
Clay playing at a DPOY level.
Raji playing at a pro bowl level.
Tramon playing at a pro bowl level
Bishop playing at a pro bowl level
Shields playing at a borderline pro bowl level
Cullen Jenkins played at a borderline pro bowl level in the playoffs.
AJ Hawk had a career year.


All those guys are either gone or no longer playing at that level and we either haven't replaced them or haven't had that type of production from the guys who are still on the team.

Put any one of those 9 guys from 2010 on our defense right now in 2013 and they are easily our best player or at worst 2nd best player (behind Clay) on defense.

9 PLAYERS!!!!!

Yet you have delusional people thinking that because the Packers won it all in 2010 we are still a top tier contender now.

Laughable.

There certainly has been a mix of a talent/production drain from that 2010 defense.

For whatever reason, both Raji and Tramon have regressed significantly. Pickett is old. Woodson gone. Jenkins was a key cog that year. Collins retirement was a huge blow and Ted has struggled to fill the safety spot with quality players. Brad Jones played well last year after injuries gave him a shot at ILB, but he's not played as well this year. Perry can't stay healthy. Hayward got hurt. House has flashed in preseason, but it hasn't carried to regular season games.

That all said, i'm still shocked by the complete collapse of the run defense this year. It didn't just regress some, it cratered to worst in the league levels.

[eagle13]

From 3rd in D against he run – loose QB – to 19th?
Problem with blaming Raji is in Pack system the DL are asked to sacrifice stats and instead to tie up blockers for OLB’s to get tackles and sacks. I believe D’s collapse against the run is primarily the OLBs. They lost Matthews, Perry and Neal during chunks of the plunge. Also BJones is only OK at ILB.

What have you been watching?

The OLB's deserve some blame for the collapse of the run defense, but there is tons of blame to go around. Offenses have been gashing us up plenty on runs right up the gut where are DL guys are getting dominated, allowing lineman to scrape off and get on linebackers.

I wasn't able to watch the game as intently today as most games because i was with family, but last week Gerhart was running right up the gut for huge gains as our DL got their asss whipped. I'm sure that happened a lot today also. No defense gets destroyed on the ground repeatedly if the DL is playing well. Linebackers have to do their job also, but the big fat bodies simply can't get pushed around as has been happening. Pickett is old and Raji not eating up blockers like an 8 million dollar DT/NT should. That whole front seven is to blame.

WhIle the DL was getting trashed at the LOS this game - the overall worst performance as a unit since Rodger's injury is
1-OLB
2-S
3-ILB
4-DL
5-CB

Fire Capers, Joe Whitt, Darren Perry

Capers will be canned after the season, but i don't see why you are blaming Whitt and Perry so much. In fact, i remember reading that Whitt is highly thought of in the league and teams have tried taking him away, but the Packers denied permission to talk with him. He's done a solid job over the years helping develop corners.

The safety play has been horrible, but outside of Burnett, Perry hasn't exactly been handed much talent by Ted to work with. Most scouts after the draft said they were quite surprised that McMillan was drafted so high. He was simply a whiff by TT. All other safeties on the roster are undrafted free agents. Burnett has physical gifts, but smarts and instincts are huge at that position. Collins had those instincts, Burnett doesn't as evidenced by how few plays he makes. Ted giving Burnett 30 million looks like a mistake.

Mis-Communications, wrong pursuit angles, blown coverages & missed assignments are all partly due to coaching

Resign Jolly & Wilson, Shields, Neal & Francois

Shields is the only guy among those five i really care about. Wilson is a decent run defending 3-4 guy on the DL, but only worth bringing back if he's plenty cheap. Jolly is out of shape and wears down to easy. Francois is a spare part. Neal i'm conflicted on. He flashed pass rush ability at times, but is invisible a lot also. I would rather he is back than not given Nate Palmer and Mulumba have produced almost nothing when forced into action, but i wouldn't want to pay Neal any sizable amount of money. Speaking of Palmer, how did he even make the team? Mulumba rarely made any plays so far, but he at least has an ideal body for the position. Palmer though doesn't look to have a shred of play making ability.

Shields is the most important. With Neal its up to the coaches - commit him to OLB for an entire training camp and get him lots of reps there. The rest have value if signed AT BARGAIN PRICES

[Profound23]

Also - **** Jeremy Ross. How dare you prance around like a **** douche after playing like **** in GB despite getting more chances than I would've given you. Show some respect.

They cut him, I can understand his joy. That said, very much **** him. Guy was clearly a mole.

That was very annoying.

I could understand if the guy did outstanding things for us then we cut him. He was given SO many chances that to be acting as if we wronged him is pretty f***ed up.

Doesn't matter, the Superbowl representative from the NFC won't be from our division and all that matters is the title.

[FAH1223]

It is pretty crazy to say the Packers haven't been a good team over the past few seasons obviously.

But some people seem to think that because we won the Super Bowl in 2010 and that because we simply have Aaron Rodgers that we are one of the top tier contending teams that can win it all every season.

That's a very flawed way of thinking.

It's way a of thinking that's going to get you punched in the mouth of reality when the Packers play the real contenders in January.

AS HAS BEEN PROVEN THE PAST 2 SEASONS.

This team defensively is nowhere near the level it was in 2010,it's night and day.

Think about it,on that 2010 squad on defense you had...

Nick Collins,one of the best in the league at his position at arguably the most important position on an NFL defense.
Woodson playing at a DPOY level.
Clay playing at a DPOY level.
Raji playing at a pro bowl level.
Tramon playing at a pro bowl level
Bishop playing at a pro bowl level
Shields playing at a borderline pro bowl level
Cullen Jenkins played at a borderline pro bowl level in the playoffs.
AJ Hawk had a career year.


All those guys are either gone or no longer playing at that level and we either haven't replaced them or haven't had that type of production from the guys who are still on the team.

Put any one of those 9 guys from 2010 on our defense right now in 2013 and they are easily our best player or at worst 2nd best player (behind Clay) on defense.

9 PLAYERS!!!!!

Yet you have delusional people thinking that because the Packers won it all in 2010 we are still a top tier contender now.

Laughable.

Shields is better than he was in 2010 by miles. And AJ Hawk was having one of his better seasons up until the past month. Clay is still Clay when healthy.

But other than that, you're right.