2014 Draft Thread

[bwgood77]

How long before we change this thread to a simple draft thread, because the tank is running on empty; and that's without Bledsoe!!

I've been thinking of changing the title back to my original title, before it got changed. But you can consider the tankapalooza to be what a good number of other teams are doing, intentionally or not.

[RunDogGun]

How long before we change this thread to a simple draft thread, because the tank is running on empty; and that's without Bledsoe!!

I've been thinking of changing the title back to my original title, before it got changed. But you can consider the tankapalooza to be what a good number of other teams are doing, intentionally or not.

Wouldn't unintentional losing on purpose, just be called losing?

[bwgood77]

How long before we change this thread to a simple draft thread, because the tank is running on empty; and that's without Bledsoe!!

I've been thinking of changing the title back to my original title, before it got changed. But you can consider the tankapalooza to be what a good number of other teams are doing, intentionally or not.

Wouldn't unintentional losing on purpose, just be called losing?

I'm not completely sure what you mean by "unintentional losing on purpose" because that term contradicts itself.

But what I do mean is that many teams, particularly in the east are doing worse unintentionally (not tanking), then the ones who didn't try to improve their team, either by not signing vets that many have made them better now, trading vets or letting them walk for future draft picks, etc (tanking).

But yes, "unintentionally tanking" is contradictory in and of itself, so I hope the clarification as to what I meant to get at clears it up for you.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The wolves look like a playoff team and with how bad the east is wash could def sneak in as a 7 or 8 seed. Sure looks like the suns could have 3 picks in the 10-20 range and 1 in the late 20s. Will be interesting to see how they manage that. My guess is they package some picks for an impact player. But if no good deal presents itself I would be all for using all the picks. After the top 5 any draft is a crapshoot. But if you roll the dice 4 times and do a good job scouting there's a decent chance you get an impact guy out of atleast one of the picks.


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[bwgood77]

The wolves look like a playoff team and with how bad the east is wash could def sneak in as a 7 or 8 seed. Sure looks like the suns could have 3 picks in the 10-20 range and 1 in the late 20s. Will be interesting to see how they manage that. My guess is they package some picks for an impact player. But if no good deal presents itself I would be all for using all the picks. After the top 5 any draft is a crapshoot. But if you roll the dice 4 times and do a good job scouting there's a decent chance you get an impact guy out of atleast one of the picks.


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I agree. People sometimes mention we don't need four rookies. And while that may be true, it's easy to misfire on one pick and have a bust, but it's gotta be pretty unlikely to misfire three or four times.

Late game tonight pitting two high scoring draft hopefuls...Doug McDermott vs Jahii Carson. I could see them trying to outdo each other to see who can be the game leading scorer. 11pm et....ESPN2

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/preview?gameId=400504478

[WeekapaugGroove]

Sure your not going to play 4 rooks but it allows you to take projects (like Len and Goodwin r now) and stash them on the bench or in the d league.

That being said if the suns continue to look good I'm not opposed to using a couple of the picks to add an impact vet starter. Just wouldn't deal any of the picks for role players if the right trade isn't there.


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[Ryu]

Duke - Zona.

Jabari is a future superstar but, man, Rodney Hood looks like a baller also. He would look great as our future small forward.

The Wildcats look like a very well balanced team so far. Brandon Ashley could be one of the draft sleepers next June, a very interesting prospect.

[bwgood77]

Duke - Zona.

Jabari is a future superstar but, man, Rodney Hood looks like a baller also. He would look great as our future small forward.

The Wildcats look like a very well balanced team so far. Brandon Ashley could be one of the draft sleepers next June, a very interesting prospect.

Yeah, I've been watching Rodney Hood and I was thinking the same thing. I have kind of had him or James Young pegged as our possible future small forward.

I agree about AZ....so balanced across the board. McConnell, Johnson, Ashley, Tarczewski, Hollis-Jefferson and Gordon all look good.

Also, Parker may have scored 19 pts, but it was on 21 shots, and shooting 33%. Gordon may have scored 10, but on only 6 shots, and impacted the game in many other ways. At first I was thinking "Is he a little overrated?" but he made some super key plays down the stretch with great assists and blocks, and also pulled down 7 boards. He just seems like a smart player.

[DirtyDez]

Cats are going to the Final Four. That I know.

Gordon is for sure gone but i think everyone else comes back plus Stanley Johnson is on his way. Tarc is huge but he still lacks touch around the hoop and RJH is just really raw but talented.

Sean Miller is building a monster...

[Blackification]

Do you guys think Gordon could possible fall to us in the draft? I know its to early to predict what our standings will be but lets say we get the 10th pick should we go for him? He seems pretty good he could be like bledsoe being on a stacked team and not getting a chance to shine all by himself like jabari, wiggins, and randle

[Ryu]

Do you guys think Gordon could possible fall to us in the draft? I know its to early to predict what our standings will be but lets say we get the 10th pick should we go for him? He seems pretty good he could be like bledsoe being on a stacked team and not getting a chance to shine all by himself like jabari, wiggins, and randle

It`s possible. He could go anywhere from 6th to 13th, imho.

My ideal (and realistic) draft scenario right now would be snatching Gordon with our pick and packaging other picks to move up to mid/late lottery for Rodney Hood. If Hood is gone take one of Young/Robinson/Hezonja/Selden with Minny or Wizz pick (I hope at least one of them makes the playoffs).

Dragic/Bledsoe
Bledsoe/Goodwin/Green
Hood/Morris/Green
Gordon/Morris/Frye
Plumlee/Len/Frye

That would be a very nice, athletic and talented team.

[JMac1]

Do you guys think Gordon could possible fall to us in the draft? I know its to early to predict what our standings will be but lets say we get the 10th pick should we go for him? He seems pretty good he could be like bledsoe being on a stacked team and not getting a chance to shine all by himself like jabari, wiggins, and randle

It`s possible. He could go anywhere from 6th to 13th, imho.

My ideal (and realistic) draft scenario right now would be snatching Gordon with our pick and packaging other picks to move up to mid/late lottery for Rodney Hood. If Hood is gone take one of Young/Robinson/Hezonja/Selden with Minny or Wizz pick (I hope at least one of them makes the playoffs).

Dragic/Bledsoe
Bledsoe/Goodwin/Green
Hood/Morris/Green
Gordon/Morris/Frye
Plumlee/Len/Frye

That would be a very nice, athletic and talented team.

Lol...We don't play the rookies we have, yet you have two of them starting; what year would that be? They have to earn their minutes like Goodwin and the guys we have at the four and three aren't bad right now. Or do you plan on tanking next year, because that lineup ain't doing jack!

[Ryu]

I didn`t specifically say they would start from day one (with that lineup `that ain`t doing a jack` I had a next couple of years in mind) but having 2 players that talented in a rotation would obviously be a great thing.

And make your own mind, on the other thread you want to tank and play kids huge minutes, now you are against having high potential players on the team...

[JMac1]

I didn`t specifically say they would start from day one (with that lineup `that ain`t doing a jack` I had a next couple of years in mind) but having 2 players that talented in a rotation would obviously be a great thing.

And make your own mind, on the other thread you want to tank and play kids huge minutes, now you are against having high potential players on the team...

Find a quote from me saying I want the Suns to lose and I am against having high potential players on the team, please.

I stated that having all of those guys in the lineup is horrible. You did not place them in the rotation, you put them in the starting lineup. Change it and show me what the team will look like totally next year in your mind and I will comment accordingly.

Edit; Actually you did place them in the starting lineup

[Ryu]

The essence of my post above wasn`t about lineup but those players I want us to draft. I don`t care if they start or come from the bench initially. However, latter is more possible, I`ll give you that.

[Mjee]

After watching 3 weeks of college basketball, I have formulated early thoughts about some of the players in this years draft class:

Jabari Parker is a stud!! Reminds me a lot of Carmelo Anthony. The guy is a natural scorer, who can get buckets in bunches. He is a really good shooter, who is not afraid to play inside and draw contact. In my opinion, he is the best all round player in this draft class and should be the number one pick in the draft come July!

Julius Randle is another future superstar. He reminds me of a more athletic Zach Randolph. Great post presence who has a nice soft touch around the rim. He will also throw it down in your face if you are not careful. He also has a nice game 10-15 feet away from the basket. In my opinion again, I think he should be the number 2 pick come June.

Marcus Smart has been fantastic so far this season. Not only was his decision to stay in college admirable, but it was smart (no pun intended). He has tremendously improved his shooting along with his ball handling skills. He is a natural leader, along with the fact that he does a nice job getting his teammates involved. He has fantastic size at the point guard position and speed, which will help him transition to the NBA next year. I see him as a future NBA all - star and a top 3 pick this year.

Andrew Wiggins. Has tremendous potential!! Super athletic with a pretty decent basketball IQ. After watching him
these past couple of weeks, I was not impressed because of all the hype that surrounded him. He needs to improve his shot and is very raw. Although he has the chance to be the best player in this class, I just don't see it so far. I really think he is in the wrong system at Kansas. He would have been better suited at a Georgetown or Indiana. Players like Randle, Smart, and Parker are more NBA ready.

Unfortunately, I do not think the Suns will land any of these players. We are simply too good! If we miss the play-offs we will be picking anywhere between 9-14. This is not a terrible thing! We are establishing a hard-working / winning culture in PHX. IMO we are an all-star away from being a top 3 team in the west. Jeff Hornachek should be commended on how he has coached this young team so far. The suns have been a pleasant surprise and I believe this years early success is just the beginning.

With that being said I wouldn't mind drafting McDermott, Jahii Carson, or Gary Harris. Those are just a couple of guys to keep an eye on!

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

[King4Day]

I'm getting a bit sick of reading the back and forth bantering between wanting to lose games and wanting to compete for the playoffs.
Stop 'Judgement' of someone's fandom. If you root for the team, you are a fan. If you would prefer to root for future success, you are a fan. If everyone agreed with one side all the time, then these forums would be useless.

Also, don't use the word 'tank' unless you or the person you're having your argument with means they want the team fail on purpose. That the players and coaches, and mgmt. have all decided to lose on purpose. That's tanking.
Sitting Dragic a couple games at the end of the last season to 'rest' him when he said he didn't (against a team we were fighting for lottery position) need it is tanking.
Sitting Gortat longer than he needed to last year when he coulda returned a week or so at seasons end is tanking.

If someone says they would rather see Tucker and Green sit in favor of Goodwin, Christmas, or someone, why does that bother people?
Nevermind that it would assist in losing games. Sure, it would, but it would also speed up the younger guys' development. We know what Green and Tucker can do. We don't know what Goodwin can do yet and we signed Christmas for a reason. We didn't go into this season with the mindset of, 'this talent is ready to compete'. It wouldn't hurt to see if we have a long term piece at some point either. They've got a lot of talent.

For people so hell-bent on winning, but ripping those who prefer having a better chance at a higher pick, keep in mind, after a while (if it hasn't already begun), teams will start figuring us out. Things will start evening out. What will you be so happy about if we wind up with a 7 or 8 playoff seed or a later lottery pick? What kind of future will that lead us to? Perhaps we get lucky in the draft but it's easier to find a star earlier on.
It would mean we are now forced to compete for being elite again. Rebuilding over.

There are no stars coming to Phoenix anytime soon as free agency is thin until Durant comes out and, if people didn't know already, there could be 29 other teams trying to lure him.
Not to mention Bledsoe will have us by the balls as we'll be forced to commit to him this offseason.

Everyone is free to their opinion but stop being so hard on each other just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion. It's f'n annoying to read.

[Frank Lee]

The 'Tankers' are not quite as 'tanky' now. They have switched arguments and now consider themselves 'the Developers'.

Nevermind that it would assist in losing games. Sure, it would, but it would also speed up the younger guys' development.

See... right there... the backdoor reference. Assist means to help. One could believe that you think it is a good thing to lose.



Consider the obvious.... Tucker is playing his sack off trying to remain in this league and earn at least one decent contract. He is a restricted FA and probably one of our better trade assets. He would not be nearly as valuable if minutes were limited to 'try out' Goodwin. The same can be said for Green. He also has improved his value with playing time.

You guys gaga over Goodwin could at least acknowledge that may be, just may be, Hornacek knows what he has in Archie, and is being patient with his development. You girls really want to see Goodwin for your own jollies. We have him for the next 4 GD yrs. Exercise a little bit of patience. He'll get his due, when coach thinks he is ready, and/or by minutes opening up from injury/trade. This is a 2-3 yr rebuild but you all want it to carry on at your pace. 4 years... remember that.

Personally, for most of you disgruntled Goodwhiners, I am inclined to believe the dismantled Tank is what is driving your Stank.

I see no downside in Tucker and Green's success. They may be key pieces in a future deal, or (shudder ) solid contributors over the next couple of yrs.

[thamadkant]

The 'Tankers' are not quite as 'tanky' now. They have switched arguments and now consider themselves 'the Developers'.

Nevermind that it would assist in losing games. Sure, it would, but it would also speed up the younger guys' development.

See... right there... the backdoor reference. Assist means to help. One could believe that you think it is a good thing to lose.



Consider the obvious.... Tucker is playing his sack off trying to remain in this league and earn at least one decent contract. He is a restricted FA and probably one of our better trade assets. He would not be nearly as valuable if minutes were limited to 'try out' Goodwin. The same can be said for Green. He also has improved his value with playing time.

You guys gaga over Goodwin could at least acknowledge that may be, just may be, Hornacek knows what he has in Archie, and is being patient with his development. You girls really want to see Goodwin for your own jollies. We have him for the next 4 GD yrs. Exercise a little bit of patience. He'll get his due, when coach thinks he is ready, and/or by minutes opening up from injury/trade. This is a 2-3 yr rebuild but you all want it to carry on at your pace. 4 years... remember that.

Personally, for most of you disgruntled Goodwhiners, I am inclined to believe the dismantled Tank is what is driving your Stank.

I see no downside in Tucker and Green's success. They may be key pieces in a future deal, or (shudder ) solid contributors over the next couple of yrs.

Again you telling people who to root for on the suns is f&$king borderline bullying.

What do you have against people supporting the younger players on the suns instead of the older ones?

My pet peeve is that you and some fans are TELLING other fans what to like, accusing them and calling them names when they don't agree with you.

There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with rooting for rookies on your team to do well and develop fast.... Absolutely NOTHING.

F@$k your crusade against this so called suns pro tankers that doesn't even exists. You wanna seen pro tankers???
Go to the Raptor boards where fans are actually really upset about winning. One or two suns fans wanting to lose doesn't create make a suns fan division.

If fans here want to root for young players to PLAY well and help the Suns... There shouldn't be anything against it.

And stop grouping people... Now labelling Goodwin supporters Goodwhiners.. WTF is wrong with you?
Get over it, and seriously stop creating a line between suns fans... This isn't f$&king politics.

[RunDogGun]

The thread is called Tankapalooza, you'd have to be high as a kite to not see there is a large group of pro tanking fans here.

I don't think Frank was telling you who to root for, other than the WHOLE Suns team. Which let's face it, you should be rooting for the whole team to do well, right?

I for one am tired of this childish tank talk.

But if you want less division, you better yell at those pro tankers as well. But I guess you can't, because you don't think they exist.