Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[dckingsfan]

There are a lot of Sactown players who we could use. Isaiah Thomas would be awesome to have and is still on a ridiculously cheap deal. He'd be a perfect backup guard off the bench. I have no idea how we would acquire these guys, but its a nice thought.

I think Sac is dangling a PG plus a contract (they want to get rid of Thorton but would do Thompson) for expiring contracts or contracts back + picks.

[mhd]

Sac isn't trading Vasquez or Thomas. They are fine (likely cheap) PGs who fit in well with Boogie. They need help at the forward spots as Mclemore has the SG slot locked in. Patterson is probably available, and since Booker has been out of the rotation, maybe Patterson coming here, Booker to 3rd team, and something of value to Sac is a deal to ponder.

[GeeWiz]

Sac isn't trading Vasquez or Thomas. They are fine (likely cheap) PGs who fit in well with Boogie. They need help at the forward spots as Mclemore has the SG slot locked in. Patterson is probably available, and since Booker has been out of the rotation, maybe Patterson coming here, Booker to 3rd team, and something of value to Sac is a deal to ponder.

I would do that deal in a heartbeat.

The Knicks have been looking to move Shumpert, and are desperate for both a backup big and point guard.
Shump could be an ultra-athletic SF next to Vasquez, McCelmore, and Boogie.
We get our stretch-4... I think this deal works out for all parties.

A deal along those lines goes:

Washington out: Trevor Booker
Washington in: Patrick Patterson

Kings out: Isaiah Thomas, Patrick Patterson
Kings in: Iman Shumpert, Tim Hardaway Jr.

Knicks out: Iman Shumpert, THJ
Knicks in: Isaiah Thomas, Trevor Booker

Yes, the Kings deal Thomas, but if it means bringing in a 3 and D guy like Shumpert, I think that they would pull the trigger.

[bjack18]

trading Ariza seemed like a foregone conclusion since the draft but now im not so sure, the team is playing well and Ariza is a leader the guys respect...i'll even say we should resign Gortat and Ariza to 2yr deals with team options for a 3rd year...

[GeeWiz]

trading Ariza seemed like a foregone conclusion since the draft but now im not so sure, the team is playing well and Ariza is a leader the guys respect...i'll even say we should resign Gortat and Ariza to 2yr deals with team options for a 3rd year...

They're great veterans, but the team simply isn't going anywhere with those two taking up a good chunk of cash.
I agree, don't trade either of them, but let them expire and see if you can acquire a game changing big man in free agency.

Would you rather have Ariza and Gortat or somebody along the lines of Monroe?

[bjack18]

trading Ariza seemed like a foregone conclusion since the draft but now im not so sure, the team is playing well and Ariza is a leader the guys respect...i'll even say we should resign Gortat and Ariza to 2yr deals with team options for a 3rd year...

They're great veterans, but the team simply isn't going anywhere with those two taking up a good chunk of cash.
I agree, don't trade either of them, but let them expire and see if you can acquire a game changing big man in free agency.

Would you rather have Ariza and Gortat or somebody along the lines of Monroe?

you know, I like Monroe only if we can move Nene which probably is not happening so I say bring them back on 2yr deals with that team option for year 3...this way Nene, Gortat and Ariza deals expire in 2 yrs which happens to be the summer that you know who is a FA...btw I believe the team holds an option on Webster that summer as well...swing for the fences, Monroe is a piece a nice one but hes not the superstar we need to make us elite

[mhd]

The Cavs are imploding. Porter for Tristan Thompson+Future Memphis 1st?

[WizardsWorld]

We should talk deal with Sacramento but its gotta be for Patterson. NOOOOO Thompson. His deal is TOO long and I like Patterson's skill set better anyway. Also the fact that he's Wall's buddy sure doesn't hurt either. With the Kings now getting DWill, I see Patterson being expendable. I might be willing to eat Thornton in the deal too if we had too. And if we could get them to throw in Ferdette or put I.Thomas in the deal, that'd work too.

[verbal8]

trading Ariza seemed like a foregone conclusion since the draft but now im not so sure, the team is playing well and Ariza is a leader the guys respect...i'll even say we should resign Gortat and Ariza to 2yr deals with team options for a 3rd year...

If they get a healthy productive season from Gortat and some team success, I agree a 3 year deal with the final year a team option is a good way to proceed. I still think plan 1A should be to pursue Monroe. However Gortat as a fallback could be a good option.

Ariza strikes me as a little bit easier to replace. His defense is good, but a defensive specialist would probably be cheaper. In fact I think they probably could get a couple of role players with the MLE that would give them more depth even if they weren't as good as Ariza individually. I think there is a good chance the Wizards can trade Ariza if they make an attempt to do so, since they may in a position to accept player(s) that are not as good.

[dorianwrite]

Could everyone please stop with the "we can sign Gortat to a three-year deal with the third year as a team option so we'll be ready for Durant's free agency" madness? Gortat is a legitimate NBA center having a very good statistical season; there's no way in hell, if he keeps this up,that he doesn't get better/longer offers than 3 years, and oh yeah, Marcin, you need to give the team the option on the third year. If we want him, we're going to have to step up and sign him longer term. If all we're offering is 3 years/team option, he goes elsewhere. Period.

[nate33]

Could everyone please stop with the "we can sign Gortat to a three-year deal with the third year as a team option so we'll be ready for Durant's free agency" madness? Gortat is a legitimate NBA center having a very good statistical season; there's no way in hell, if he keeps this up,that he doesn't get better/longer offers than 3 years, and oh yeah, Marcin, you need to give the team the option on the third year. If we want him, we're going to have to step up and sign him longer term. If all we're offering is 3 years/team option, he goes elsewhere. Period.

The only scenario where I think it's feasible to sign him to a 2-year deal is if others are offering 4-years $40M and we step up and offer 2-years, $28M. I think Gortat might take the bigger per-year money and then take his chances that he could sign yet another contract in 2 years. His next contract would only have to be for $6M a year and he would break even.

That said, I think it's likely that someone will offer $11M or $12M a year over 4 years. If the offer is that high, we won't be able to front load our deal enough to convince him take on the risk of a shorter deal.

[dckingsfan]

We should talk deal with Sacramento but its gotta be for Patterson. NOOOOO Thompson. His deal is TOO long and I like Patterson's skill set better anyway. Also the fact that he's Wall's buddy sure doesn't hurt either. With the Kings now getting DWill, I see Patterson being expendable. I might be willing to eat Thornton in the deal too if we had too. And if we could get them to throw in Ferdette or put I.Thomas in the deal, that'd work too.

The only way Sac trades with us is if they get rid of contracts. If we ate Thorton's contract they might toss in Vasquez and Patterson, but then we need 14M in contracts going the other way. I would rather not trade for Thorton and be able to sign Gortat next year.

[GeeWiz]

Why does everybody want Gortat back so bad?
He would be GREAT on a contending team like OKC in need of a Center.
We're not winning anything with an aging Gortat at center, so why not use the cap space on a younger C or PF?


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[Dat2U]

We should talk deal with Sacramento but its gotta be for Patterson. NOOOOO Thompson. His deal is TOO long and I like Patterson's skill set better anyway. Also the fact that he's Wall's buddy sure doesn't hurt either. With the Kings now getting DWill, I see Patterson being expendable. I might be willing to eat Thornton in the deal too if we had too. And if we could get them to throw in Ferdette or put I.Thomas in the deal, that'd work too.

I never quite understood the desire for Patterson. Is he even better than Booker? He's not much a rebounder and is a poor defender at PF. He's certainly not an answer as a starting PF. I'd give up one of Ernie's Kid for him but not any assets (even a future 2nd) for a middlin' bench guy who's an upcoming free agent and will probably want $3-4 million at least going forward.

[dckingsfan]

Why does everybody want Gortat back so bad?
He would be GREAT on a contending team like OKC in need of a Center.
We're not winning anything with an aging Gortat at center, so why not use the cap space on a younger C or PF?

Good point, who are you thinking of targeting next year?

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I think Varejao would be terrific...

How about Vasquez and Thompson for Seraphin, Booker and Singleton?

Thompson will return to his normal self (back to the mean) and Vasquez would be terrific behind Wall. I guess it eats into our cap space....

Varajao could be a good fit. Basically utilize a 3 man rotation at C/PF of Gortat, Varajao, Nene, with Gortat and Nene starting and Varajao backing up both.

A logical deal would be Ariza for Varajao straight up. Both have about similar value, and Ariza would fill a need for the Cavs at SF. Moving Varajao would open pt for Bennett, moving Ariza would open pt for Porter.

Maybe try to expand the deal to acquire Jarrett Jack. Maynor and Jack can both be dealt after 12/15. We'd want to wait a few weeks at least before moving Ariza to get Porter up to speed and see if he's ready to step in at least in a backup role to Webster. A deal of Varajao, Jack, Gee for Ariza, Seraphin, Maynor, Singleton, Booker works. Cleveland gets younger and shortens their financial obligations while getting back comparable talent to build towards the future. Washington gets vets and experience and depth in needed spots to further their win now mantra.

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Wizards after trade...

C - Gortat, Varajao, Nene
PF- Nene, Varajao, Harrington, Vesely
SF- Webster, Porter, Gee, Rice
SG- Beal, Jack, Temple, Rice
PG- Wall, Jack, Temple

A top 8 of Gortat, Varajao, Nene, Porter, Webster, Beal, Jack, Wall. A starting 5 of Gortat, Nene, Webster, Beal, Wall, with Varajao, Porter, Jack as top reserves. Bench would be rounded out with role players Harrington, Vesely, Gee, Rice, Temple.

Agreed, that would be a solid playoff team in the east. I hate trading Ariza but you get Jack (I don't like his contract) to backup Wall and Varejao to play D and eat FC minutes.

EG would love this trade - playoffs and he keeps his job.

I do think this could be a good trade. Cleveland is reeling. This deal gets the Cavs out of Jacks deal, gets them younger, and accelerates their rebuild.

The Wizards on the other hand add vet experience to further their push for the playoffs.

The deal would remove any chance at Monroe. But gives us a really nice trio up front of Nene, Varajao, and Gortat, which should mesh well and be good for the next couple years. Varajao provides solid Nene insurance, games like last night he could of stepped into the starting lineup. Jack gives us a very solid vet backup to Wall in place of Maynor.

Ideally Porter eventually becomes an Ariza-like starter at SF and solidifies the position as Beal solidified SG for us last season. Webster off the bench at SF and SG, Jack also backing PG and SG, Varajao backing C and PF would make for a very solid and versatile vet bench. IMO this deal would immediately make us the 3rd best team in the east, and we would get better as the young trio of Wall, Beal, Porter continue to improve.

[GeeWiz]

Why does everybody want Gortat back so bad?
He would be GREAT on a contending team like OKC in need of a Center.
We're not winning anything with an aging Gortat at center, so why not use the cap space on a younger C or PF?

Good point, who are you thinking of targeting next year?

I'm sure you've seen me rave about him, but Monroe would thrive here, and has numerous ties with DC given his Gtown background.

If we fail at Monroe, then go after Gortat for a cheap, two year deal worth a good amount. But I see Gortat as a plan B.


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[Dat2U]

Could everyone please stop with the "we can sign Gortat to a three-year deal with the third year as a team option so we'll be ready for Durant's free agency" madness? Gortat is a legitimate NBA center having a very good statistical season; there's no way in hell, if he keeps this up,that he doesn't get better/longer offers than 3 years, and oh yeah, Marcin, you need to give the team the option on the third year. If we want him, we're going to have to step up and sign him longer term. If all we're offering is 3 years/team option, he goes elsewhere. Period.

Thank you. And this is example #1 why Durant is a pipe dream under the current management. Ernie is going to have to break the bank for Gortat. He's not thinking 2-3 years down the line. Next offseason will be about maintaining mediocrity to maintain a job. Were all in for 40 wins this season and if we somehow make the playoffs, were going be all in again next year... and the year after that... until it's unsustainable and we have to blow it up again. Which will be right around the time Durant is a free agent and looking for a real CONTENDER to play with.

[barelyawake]

Could everyone please stop with the "we can sign Gortat to a three-year deal with the third year as a team option so we'll be ready for Durant's free agency" madness? Gortat is a legitimate NBA center having a very good statistical season; there's no way in hell, if he keeps this up,that he doesn't get better/longer offers than 3 years, and oh yeah, Marcin, you need to give the team the option on the third year. If we want him, we're going to have to step up and sign him longer term. If all we're offering is 3 years/team option, he goes elsewhere. Period.

Thank you. And this is example #1 why Durant is a pipe dream under the current management. Ernie is going to have to break the bank for Gortat. He's not thinking 2-3 years down the line. Next offseason will be about maintaining mediocrity to maintain a job. Were all in for 40 wins this season and if we somehow make the playoffs, were going be all in again next year... and the year after that... until it's unsustainable and we have to blow it up again. Which will be right around the time Durant is a free agent and looking for a real CONTENDER to play with.

Which is why, two years out, the pressure needs to build now in the media and among fans (and sustain for two years).

[LyricalRico]

To me, Gortat being a legit NBA center and needing to be paid like one isn't the problem. We need one of those (just like every other NBA team), so I don't mind paying.

One other option is keeping Gortat and moving Nene after the season, hopefully breaking up his contract into depth. If we can do that, the longterm cap impact would be the same. Although I would agree that the team would be unlikely to do that coming off a playoff season.