Kyle Lowry and the Raptors front court players

rapsfan31 · Post #1 » by **rapsfan31** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:09 pm

Kyle Lowry is a good player. However I believe based on what I have seen of him that he is detrimental to the development of this team. Valanciunas and Amir look like D league players with him as the starting PG. while Calderon was here Amir and Jonas would get into Pn R. With Kyle is just give it to Gay or Derozan and see what happens!

Derozan and Gay get double teamed and that leads to a lot of turnovers. Gay is worse than Derozan at passing out of double teams. Derozan is getting better but still learning.

Ujiri has some tough choices to make on a new coach, trading Gay and Lowry and bringing in PG that the team can build around. A PG that is an above average defender and makes his team mates better.

I do not know if anyone else noticed but all the passes to JV and Amir are bounce passes leading to turnovers and Kyle yelling at Valanciunas because his pass is intercepted by the opposing team's guard! No wonder Valanciunas is not growing and Amir looks worse than ever.

The Raptors need a new coach a new PG and trade Gay ASAP if JV is the future of this franchise.
Derozan is playing at another level and is growing into the player that all of us envisioned when he was drafted. He is a keeper and at least at this moment in time he is earning the contract he was given last year by BC!

The suns were rumoured to be after Gay last year as pet Wojnarowski . It looks like the subs are the best trading partners for the Raptors as they have 2 starting calibre PG in Dragic and Bledsoe. Dragon is playing well in Bledsoes absence.He is signed into a big contract and Bledsoe will command big money in the summer.

Anyone of these 2 guys will do for me! The suns will be having PG controversy soon ,if they are not already having one. The Raptors were after Bledsoe in the summer. Time will tell but if Ujiri is not involved in discussions with Phoenix right now Around these 2 players I will be very surprised.

If you had a choice of a PG for the raptors who would you pick?

AK47MVP · Post #2 » by **AK47MVP** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:58 pm

Rondo when healthy.

Primal · Post #3 » by **Primal** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:59 pm

Rajon Rondo plz

Jerry Sloan plz

Jimmy Butler plz

bonjovi0308 · Post #4 » by **bonjovi0308** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:00 pm

1) Not sure if Bledsoe can play p&r

2) Not sure if he wants to sign extension with the Raps, even if we are willing to pay

3) Adding Bledsoe might actually hurt our tank this year.

dagger · Post #5 » by **dagger** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:10 pm

I agree with the OP's diagnosis. Lowry is very unsure of his passing ability, especially passing forward. He's a poor pick and roll PG, one of the worst I have ever seen. Last night, he bounced a pass to a rolling Jonas but the pass was slow and late, and the play busted. However, Lowry yelled and gestured angrily at Jonas, when as I saw it, the pass was bad. Lowry should be a high end backup on a contender, a role in which he'd be perfect. On a developing team, he's a bad influence, and on a Casey developing team where there is too little offensive structure, he's downright counter-productive at times.

rlserenity · Post #6 » by **rlserenity** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:52 pm

I would love our team to be built around an ultra athletic pg

ATLTimekeeper · Post #7 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:55 pm

Kyle's best years were in an uptempo system with a lot of ball movement. This is pretty much the opposite. Casey doesn't like him and the media is a mouthpiece for Casey, and Kyle's demonstrative, so I can see why people pick up the idea that he's a bad seed. I'd like to know what players think he's a problem first, before we start reading into glowers and in-game yelling matches.

He can always walk at the end of the season, but who exactly do people think will be available and easy to acquire? Rondo's costing a HUGE amount and he's such a headcase Boston has been trying to shop him every year, plus he's coming off a serious injury. Dragic might be better on the PnR, but he's the same calibre of guard as Kyle and also used to playing uptempo.

MEDIC · Post #8 » by **MEDIC** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:02 pm

I wish everyone else on this team had Lowry's passion & fight.

We'd be a much better team.

OakleyDokely · Post #9 » by **OakleyDokely** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:11 pm

It's really hard to evaluate any player on this team.

You have a coach that takes an athletic team and makes them play at a snails pace. You have a coach whose offensive strategy consists of very little ball movement and iso after iso. You have a coach that plays a lot of small ball despite length upfront. When the bigs do play they're ignored or in Amir's case used a 3pt specialist.

Lowry might be good, as may other players on this teeam, but we aren't going to find out with Casey.

VanDamme · Post #10 » by **VanDamme** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:15 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:It's really hard to evaluate any player on this team.

You have a coach that takes an athletic team and makes them play at a snails pace. You have a coach whose offensive strategy consists of very little ball movement and iso after iso. You have a coach that plays a lot of small ball despite length upfront. When the bigs do play they're ignored or in Amir's case used a 3pt specialist.

Lowry might be good, as may other players on this teeam, but we aren't going to find out with Casey.

Amir has never been and is not being used as a 3pt specialist

OakleyDokely · Post #11 » by **OakleyDokely** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:11 pm

VanDamme wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:It's really hard to evaluate any player on this team.

You have a coach that takes an athletic team and makes them play at a snails pace. You have a coach whose offensive strategy consists of very little ball movement and iso after iso. You have a coach that plays a lot of small ball despite length upfront. When the bigs do play they're ignored or in Amir's case used a 3pt specialist.

Lowry might be good, as may other players on this teeam, but we aren't going to find out with Casey.

Amir has never been and is not being used as a 3pt specialist

In his 8 years in the NBA prior to this season, Amir took a combined 29 3's. He has 20 in 15 games this season.

UnderdogRaptors · Post #12 » by **UnderdogRaptors** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:21 pm

MEDIC wrote:I wish everyone else on this team had Lowry's passion & fight.

We'd be a much better team.

agreed, most of the players on our team play soft.

grumpwalter · Post #13 » by **grumpwalter** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:50 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:
VanDamme wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:It's really hard to evaluate any player on this team.

You have a coach that takes an athletic team and makes them play at a snails pace. You have a coach whose offensive strategy consists of very little ball movement and iso after iso. You have a coach that plays a lot of small ball despite length upfront. When the bigs do play they're ignored or in Amir's case used a 3pt specialist.

Lowry might be good, as may other players on this teeam, but we aren't going to find out with Casey.

Amir has never been and is not being used as a 3pt specialist

In his 8 years in the NBA prior to this season, Amir took a combined 29 3's. He has 20 in 15 games this season.

Jamario Moon 2.0

DatHomieYouHaTe · Post #14 » by **DatHomieYouHaTe** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:14 pm

MEDIC wrote:I wish everyone else on this team had Lowry's passion & fight.

We'd be a much better team.

Unfortunately, that's the only good thing about his game. He can't run a team and he's a bottom half of the league starting point guard.

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dballislife · Post #15 » by **dballislife** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:30 pm

enough with our bigs, amir is a great bench big and jonas is a raw C just starting his 2nd year, they're not the problems

our 3 main problems is we dont have a big inside presense (like a boozer, west, or lee type of guy), our 1st option takes horrible tough shots, and our coach isn't basketball smart enough

Post #16 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:41 pm

KL is not a good PG against set defences, not at all. I agree that he's not an accurate lead passer, particularly while on the move, and his entry passes aren't great. I wonder if he can see over the D. He needs to be used like a 3rd option, to have the ball kicked and reversed to him or to attack on the secondary break. He's good at making good, aggressive, quick decisions against scrambling Ds but he's the wrong guard for us because we rarely break, period (except, of course, when Rudy goes coast to almost coast), we don't have a pivot to play through (yet) and we don't have a wing to run PnR.

rapsfan31 · Post #17 » by **rapsfan31** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:44 pm

dballislife wrote:enough with our bigs, amir is a great bench big and jonas is a raw C just starting his 2nd year, they're not the problems

our 3 main problems is we dont have a big inside presense (like a boozer, west, or lee type of guy), our 1st option takes horrible tough shots, and our coach isn't basketball smart enough

Jonas is supposed to be our inside presence! Personally I would like to see Tyler start next to Jonas. I agree that Jonas is still a raw centre but one that needs to develop under the right coach , system and supporting cast. Kyle is not the right PG for this team.Kyle and Gay are talented players do not get me wrong. This is not the point that I am trying to argue nor Kyle's passion and commitment! Kyle sacrifices his body every night ,however he just does n't make his team mates better and most importantly Jonas.

If the coach and his extension on the court do not change Jonas will regress because he is under-utilized when for the Raptors to be successful will have to go through him. If you watched the game last night the heat were double teaming Gay and Derozan every time they touched the ball ,forcing turnovers and then easy baskets on the break.
The Rapors had no easy basket. In fact I was shocked how close they were and I think was primarily due to the Outstanding shooting performance of Demar and the hustle provided by Tyler and Kyle! They just did not capitalize on the FT line.

The Raptors had the chance to use their strength i.e the front court and instead tried once again to match up against the best 1to2 punch in the world in Lebron and Wade. The final outcome was an inevitable loss !

SkywalkerAC · Post #18 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:47 pm

Good chance we get a point guard in the draft.

rapsfan31 · Post #19 » by **rapsfan31** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:48 pm

dagger wrote:I agree with the OP's diagnosis. Lowry is very unsure of his passing ability, especially passing forward. He's a poor pick and roll PG, one of the worst I have ever seen. Last night, he bounced a pass to a rolling Jonas but the pass was slow and late, and the play busted. However, Lowry yelled and gestured angrily at Jonas, when as I saw it, the pass was bad. Lowry should be a high end backup on a contender, a role in which he'd be perfect. On a developing team, he's a bad influence, and on a Casey developing team where there is too little offensive structure, he's downright counter-productive at times.

I agree ! The only world that I may add in the last sentence is that : he is counter productive MOST of the time!!!

Rapcity_11 · Post #20 » by **Rapcity_11** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:47 pm

dagger wrote: Last night, he bounced a pass to a rolling Jonas but the pass was slow and late, and the play busted. However, Lowry yelled and gestured angrily at Jonas, when as I saw it, the pass was bad.

Yeah, this is entirely wrong. On that play the Heat trapped Lowry (as they always do on PnR). JV needs to sit in that pocket just behind the defenders in order to create a 4 on 3. (See the way Indiana operates vs. the Heat for reference) Instead he decided to roll to the rim. That's his mistake, not Lowry's.

Secondly, the PnR isn't entirely about hitting the roll man. No clue why so many fans think it is.