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[vincecarter4pres]

This team needs a PED buffet.

[Born_Ready]

I'm just waiting patiently for a 2 game winning streak. I don't ask for much.

[MrDollarBills]

This team needs a PED buffet.

Honestly, if he doesn't get fired, King should be trying to send Pierce out of here with the quickness. Tell KG to retire, I don't give a ****. Get rid of these ass holes. For all of this nonsense we could have kept Wallace, Brooks, and Hump.

[exculpatory]

Unlike KG (who really needs to retire), there is no doubt in my mind that Paul has plenty of game left.

I'll be honest...KG has looked better than Pierce so far imo (which isn't saying much, and KG hasn't even been good imo). The ability is still there with KG, he's just missed a ton of shots he usually makes. And he's at least had a few games where he's brought his trademark defense to the table (Lakers game comes to mind off the top of my head, but there's been a few others). Pierce has had a few games where he shot the ball well, but in spite of his good shooting games, his season has been littered with TOs, poor decision-making, and overall poor shooting. He really doesn't look like he has much left tbh...he can't break anyone down off the dribble without traveling or forcing up a bad shot, he can't read defenses or make passes without throwing it to the other team, and he can't dribble the ball or attack the basket without getting stripped and turning it over...if he could at least spot up and shoot the ball well, it wouldn't be nearly as bad, but he's been bricking open looks as well.

I agree with most but not all of your critique. He actually has looked good at times going to the hoop, & he has barely missed/rimmed out a boatload of wide open & contested shots that he usually makes in his sleep. KG IMO has much less left in the tank.

All I can say is that he looked somewhat like this for most of January 2013. & then a very limiting compressed cervical nerve on his shooting side was revealed to the public. And then he put up literally All Pro freaking numbers in Feb & Mar 2013, was the primary scorer AND playmaker at age 35 for the Rondo-less Celtics, & led them to one of the best records in the NBA during Feb & Mar.

I simply do not understand how his shooting has suddenly dropped off a veritable freaking cliff (48.5% & 42.5% from 3 after the ASG to an abysmal 36.8% & 26.8% after 15 games this season) - unless he is hurt again. I otherwise do not comprehend that kind of cataclysmic decline. Or has age permanently caught up with him between freaking March & November? Bizarre!!!

His lack of effort at times is also totally baffling. He has always been a gamer & not a quitter. Has he lost his passion for the game because Ainge traded him to start the Celtics rebuild earlier - when he absolutely deserved to retire a 15+ year HOF Celtic just as Kobe, Dirk & Timmy will retire as HOFERS for the Lakers, Mavs & Spurs? Grr!

In any case, something has to change. You guys have every right to be pissed off. You are not getting what you traded for.

[DrazenForThree]

You guys are ridiculous for blaming King. He put together an amazing team.

Kidd shares some of the blame. But at the end of the day, he is on the sideline wearing a suit and tie. He is not the one who is playing like crap out there. And lackluster effort. These are all VETERANS. They knowhow to play winning basketball.

Here are the people to blame:

Pierce- The supposed seasoned veteran. He makes stupid mistake after stupid mistake.

KG- The guy who was supposed to change the "culture" of our team, has done nothing in that regard. His offense has fallen off a cliff and his defense is mediocre. Should retire.

Deron- Can't even stay healthy anymore. And when he does, he plays like an average PG. Not a superstar. Never will be again.

Johnson- 22 million dollars a year. Honestly hes not that bad compared to the rest. But hes not a leader, plays with no passion, and does nothing to dominate or win us games.

All in all this team is a joke. KG and Pierce are DONE. D-Will and Johnson are wannabes. The bench is ok.

Only player I respect on this team is Lopez. But hes no Lebron either. He'd be an excellent piece to a winning team.

you say king built an amazing team, and then go on to tell us how he gave away 3 lottery picks for a diva overrated superstar, threw away 2 picks on the most overpaid player in the league, and how he traded all of our assets remaining for 2 guys who are done.

yea, bang up job by king

[DrazenForThree]

You guys are ridiculous for blaming King. He put together an amazing team.

Yes, this is an amazing team...that he assembled because he screwed up his other assets. This was a patch job team to clean up his prior mistakes. We are getting karma results while Portland, Boston, Atlanta are flourishing because he helped build those teams.

I agree Billy gets too many unnecessary hate filled posts because half of the time the people complaining loved the trade in the beginning but the reality is he screwed this team over by trading for Wallace, then following it up by a desperate trade for JJ which again, doesn't bother me but giving up assets for him like he was a prime Melo or T-Mac is the problem. Then, of course he put together an incomplete team that looked like a 2 round exit and then he pulled off this trade to get a 1-2 year window and now we actually look worse effort, identity and energy wise than last year.

Our best way to clean up Billy's mess is to trade away our rising star player in Lopez who is finally developing into a two way player.

Nothing about King should be praised right now. Nothing.

IS that a joke?

What assets? Draft picks? Devin Harris?

Before this season started everyone and their mother thought this would be an AMAZING TEAM.

And now you guys are blaming King for putting together a bad team? LOL

what assets?

3 lotto picks in the dwill trade(favors + 2 future picks)
2 picks + 1 pick swap in the JJ trade
1 lotto, potential top 3 pick in the wallace trade

whats worse, is that in 2 of those trade, he got players that werent a sure thing to even resign. dwill almost bolted and it took a giant overpay to keep wallace.

im not sure how you could possibly do worse unless you were actually trying to screw up a franchise.

[DrazenForThree]

It's pretty clear that this team has quit on Kidd. We really need a new coach in there, fast and let everyone get healthy.

I'll wait to start blaming people until we've played a game with a full squad.

they didnt quit on him... that would imply they were trying in the first place. this team didnt try from day 1. they clearly dont give a crap and view him as a puppet and a cohort more then a coach and leader. these guys are all paid a ton, WTF do they care at this point?

[DrazenForThree]

This team needs a PED buffet.

Honestly, if he doesn't get fired, King should be trying to send Pierce out of here with the quickness. Tell KG to retire, I don't give a ****. Get rid of these ass holes. For all of this nonsense we could have kept Wallace, Brooks, and Hump.

we should be able to get something for pierce as he is a really large expiring. maybe we can swap him for like boozer and move KG to backup center or something. move anderson/kirilenko to the starting 3.

anderson/boozer or ak/boozer is giving you max effort every second they are on the floor. if kg wants to bitch if pierce leaves then let that crybaby retire. he his been nothing but fugazy fake hustle from day 1. he hasnt brought 1 ounce of leadership to this team

[N Ireland Nets]

2 picks + 1 pick swap in the JJ trade

The JJ deal was our 1st round pick, a 2nd round pick & the rights to swap picks in 2014 & 2015 so it was a swap two years in a row that King gave up.

So to sum up with assets picks wise we have:

2014: our pick goes to ATL if we finish worse than ATL, then Boston gets ATL's pick

2015: ATL has the rights to swap with our 1st rounder

2016: Boston gets our pick unprotected

2017: Boston has right to swap 1st rounders

2018: Boston gets our pick unprotected

So it's not until 2019 that we own our own 1st pick, Kings an absolute joke of a GM

[bballcool34]

Paul deserves every single bit of the verbal lashing he is receiving for his horrible play during the last 2 weeks. Compared with the second half of last season, his overall FG% has dropped from 48.5% to 37% & his 3 point shooting has dropped from 42.5% to 27%. That is obviously a CATACLYSMIC drop-off. In addition, his defense has been inconsistent & his poor decisions/TOs have become ridiculously excessive. I am totally baffled. I am completely embarrassed. Unless he is hiding a significant injury, I have no explanation for you guys - and even if he is hiding an injury, it is no excuse whatsoever for the lack of effort I am seeing all too often & the frequent dumb passes he is making. Except for the Heat win & a couple of other games, I do not recognize this future HOFER & my favorite player of all time in any sport. Unlike KG (who really needs to retire), there is no doubt in my mind that Paul has plenty of game left. I just don't understand what the **** is going on. The drop off in his shooting is ASTRONOMICAL.

All makes sense now.

[DarkXaero]

Pierce hurt his hand in the Rockets game, so no, it doesn't all make sense now.

[exculpatory]

Pierce hurt his hand in the Rockets game, so no, it doesn't all make sense now.

It does if he first injured his hand on or about 11/18 (7 games ago). And the coup de grace occurred in Houston.

[BarryHorowitz]

I just wanted to pop in to say, don't give up on KG and Pierce yet. They still have some goods left in the tank. Terry is toast, but I still see the Nets (when healthy) to storm back and grab the 5th -6th seed.

[SF_Warriors]

You guys are ridiculous for blaming King. He put together an amazing team.

Kidd shares some of the blame. But at the end of the day, he is on the sideline wearing a suit and tie. He is not the one who is playing like crap out there. And lackluster effort. These are all VETERANS. They knowhow to play winning basketball.

Here are the people to blame:

Pierce- The supposed seasoned veteran. He makes stupid mistake after stupid mistake.

KG- The guy who was supposed to change the "culture" of our team, has done nothing in that regard. His offense has fallen off a cliff and his defense is mediocre. Should retire.

Deron- Can't even stay healthy anymore. And when he does, he plays like an average PG. Not a superstar. Never will be again.

Johnson- 22 million dollars a year. Honestly hes not that bad compared to the rest. But hes not a leader, plays with no passion, and does nothing to dominate or win us games.

All in all this team is a joke. KG and Pierce are DONE. D-Will and Johnson are wannabes. The bench is ok.

Only player I respect on this team is Lopez. But hes no Lebron either. He'd be an excellent piece to a winning team.

Why King is to balme:

Pierce, KG - I actually supported the trade because it is clearly a "win-now" move. However King hired a rookie headcoach for a team with a 1-2 year window?? I understand hiring a rookie coach with NO prior coaching experience for a young rebuilding team...

Deron - Traded good assets for a guy who was a PENDING free agent at the end of the season. Could've signed him outright and kept those pieces. No other squad was going tooffer him 20 mill per year anyways

JJ - Sure, trade away a first rounder and rights to swap picks for a guy another team wanted to DUMP. Shouldv'e demanded a first round pick to take that $hitty contract

Gwall, who was a PENDING free agent to be for a lotto pick..nuff said
Their payroll is 20 million more than the next highest team's payroll. Of course the team will look good on paper..

So next 5-6 years,they will have either no pick or a crappy one, next yr they have a 80million dollar payroll WITHOUT pierce, ..and the one after that they are paying three players (brook, JJ, deron) a combined total of about 60 million...

Basically, he did not set this uteam upfor success in the short term (kidd hiring, ridiculous contracts almost no one else will touch) or long term (trading away all those picks)
yea king is a great GM

[NyCeEvO]

I just wanted to pop in to say, don't give up on KG and Pierce yet. They still have some goods left in the tank. Terry is toast, but I still see the Nets (when healthy) to storm back and grab the 5th -6th seed.

I still believe that Pierce and Garnett will end up playing well. Right now, we're just waiting for them to catch up mentally and physically.

Pierce has had groin, foot, and now hand problems. On top of that, it appears that Pierce was complaining about his hand to the team doctors weeks ago but it took them until now to actually realize he had a fracture in his hand.

On a side note, the inability to identify Pierce's injury earlier makes me wonder how good the medical staff is.

[vincecarter4pres]

I just can't see this team playing well with Kidd at the helm TBH.

Make the playoffs? I'd be pretty surprised if we don't as long as Deron eventually gets back to at least a steady 80ish percent.

Take the 4 seed by default? If we make the playoffs, this is the likely case IMHO.

Make it to the second round? If we make it in as the 4 seed, I'd think so, I mean who is going to be the 5 seed? Washington? Atlanta? Toronto?

But after that?

I mean you never know, I have some faith, I'm a fan. I have some optimism, it really is still early in the season and we have been absolutely ravaged by injury. We probably are built more for the playoffs. But I find it hard to believe this team which was blown out by teams like Orlando and came back on by a struggling Washington has any upside to get past Indiana or Miami, especially without HCA.