Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

WeekapaugGroove · Post #601 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:41 pm

tviper wrote:Laker fan here. Wondering whether you see Pau as a possible fit for your roster. Easy swap for Okafor+Lakers 2015 1st. Not saying Lakers would do that, but it occurred to me that such a trade would save some tax money this year and allow you to try out Pau and make a legit playoff push. He still has amazing skills around the basket, leads the team in points and rebounds, and I bet a trade would light a fire, which seems to be somewhat missing this year. Haven't seen the Suns play this year yet, so thought I would come to this board to see what you guys think.

I actually doubt either team would do this deal. Lakers won't openly tank so will need to get something back that helps right away if they deal pau. Suns wouldn't because there's chance that pick could be a good one.

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bigfoot · Post #602 » by **bigfoot** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:43 pm

Scutt wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:You say you want to win, but would rather do it by playing guys who can't beat out their co-workers. So you want to win, but on your 'non'tanking, I'm developing youngsters' methods.

I am saying I do not understand why Green, Tucker, and Frye get so many minutes on a rebuilding Suns team, I think those minutes should be going to Archie, the Mori, and Plumlee. By your logic, why did our GM trade Gortat? He certainly is more capable of being a starting center than Plumlee and is the better player. Why didn't we keep him, if you always go with the best player? I am not going to argue with you Frank, you posted in another tread that the Suns should go after Deng or Paul Pierce in the offseason.

It seems many of you want the Suns just to make the playoffs as soon as possible, while I would like to see them rebuild the right way and become contenders again, not 7th and 8th seed fodder.

Plumlee is getting plenty of minutes; nearly 30 minutes per game for a second year player is fantastic. The Morri are getting over 20 minutes per game and Kief's minutes are nearly identical to Frye's at 26 per game. So you're really complaining about Tucker and Green getting Archie's minutes. You're saying two hardworking veterans, both shooting lights out from 3pt range, and both with physically superior bodies, should sit on the bench while an unproven, skinny, 19-year old plays. That just doesn't make sense. So when next season rolls around I can already hear this ... Plumlee is on the wrong side of 25 and Len at 21 should get all the minutes.

What is the definition of rebuilding the right way?? Prior 2004 when our last run at contention began the Suns were 7-8 seed fodder for a few years. One free agent signing with Nash and suddenly instant contenders. Never had a top 3 pick. So yes I want to see the Suns make the playoffs now. Players who get the taste of playoff experience want to make it to the next level. Lebron in his first years with the Cavs played on teams challenging for the 8th seed. It is rare to go from cellar dweller to championship contender without paying your dues. I'd much rather have Archie learn/see what it takes to make the playoffs than be on a losing team and playing big minutes.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #603 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:44 pm

With that being said. If sarver goes idiot mode and wants to win now that's actually a realistic type deal.

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Safety Pickle · Post #604 » by **Safety Pickle** » Sun Dec 1, 2013 12:10 am

tviper wrote:Laker fan here. Wondering whether you see Pau as a possible fit for your roster. Easy swap for Okafor+Lakers 2015 1st. Not saying Lakers would do that, but it occurred to me that such a trade would save some tax money this year and allow you to try out Pau and make a legit playoff push. He still has amazing skills around the basket, leads the team in points and rebounds, and I bet a trade would light a fire, which seems to be somewhat missing this year. Haven't seen the Suns play this year yet, so thought I would come to this board to see what you guys think.

Pau doesn't really fit with what we are going for right now - the full youth rebuild. I've always loved his game and thought the way he was treated as a scapegoat last season was pretty awful, but its just a bad fit right now.

asudevil · Post #605 » by **asudevil** » Sun Dec 1, 2013 4:53 am

The suns already own the Lakers 2015

Post #606 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Dec 1, 2013 5:29 am

asudevil wrote:The suns already own the Lakers 2015

They would be getting that pick back in this proposed trade.

DirtyDez · Post #607 » by **DirtyDez** » Sun Dec 1, 2013 8:44 am

With Kobe now eating their cap space the LA pick is our most valuable pick. Sarver did us a solid on that one.

asudevil · Post #608 » by **asudevil** » Sun Dec 1, 2013 7:55 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
asudevil wrote:The suns already own the Lakers 2015

They would be getting that pick back in this proposed trade.

oh.....well, the suns arent in a position to be taking back OLD players and giving up picks in the process. This is a young team that needs to build from the ground up. If we were talking about a 12-5 suns team with an established goal of a championship this season, then yes, i'd trade Okafor/Pick for Gasol. But this trade as it is does two things that arent in the suns best interest for the future. a.) they give up was is likely to be a high draft pick. b.) makes the team better NOW. Gasol could be gone in a year, and the suns could make it to the first round, leaving them without a lotto pick in the upcoming draft.

Post #609 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Dec 1, 2013 8:56 pm

asudevil wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
asudevil wrote:The suns already own the Lakers 2015

They would be getting that pick back in this proposed trade.

oh.....well, the suns arent in a position to be taking back OLD players and giving up picks in the process. This is a young team that needs to build from the ground up. If we were talking about a 12-5 suns team with an established goal of a championship this season, then yes, i'd trade Okafor/Pick for Gasol. But this trade as it is does two things that arent in the suns best interest for the future. a.) they give up was is likely to be a high draft pick. b.) makes the team better NOW. Gasol could be gone in a year, and the suns could make it to the first round, leaving them without a lotto pick in the upcoming draft.

I agree. I don't think any Suns fan wants any part of this proposed trade.

Post #610 » by **lilfishi22** » Sun Dec 1, 2013 10:02 pm

tviper wrote:Laker fan here. Wondering whether you see Pau as a possible fit for your roster. Easy swap for Okafor+Lakers 2015 1st. Not saying Lakers would do that, but it occurred to me that such a trade would save some tax money this year and allow you to try out Pau and make a legit playoff push. He still has amazing skills around the basket, leads the team in points and rebounds, and I bet a trade would light a fire, which seems to be somewhat missing this year. Haven't seen the Suns play this year yet, so thought I would come to this board to see what you guys think.

ehh no. He doesn't fit out system and it's basically an easy expiring deal for assets trade in favor of Lakers.

King4Day · Post #611 » by **King4Day** » Sun Dec 1, 2013 10:14 pm

tviper wrote:Laker fan here. Wondering whether you see Pau as a possible fit for your roster. Easy swap for Okafor+Lakers 2015 1st. Not saying Lakers would do that, but it occurred to me that such a trade would save some tax money this year and allow you to try out Pau and make a legit playoff push. He still has amazing skills around the basket, leads the team in points and rebounds, and I bet a trade would light a fire, which seems to be somewhat missing this year. Haven't seen the Suns play this year yet, so thought I would come to this board to see what you guys think.

Not a bad proposal (depending on what each team is aiming to do), but I don't think the Suns are ready to compete yet (as a vet Pau's age would mean) and with Kobe coming back, I doubt he'd be thrilled with LAL starting to tank.

GetYourPHX · Post #612 » by **GetYourPHX** » Sun Dec 1, 2013 10:20 pm

If Milwaukee decides to tank, I wouldn't mind the Suns trying to work a deal for Larry Sanders. An athletic, shot blocking big that can run the floor would work great with this team.

Sunsss · Post #613 » by **Sunsss** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 12:53 am

GetYourPHX wrote:If Milwaukee decides to tank, I wouldn't mind the Suns trying to work a deal for Larry Sanders. An athletic, shot blocking big that can run the floor would work great with this team.

Lets see what we have with Len first. Also keep in mind that he started this season terrible and injured himself in a bar fight.

Fo-Real · Post #614 » by **Fo-Real** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 5:50 am

Bar fight?

Sunsss · Post #615 » by **Sunsss** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 5:56 am

Fo-Real wrote:Bar fight?

Yep.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... six-weeks/

phrazbit · Post #616 » by **phrazbit** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 8:49 am

Sunsss wrote:
GetYourPHX wrote:If Milwaukee decides to tank, I wouldn't mind the Suns trying to work a deal for Larry Sanders. An athletic, shot blocking big that can run the floor would work great with this team.

Lets see what we have with Len first. Also keep in mind that he started this season terrible and injured himself in a bar fight.

I dont think our knowledge of Len will increase that much between now and the trade deadline.

I dont know that I'd advocate trading for Larry Sanders (because the price will be huge), but I wouldnt let waiting on Len factor into our evaluation of other possible acquisitions.

carey · Post #617 » by **carey** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 5:34 pm

DarkHawk wrote:Not a bad proposal (depending on what each team is aiming to do), but I don't think the Suns are ready to compete yet (as a vet Pau's age would mean) and with Kobe coming back, I doubt he'd be thrilled with LAL starting to tank.

It's not the idea of acquiring Pau that worries me, tho I have my doubts over how he'd fit with a team that runs as much as we do. It's that I don't want to part with that Lakers pick. Depending on what they manage to do in free agency that pick can be extremely valuable. Trade it for a 5 month Pau rental? I think not. There's no chance he resigns here next Summer either.

JDLAW · Post #618 » by **JDLAW** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 7:20 pm

It is perplexing that some want to make some of the trades mentioned here.

Larry Sanders? Really? Take a look at Miles Plumlee versus Larry Sanders. We already have a player that is equal to or better than Sanders. He is a better scorer, rebounds the same, about equal defensively. Both are little light (weight wise) for full time duty in the center position. Plumlee is just as athletic as Sanders and appears to have a much better head on his shoulders (character and smarts). Plumlee is also much less expensive ($1.5M versus $11M) next year. Both are the same age. Why do we need a virtual clone for about 8x the price? This is just silly. Len will be fine as the long term center - he just need some time to finish healing his foot.

Next, trading the Lakers 2015 first round pick and Okafor back to them for Pau Gasol? This is even more absurd than the Larry Sanders idea. Gasol does not fit at all. The Suns started this rebuild with the idea they were going to build with fast, young, and athletic players and they were going to play at a fast pace. They were not going to recycle the "old stars" who were on their last legs. Which of the two descriptions would you place a 33-year-old Gasol in? Here is a hint - he is not fast, he is not young, and he is not athletic. (At least Sanders meets that criteria even if he is an expensive duplication of Plumlee). Once you get past Pau's tears and whining about being traded from his beloved Lakers (see the failed Houston trade), try to conceive of a reason that the Suns would take on Gasol's ginormous ($19M + a 15% trade kicker) salary? I cannot. Basically we lose the possible savings on Okafor's contract if he does not play and we use up our cap remaining cap space. In other words, it likely costs the Suns at least an additional $9M and what might be a (6-14) lottery pick for Pau Gasol?

Trades for these players are the anthesis of what the Suns are trying to do in their rebuild. They likely would not be considered.

carey · Post #619 » by **carey** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 7:35 pm

Plumlee isn't in the same league as Sanders defensively. He was arguably the most valuable defensive player in the league last year. That's just a weird take.

JDLAW · Post #620 » by **JDLAW** » Mon Dec 2, 2013 7:59 pm

Having seen them both play (albeit only 15 games for Plumlee), I believe they are in the same league Sanders is probably better at this point, but I believe that Plumlee will continue to improve. Sanders has developed into a great weak side shot blocker, but he gets abused by bigger stronger centers in the post - he does not have the beef to bang in there. We'll see as time goes along and Plumlee gains more experience.

Offensively, Sanders remains a project at best and I do not see him getting much better. The point is he is pretty much a one-dimensional player at this point and we get the same out of Plumlee for a whole lot less $$.