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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#661 » by dobrojim » Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:18 pm

can't wait to see him on the court - the optimist in me thinks he has the potential
to be similar to Paul George with length and versatility being 2 of the similarities.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#662 » by doclinkin » Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:35 pm

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mhd wrote:If we resign Ariza, then what was the point of drafting Porter? It seems to me that the best type of SF to pair with Wall is a 3&D SF (exactly what Martell and Trevor are). I think EG just drafted BPA.

If Porter shows well, he may be trade bait in the future.

I think he drafted SPA - Safest player available. And Porter being local factored in. But with Webster showing he can play major minutes at the 2, perhaps Ariza helping at the 4, and the injury factor, there's just enough room for all 3 - while having the flexibility of being able to trade one of them.


I think they drafted for quickest to get minutes. Another failure of Ted allowing the GM to dangle in the final year of a contract. He could not afford to draft for the best talent if it meant he'd have to wait for a player to develop or heal. An irony to be sure given Otto's injuries, but still that was their stated reasons for why they were happy with him: he was NBA ready.

I disagree, I think he'll be a fine player but will need time to become acclimated and adjust, glue type players have to get some experience before their innate wisdom can make the difference. He's got length but his weaknesses (well, literally weakness due to lack of mass for height) will be exploitable. I do like his smarts and attitude though, he'll get better every year if he can stay healthy.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#663 » by GeeWiz » Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:36 am

dobrojim wrote:can't wait to see him on the court - the optimist in me thinks he has the potential
to be similar to Paul George with length and versatility being 2 of the similarities.


He'd have to get a lot stronger to become anything like George, and I don't think Otto has half the athleticism that George has.
I think Otto will be a nice starter in the league, like a Prince or Batum. I'd be more than happy with that, but a player like George... :o
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#664 » by mhd » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:29 am

dobrojim wrote:can't wait to see him on the court - the optimist in me thinks he has the potential
to be similar to Paul George with length and versatility being 2 of the similarities.



Porter isn't anywhere near the athlete George is.
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Post#665 » by mikepacernation » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:36 am

I don't know to much about the wizard but I have really wanted to see Porter play does anyone know when he's gonna play?
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Post#666 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:55 pm

mhd wrote:
dobrojim wrote:can't wait to see him on the court - the optimist in me thinks he has the potential
to be similar to Paul George with length and versatility being 2 of the similarities.



Porter isn't anywhere near the athlete George is.


How can you know? Paul George didn't participate in most of the combine drills. All he did was get weighed and measured and lift. And from looking at their bench numbers, Otto is stronger than George was when he came out. 9 reps versus 4.

Otto actually tested very well at the combine and is a much better athlete than people realize. His max vertical of 36 inches is a great number for a 6'9 SF, it's probably as good as George's would have been.

This is what Bullets Forever speculated about Paul George at the time:
I'd say his max vertical is probably slightly lower than Xavier Henry's (36.5-inches).


I'd actually recommend reading that whole draft article: http://www.bulletsforever.com/2010/6/17 ... ct-profile

The things they were saying about Paul George are identical to what everyone said about Porter.

I think the major difference between the two is that Otto had a better college career and is coming into the league with more offensive skills. That's a big part of the reason Paul George was projected as a late lottery pick and Porter was projected as an early lotto pick.
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Post#667 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:07 pm

Also Porter's lane agility number was 11.25, which is very good for a legit 6'9. He's legitimately quick. His 3.4 sprint isn't elite, but it's pretty good. He'll be able to run the floor well with a number like that.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#668 » by Wizardspride » Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:24 pm

mikepacernation wrote:I don't know to much about the wizard but I have really wanted to see Porter play does anyone know when he's gonna play?

I would say you'll see him within the next two weeks or so.

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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#669 » by mikepacernation » Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:12 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
mikepacernation wrote:I don't know to much about the wizard but I have really wanted to see Porter play does anyone know when he's gonna play?

I would say you'll see him within the next two weeks or so.


Good I've been really looking forward to him playing I think he was more of the underrated player coming out of this draft
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Post#670 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:35 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
mikepacernation wrote:I don't know to much about the wizard but I have really wanted to see Porter play does anyone know when he's gonna play?

I would say you'll see him within the next two weeks or so.


Yeah, next 2-3 weeks for sure. Bet the house on it.
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Post#671 » by mhd » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:37 pm

I don't think Porter has anywhere near the vertical nor explosiveness of George. I don't think he could do the George dunk in playoffs that George did. To me, he's seems to have the same level of athleticism as Ariza does.
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Post#672 » by Wizardspride » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:03 pm

mhd wrote:I don't think Porter has anywhere near the vertical nor explosiveness of George. I don't think he could do the George dunk in playoffs that George did. To me, he's seems to have the same level of athleticism as Ariza does.

Nothing wrong with that.

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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#673 » by pancakes3 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:06 pm

The only measurable of Porter's that worries me is his 24 inch waist (I think that's what was reported). A 24 inch waist is a women's size 0 dress size.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#674 » by FAH1223 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:52 pm

I'm getting excited about Otto because I KNOW he is better than Vesley, Singleton, Booker, and Seraphin.

And it's not hard to be better than them.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#675 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:07 pm

Dark Faze wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:Should this guy play as a shooting guard or Small Forward or something else?

What set him back in the summer league?


He's an SF, he should never play SG.

As for what set him back--the guy never played unstructured basketball to that extent before. Summer league is AAU style ball. He's never played AAU ball before and played under a really structured system at Georgetown. He's not the type of guy who's going to show up at Rucker park and start showing out. He didn't really have any idea what the hell was going on when scrubs started dominating the ball and taking terrible shots. It basically killed his rhythm.

It should be noticed that MCW was a disaster in summer league.



stevemcqueen1 wrote:Also Porter's lane agility number was 11.25, which is very good for a legit 6'9. He's legitimately quick. His 3.4 sprint isn't elite, but it's pretty good. He'll be able to run the floor well with a number like that.



I'm looking forward to Otto getting on the court. Seeing the success of MCW so quick has renewed my optimism on Porter contributing sooner rather than later. I think Ariza is a good comparable, although I think Porter's skillset is higher in terms of passing and mid-range game.

I'd be interested in his combine comparisons with Ariza as well as Prince.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#676 » by nuposse04 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:26 pm

There is a difference between combine numbers and in game numbers...You can train for the combine and inflate your numbers. I'm sure if Porter got a running start he could jump above average for an nba athlete...but I don't think he's an explosive in game dunker. He's got elite instincts defensively so he makes up for his lack of explosion because of that. I don't think Porter is a bad athlete...I just don't think he's in the realm of a hyper athlete like George.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#677 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Dec 1, 2013 2:09 am

nuposse04 wrote:There is a difference between combine numbers and in game numbers...You can train for the combine and inflate your numbers. I'm sure if Porter got a running start he could jump above average for an nba athlete...but I don't think he's an explosive in game dunker. He's got elite instincts defensively so he makes up for his lack of explosion because of that. I don't think Porter is a bad athlete...I just don't think he's in the realm of a hyper athlete like George.



I also wonder if the Georgetown princeton old school system didn't hold back the athleticism Porter does have to some degree. He was largely responsible for running the team in a point forward facilitator type role on that team. Not saying he's a freak athletically by any stretch, but if you see his high school footage he does look more athletic than he did at G'town, and did throw it down with regularity.

That's why it's going to be fun to see him finally get on the court, so we can all see what he can do on the pro level. Any scenario really is possible... from oh no he isn't an NBA player, to the glue guy type most expect, to being pleasantly surprised better than we all thought (similar to what MCW has done).
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Post#678 » by dlts20 » Sun Dec 1, 2013 2:29 am

Porter better be the ish because Im going to be sad as hell to see Ariza (most likely) or Webster go.
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Post#679 » by pancakes3 » Sun Dec 1, 2013 3:17 am

nuposse04 wrote:There is a difference between combine numbers and in game numbers...You can train for the combine and inflate your numbers. I'm sure if Porter got a running start he could jump above average for an nba athlete...but I don't think he's an explosive in game dunker. He's got elite instincts defensively so he makes up for his lack of explosion because of that. I don't think Porter is a bad athlete...I just don't think he's in the realm of a hyper athlete like George.


For one, I don't think George is a hyper athlete. For another, I think what you're trying to articulate is that the cognitive dissonance between Porter's numbers and the eye test is that though Otto might be able to be very athletic against air, it's another thing to maintain that athleticism when you're jumping into a solid person.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#680 » by Induveca » Sun Dec 1, 2013 4:11 am

I personally think Porter better impress everyone quickly, because 12-14 weeks sitting with a hip pointer is far more time than it took me to overcome a complete tendon rip/surgery (with screws)/and compete / return to lifting extremely heavy weights, swimming, playing golf and basketball at 35+ years old.

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