MVP discussion thread

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6 feet tall guy who's never gotten past the second round while leading his team... that guy?

Chris Paul may be having a better statistical season than Durant right now.

He certainly is not a better player, nor will he ever be.

Durant without Harden and Westbrook didn't fare any better.

[Antrim]

6 feet tall guy who's never gotten past the second round while leading his team... that guy?

Chris Paul may be having a better statistical season than Durant right now.

He certainly is not a better player, nor will he ever be.

Durant without Harden and Westbrook didn't fare any better.

Chris Paul has played 5 PO series, in which he played with the likes of:

2007-08: West, Stojakovic, Chandler (2nd round)
2008-09: West, Stojakovic, Chandler (1st round)
2010-11: Landry, Ariza, Okafor (1st round)
2011-12: Griffin, Mo Williams, Jordan, Young, Butler (2nd round)
2012-13: Griffin, Crawford, Jordan, Barnes, Butler, Billups (1st round)

He had a pretty bad supporting cast in 2010-11. The rest, it was either good or great. Never past 2nd round, not once.

Chris Paul's a great PG and one of the smartest players in the game. But his impact will never be on the same level as LeBron's or -a step below- Durant's.

[xMADEinDADEx]

Durant's playing horrible this year (for his standards). He doesn't deserve much consideration at this point, but he's a big name so people will wrongly put him up there.

That he's not playing up to his standards doesn't mean much if he's much better than anyone else but LeBron.

He is not. Right now Chris is clearly the best player after Lebron in the league.

I agree. Chris Paul is playing very well. I would've never thought that cp3 would surpass durant at 2.


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[kingkirk]

If the East and West continue to be so lopsided, at what point does strength of schedule become a real factor in the MVP race? 60 wins in the West this season means a lot more than 60 wins in the East at this pace. I can't remember SOS ever being brought up in the MVP race before, but what if East finishes the year with two teams over .500? I'm not saying that it should solely determine who wins and loses, but will it be a factor in? Should it?

Yeah, for me it would matter but i think it would be one of those stats that the majority would overlook or not consider.

The East is a damn joke right now.

The Heat & Pacers are really poised here to cruise into a ECF. We know these 2 teams are going to be there.

[Doctor MJ]

6 feet tall guy who's never gotten past the second round while leading his team... that guy?

Chris Paul may be having a better statistical season than Durant right now.

He certainly is not a better player, nor will he ever be.

Durant without Harden and Westbrook didn't fare any better.

Chris Paul has played 5 PO series, in which he played with the likes of:

2007-08: West, Stojakovic, Chandler (2nd round)
2008-09: West, Stojakovic, Chandler (1st round)
2010-11: Landry, Ariza, Okafor (1st round)
2011-12: Griffin, Mo Williams, Jordan, Young, Butler (2nd round)
2012-13: Griffin, Crawford, Jordan, Barnes, Butler, Billups (1st round)

He had a pretty bad supporting cast in 2010-11. The rest, it was either good or great. Never past 2nd round, not once.

Chris Paul's a great PG and one of the smartest players in the game. But his impact will never be on the same level as LeBron's or -a step below- Durant's.

I think most of us agree with you that Paul's peak impact is below that of Durant's peak impact (and LeBron's of course), it's just your logic sucks.

There's nothing about Paul's game that keeps him from being able to lead a team further than he has. He's certainly a superior player to Jason Kidd who got to the finals twice.

Meanwhile, there's clearly nothing about Durant that clinches he can get further in the playoffs regardless of supporting cast.

Finally, I will disagree with I suppose on the degree of difference between Paul and Durant. Durant wasn't on a glaringly higher peg than Paul before last season, and if Durant regresses much at all, the debate becomes legit again.

[Chalky White]

Durant without Harden and Westbrook didn't fare any better.

Chris Paul has played 5 PO series, in which he played with the likes of:

2007-08: West, Stojakovic, Chandler (2nd round)
2008-09: West, Stojakovic, Chandler (1st round)
2010-11: Landry, Ariza, Okafor (1st round)
2011-12: Griffin, Mo Williams, Jordan, Young, Butler (2nd round)
2012-13: Griffin, Crawford, Jordan, Barnes, Butler, Billups (1st round)

He had a pretty bad supporting cast in 2010-11. The rest, it was either good or great. Never past 2nd round, not once.

Chris Paul's a great PG and one of the smartest players in the game. But his impact will never be on the same level as LeBron's or -a step below- Durant's.

I think most of us agree with you that Paul's peak impact is below that of Durant's peak impact (and LeBron's of course), it's just your logic sucks.

There's nothing about Paul's game that keeps him from being able to lead a team further than he has. He's certainly a superior player to Jason Kidd who got to the finals twice.

Meanwhile, there's clearly nothing about Durant that clinches he can get further in the playoffs regardless of supporting cast.

Finally, I will disagree with I suppose on the degree of difference between Paul and Durant. Durant wasn't on a glaringly higher peg than Paul before last season, and if Durant regresses much at all, the debate becomes legit again.

Durant was on a glaringly higher peg than Paul last season though. From the start of 11-12 playoffs through the 12-13 season, he was on a level only Shaq, LeBron, and Duncan have played to over the last decade and change.

And considering their respective resumes, Id definitely side with a Durant lead roster over a Paul lead roster in the playoffs, all things equal. Not only has KD been brilliant in the post season, historically so in 11-12, but Paul has continuously disappointed despite being surrounded with talent adequate enough to have success.

With the strides Durant has made defensively, as well as an on ball facilitator/passer, I don't foresee this being much of a debate going forward. He's just too good of an all around player at this point.

[Doctor MJ]

I think most of us agree with you that Paul's peak impact is below that of Durant's peak impact (and LeBron's of course), it's just your logic sucks.

There's nothing about Paul's game that keeps him from being able to lead a team further than he has. He's certainly a superior player to Jason Kidd who got to the finals twice.

Meanwhile, there's clearly nothing about Durant that clinches he can get further in the playoffs regardless of supporting cast.

Finally, I will disagree with I suppose on the degree of difference between Paul and Durant. Durant wasn't on a glaringly higher peg than Paul before last season, and if Durant regresses much at all, the debate becomes legit again.

Durant was on a glaringly higher peg than Paul last season though. From the start of 11-12 playoffs through the 12-13 season, he was on a level only Shaq, LeBron, and Duncan have played to over the last decade and change.

And considering their respective resumes, Id definitely side with a Durant lead roster over a Paul lead roster in the playoffs, all things equal. Not only has KD been brilliant in the post season, historically so in 11-12, but Paul has continuously disappointed despite being surrounded with talent adequate enough to have success.

With the strides Durant has made defensively, as well as an on ball facilitator/passer, I don't foresee this being much of a debate going forward. He's just too good of an all around player at this point.

Hmm. Okay, so the first half or so of your post, it doesn't sound like you're disagreeing with me at all. Moving past that:

Re: "Paul has continuously disappointed despite being surrounded with talent adequate enough to have success." No he hasn't. I don't get where this idea is coming from. We've seen him hampered by injuries a good amount, but we've also seen him be incredible. And yeah he's had some good casts, but he's also gone up against some good opponents. There is no clear trend of Paul led teams simply not working in the post-season.

Re: Yo don't foresee the debate going forward. What I said is that if he regresses, it will be a debate, and you're saying is he won't regress. Presuming it's reasonable to bet on your precognition, we don't disagree.

Durant doesn't look as strong out of the gate this year though as he did last year.

[ShowTimeERA]

Thus far

Durant
Paul
George/Lebron

Lebron would be number 1 but the heat have had one of the easiest schedules to date and he's playing a lot of minutes while beating up inferior teams..

[MisterWestside]

Thus far

Durant
Paul
George/Lebron

Lebron would be number 1 but the heat have had one of the easiest schedules to date and he's playing a lot of minutes while beating up inferior teams..

Beating up the inferior teams still counts as dominance.

[theGreatRC]

I know K Love isnt in the race far down in the race, But the wolves have had IND, HOU, DEN, DAL and then OKC, MIA, SAS ...thats gotta the toughest schedule in the league.

[TheExpert91]

My girlfriend says Paul George.

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[parapooper]

My girlfriend says Paul George.

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Ok then, I guess we are done here.

[TheExpert91]

My girlfriend says Paul George.

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Ok then, I guess we are done here.

I guess so too.

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[Colbinii]

Thus far

Durant
Paul
George/Lebron

Lebron would be number 1 but the heat have had one of the easiest schedules to date and he's playing a lot of minutes while beating up inferior teams..

Lebron isn't playing a lot of minutes. He is playing the fewest minutes he ever has and he is putting up the best per 36 numbers since he got to Miami.

[Hans Embiid]

Thus far

Durant
Paul
George/Lebron

Lebron would be number 1 but the heat have had one of the easiest schedules to date and he's playing a lot of minutes while beating up inferior teams..

trolling?

Durant is 4th at best.

[Chalky White]

Thus far

Durant
Paul
George/Lebron

Lebron would be number 1 but the heat have had one of the easiest schedules to date and he's playing a lot of minutes while beating up inferior teams..

Lebron isn't playing a lot of minutes. He is playing the fewest minutes he ever has and he is putting up the best per 36 numbers since he got to Miami.

He should be. The East is historically weak right now.

[ShowTimeERA]

Thus far

Durant
Paul
George/Lebron

Lebron would be number 1 but the heat have had one of the easiest schedules to date and he's playing a lot of minutes while beating up inferior teams..

Lebron isn't playing a lot of minutes. He is playing the fewest minutes he ever has and he is putting up the best per 36 numbers since he got to Miami.

The Heat average point differential in their wins is rather large while Lebron is still playing in blowout situations...

[Hero]

Paul George has closed the gap significantly on KD for the 2nd best SF in the game. Very impressed with him so far this season.

Currently I have it

LeBron
Paul George
Chris Paul
Durant

[boateng]

i dont understand why everybody is having lebron first

the heat are stacked with the best bench in the league, plus the east is weak as hell

i know the same applies for paul geroge but the pacers have the best record and they have made a rapid jump from where they were last season.

[MaliBrah]

how does the east being weak as hell , easy schedule , and a stacked team affect lebron but not george? lol