Pistons won't trade Stuckey

[E-Z]

ideal yes, an ideal PG would be MCW size, but most arent. Dwayne Wade dominated for the past decade & hes 6'4.

Stuckey is certainly not undersized though.

You're entitled to your opinion. I've already noted what exceptions are fine for short guards. Athleticism. Stuckey is somewhat below average in that regard.

Name the top 5 SG in the league and you'll see how unideal your ideal is.

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There are always exceptions, and generally they're superstars. Stuckey doesn't have Harden's shooting, or IQ. Even then, Harden can be a defensive liability. Stuckey also doesn't have Wade's athleticism or IQ. Anyone else?

[Q00]

If they aren't going to trade him, they might want to think about at least starting him. I know its poor finishes and not poor starts that are doing them in, but starting your best player just kind of makes sense. Plus, maybe its lack of chemistry among that 5-some at the end of games that is preventing them from closing teams out. If they started together they could develop a more cohesive unit, and maybe they would play better at the end when things get tight.

Right now it seems like when Stuckey comes in, its the all-Stuckey show, which has been working in the middle of games, but then when he comes in at the end, they kind of put the whole rhythm of the team offense of the starters out of sorts by continuing that. Like the starters don't know how to play with him.

That said, I think a lot of Stuckey's individual success has been because he's been able to just play an iso-heavy game. So he probably wouldn't be the same player if we forced him back to a team-oriented system. But now that he's already established himself as a legit scoring threat, maybe just having him in that starting lineup as a decoy could work to the teams advantage. I would try starting him at this point.

[E-Z]

If they aren't going to trade him, they might want to think about at least starting him. I know its poor finishes and not poor starts that are doing them in, but starting your best player just kind of makes sense. Plus, maybe its lack of chemistry among that 5-some at the end of games that is preventing them from closing teams out. If they started together they could develop a more cohesive unit, and maybe they would play better at the end when things get tight.

Right now it seems like when Stuckey comes in, its the all-Stuckey show, which has been working in the middle of games, but then when he comes in at the end, they kind of put the whole rhythm of the team offense of the starters out of sorts by continuing that. Like the starters don't know how to play with him.

That said, I think a lot of Stuckey's individual success has been because he's been able to just play an iso-heavy game. So he probably wouldn't be the same player if we forced him back to a team-oriented system. But now that he's already established himself as a legit scoring threat, maybe just having him in that starting lineup as a decoy could work to the teams advantage. I would try starting him at this point.

There's more variation to Stuckey's game this season than any other. Fewer P&R's and isos, and more points in the post and spot up shots in the corner. He's also attacking the middle of the paint more-so than the baseline and I believe that makes a huge difference in terms of overall performance. He's just taking smarter, more efficient shots. He could definitely fit in the starting lineup. The way he plays the game now is much more difficult to defend.

[Q00]

If they aren't going to trade him, they might want to think about at least starting him. I know its poor finishes and not poor starts that are doing them in, but starting your best player just kind of makes sense. Plus, maybe its lack of chemistry among that 5-some at the end of games that is preventing them from closing teams out. If they started together they could develop a more cohesive unit, and maybe they would play better at the end when things get tight.

Right now it seems like when Stuckey comes in, its the all-Stuckey show, which has been working in the middle of games, but then when he comes in at the end, they kind of put the whole rhythm of the team offense of the starters out of sorts by continuing that. Like the starters don't know how to play with him.

That said, I think a lot of Stuckey's individual success has been because he's been able to just play an iso-heavy game. So he probably wouldn't be the same player if we forced him back to a team-oriented system. But now that he's already established himself as a legit scoring threat, maybe just having him in that starting lineup as a decoy could work to the teams advantage. I would try starting him at this point.

There's more variation to Stuckey's game this season than any other. Fewer P&R's and isos, and more points in the post and spot up shots in the corner. He's also attacking the middle of the paint more-so than the baseline and I believe that makes a huge difference in terms of overall performance. He's just taking smarter, more efficient shots. He could definitely fit in the starting lineup. The way he plays the game now is much more difficult to defend.

All true, but those things have always been a part of his game before. I think the reason he is succeeding at them with consistency now is because he's able to just play a care-free game and can stay in a constant rhythm knowing he's getting all of the shots. He knows he's the only real option on the 2nd unit and can just play streetball basically. In the starting lineup though, he will have a more complex system and more responsibility, as far as having to defer more which will likely mess up his rhythm. But its at least worth trying at 6-10. While they haven't had problems getting off to good starts recently, maybe if they had Stuckey's scoring from the start they could be putting teams away earlier and not have to get to a close game late.

[DetroitSho]

You're entitled to your opinion. I've already noted what exceptions are fine for short guards. Athleticism. Stuckey is somewhat below average in that regard.

Name the top 5 SG in the league and you'll see how unideal your ideal is.

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There are always exceptions, and generally they're superstars. Stuckey doesn't have Harden's shooting, or IQ. Even then, Harden can be a defensive liability. Stuckey also doesn't have Wade's athleticism or IQ. Anyone else?

This has absolutely nothing to do with Stuckey having the SIZE to guard his position. What are you even talking about?

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[E-Z]

Name the top 5 SG in the league and you'll see how unideal your ideal is.

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There are always exceptions, and generally they're superstars. Stuckey doesn't have Harden's shooting, or IQ. Even then, Harden can be a defensive liability. Stuckey also doesn't have Wade's athleticism or IQ. Anyone else?

This has absolutely nothing to do with Stuckey having the SIZE to guard his position. What are you even talking about?

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Defensively, Rodney Stuckey is undersized with average athleticism and lacks anything to compensate for it, unlike other undersized SG's (Wade, Harden etc.). Also, some players have ridiculously long wingspans regardless of height. Stuckey doesn't have a lot of physical tools to stand out on that side of the court.

[sc8581]

There are always exceptions, and generally they're superstars. Stuckey doesn't have Harden's shooting, or IQ. Even then, Harden can be a defensive liability. Stuckey also doesn't have Wade's athleticism or IQ. Anyone else?

This has absolutely nothing to do with Stuckey having the SIZE to guard his position. What are you even talking about?

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Defensively, Rodney Stuckey is undersized with average athleticism and lacks anything to compensate for it, unlike other undersized SG's (Wade, Harden etc.). Also, some players have ridiculously long wingspans regardless of height. Stuckey doesn't have a lot of physical tools to stand out on that side of the court.

I get what you're saying but he does have exceptional strength and versatility, he may never be a great defensive player but he's no slouch by any means.

[DetroitPistons]

I think we should hold onto Stuckey at least until the trade deadline if he keeps this up so he can continue to build his value. At the beginning of the year he was pretty much just an expiring but he can end up being a much more valuable trade chip at the trade deadline.

[tradez401]

so where not gonna trade him while hes hot smh watch the pistons give him an extension and we'll continue wasting money n be a mediocre team.

[Blkbrd671]

i promise you if the right deal comes along Stuckey will be traded, this is all about posturing. If you make a player available in a trade his value is some what dimished. Joe is just telling other teams, if you want him, you better bring a good offer. Rudy gay is not a good offer

[ImHeisenberg]

He's arguably been the best player on the team, easily the best perimeter player by a wide margin.

I understand why Joe won't trade him. He wants to win now (ha!), so he won't offload a guy who's obviously stepping it up to get his last large contract, for future assets.

[sc8581]

He's arguably been the best player on the team, easily the best perimeter player by a wide margin.

I understand why Joe won't trade him. He wants to win now (ha!), so he won't offload a guy who's obviously stepping it up to get his last large contract, for future assets.

Just curious, would you be willing to give him the same contract he got a few years ago if he plays similar to this for the remainder of the season, something like 3-years $24-25 million?

[ImHeisenberg]

He's arguably been the best player on the team, easily the best perimeter player by a wide margin.

I understand why Joe won't trade him. He wants to win now (ha!), so he won't offload a guy who's obviously stepping it up to get his last large contract, for future assets.

Just curious, would you be willing to give him the same contract he got a few years ago if he plays similar to this for the remainder of the season, something like 3-years $24-25 million?

Absolutely not. Even if his play stays consistent throughout the entire season, I wouldn't call it more than an aberration and a guy looking for his last big pay day.

I wouldn't give Stuckey a dime over 5 million over 3 years, even then that may be a terrible contract the first year in.

[ARoS]

It's funny with contract years. I'd like to see a full psycholigcal study done. I don't think it's all to do with wanting more money the next year. I think when a player is in the middle of a contract he feels caged by it, subconciously burdoned. They are forced to be in one place, against the male human desire for freedom of choice. Then in the final year there is a light at the end of the tunnel, freedom. They are more relaxed and their play relects it.

[DCintheD]

We need to turn Stuckey into Afflalo asap

[Balrog]

6'6 and up is ideal for a SG imo. There are exceptions, but generally they're elite athletes with great wingspan.

ideal yes, an ideal PG would be MCW size, but most arent. Dwayne Wade dominated for the past decade & hes 6'4.

Stuckey is certainly not undersized though.

You're entitled to your opinion. I've already noted what exceptions are fine for short guards. Athleticism. Stuckey is somewhat below average in that regard.

Stuckey has above average athleticsm. He might not wow you with athletic dunks on a daily basis, but he has the ability to take contact and still finish plays in a consistent basis. Hes Wade-lite in that regard.

[rmfc]

We need to turn Stuckey into Afflalo asap

[Billl]

"Stuckey has above average athleticsm."

Stuckey has great strength. His defensive quickness is good, but not great. His length is mediocre. His hustle is solid, but his defensive IQ is suspect. Overall, you can put him on just about any 2 guard and it won't be an obvious mismatch. He's not a stopper, but if his head is in the game, he can make guys work for their shots.