Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[nate33]

How about a simple Ariza for Stuckey swap? The Pistons could use a real small forward, and we could use a backup 1/2. That would mean no more Maynor getting minutes.

I'm not comfortable trading Ariza until Porter has played for a while and has proven that he doesn't suck.

And if Porter does come back and play for us, then I'm still worried about getting a fair return whenever we trade Ariza. The thing is, Ariza is a damn near perfect fit on this roster. As a 3&D floor stretcher and ball hawk, he helps our half court offense and helps to start fast breaks for us. He's also pretty versatile, being able to fill in at SG and PF in a pinch. That helps us shuffle the lineup with relative ease to make up for injuries at other positions. Since Ariza is such a good fit, even if we trade him for equal talent, we might suffer because the new guy won't blend in so well.

Stuckey might be a roughly equivalent player to Ariza talentwise, but I don't like the fit. Stuckey is a ball dominant player who can't shoot, which makes him lousy alongside Wall, which makes him only a 14 mpg backup.

[mhd]

Honestly, unless we are getting future picks, I don't want to trade Ariza. We won't get a better player than him if we trade him. I'd rather resign him and trade Porter honestly.

[relinquishy]

I'm not really too sure why everyone is so willing to trade away Ariza. The guy is having his best year EVER and he plays great with Wall. He's averaging 15.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg and 2.1 spg on 45% shooting with 40% from three. He has a PER of 16, and plays fantastic defense. He is the type of guy that you can have guard Melo, Kobe, Lebron, KD etc. and actually do decently. I mean let's be realistic guys...do you really think Otto will have this kind of production in his rookie season coming off an injury? I would be open to resigning Ariza after this season to say a 2 year deal if his asking price isn't too huge if he's putting up this kind of production.

[TGW]

It doesn't matter what Porter does this year. If you spent a 3rd overall pick on a player, you open up opportunities for him, period. That means Webster or Ariza need to be moved, and since Webster is already locked in, the obvious choice is Ariza, who's in his final year and is playing for a new contract.

The smart move is to get something good for him before the deadline, or risk losing him for nothing in free agency, which is the most likely scenario if you don't move him.

[GeeWiz]

It doesn't matter what Porter does this year. If you spent a 3rd overall pick on a player, you open up opportunities for him, period. That means Webster or Ariza need to be moved, and since Webster is already locked in, the obvious choice is Ariza, who's in his final year and is playing for a new contract.

The smart move is to get something good for him before the deadline, or risk losing him for nothing in free agency, which is the most likely scenario if you don't move him.

Moving him at the deadline would be ideal, but even letting him go for cap relief wouldn't be horrible.


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[LyricalRico]

The thing is, Ariza is a damn near perfect fit on this roster. As a 3&D floor stretcher and ball hawk, he helps our half court offense and helps to start fast breaks for us. He's also pretty versatile, being able to fill in at SG and PF in a pinch. That helps us shuffle the lineup with relative ease to make up for injuries at other positions. Since Ariza is such a good fit, even if we trade him for equal talent, we might suffer because the new guy won't blend in so well.

But if he's not in the team's longterm plans (which seems to be the case based on the Porter pick) then getting something for him at the deadline could be better than letting him walk for nothing over the summer.

[nate33]

The thing is, Ariza is a damn near perfect fit on this roster. As a 3&D floor stretcher and ball hawk, he helps our half court offense and helps to start fast breaks for us. He's also pretty versatile, being able to fill in at SG and PF in a pinch. That helps us shuffle the lineup with relative ease to make up for injuries at other positions. Since Ariza is such a good fit, even if we trade him for equal talent, we might suffer because the new guy won't blend in so well.

But if he's not in the team's longterm plans (which seems to be the case based on the Porter pick) then getting something for him at the deadline could be better than letting him walk for nothing over the summer.

We still have the full MLE even if we resign Gortat and let Ariza walk. So if we trade Ariza, we need to get back a player better than what we can obtain with the full MLE. And when shopping in the free agency market, we are more likely to find a guy who is better fit than somebody like Stuckey.

[jivelikenice]

I'm in no rush to trade Ariza anymore. If the goal is simply to solidify the bench we should be able to make something happen using either Seraphin, Booker, or Singleton. We may have to do something similar to what Boston did when they acquired Crawford and take on a second year, but at 2-3 million I'm ok with that.

[payitforward]

Everything sucks.

Awww, come on! The turkey was good, no?

And, we're a much better team than once upon a time -- especially if we can play all our starters 40 minutes a night!!

(p.s. I know you are kidding....)

[popper]

Trading Ariza before the deadline makes sense, but only if:

Porter is showing promise during real NBA games and,

we get back a very solid player at the point or combo guard position or PF/Center position.

Otherwise, I'd rather keep him for a playoff run (assuming we make it).

[payitforward]

How about a simple Ariza for Stuckey swap? The Pistons could use a real small forward, and we could use a backup 1/2. That would mean no more Maynor getting minutes.

I'm not comfortable trading Ariza until Porter has played for a while and has proven that he doesn't suck.

And if Porter does come back and play for us, then I'm still worried about getting a fair return whenever we trade Ariza. The thing is, Ariza is a damn near perfect fit on this roster. As a 3&D floor stretcher and ball hawk, he helps our half court offense and helps to start fast breaks for us. He's also pretty versatile, being able to fill in at SG and PF in a pinch. That helps us shuffle the lineup with relative ease to make up for injuries at other positions. Since Ariza is such a good fit, even if we trade him for equal talent, we might suffer because the new guy won't blend in so well.

Stuckey might be a roughly equivalent player to Ariza talentwise, but I don't like the fit. Stuckey is a ball dominant player who can't shoot, which makes him lousy alongside Wall, which makes him only a 14 mpg backup.

Not even close.... That would be a pretty awful trade.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

I'd have to agree with MHD in that I just don't see the reason behind all the love for Monroe. I took a quick glance at his stats over the last few years, he's been solid but nothing mind-mind blowing.

The Good
1. Scoring- relatively efficient scorer from the field, nothing mind-blowing, but considering his PG situation since he's been in the league you would have to think that would improve with the likes of Wall. Also from what I know he has a solid jumper and some post moves
2. Health- he's only missed at my count three games in four seasons
3. Passing- averaged 3.5 apg last season, but so far this season its down significantly to 1.9 (could be just a small sample size or because of a more ball-dominant Jennings)
4. Rebounding- top 15 defensive and offensive rebounder
5. Age- 23 years old still could improve significantly
6. Size- solid 6'11"

Honorable Statistical Mention: He's averaged consistently around a 1.3 steals for his career

The Bad
1. Defense- from everything I've heard and read he's a below average to poor defender. What's his vertical, wing-spand, standing reach?
2. Turnovers- seems to have a relatively high TO rate league wide, especially a big man
3. Free throws- career 68% shooter and at this point is trending downwards

Un-honorable Statistical Mention: Career average of 0.6 bpg

While my analysis may seem like an endorsement, it's not intended to be. Yes his health, age, and solid scoring and rebounding numbers are things that I really do like. On the other hand, I think two of his assets are overstated: first his passing when considering his turnovers and second his size which is greatly diminished by the fact that he's a poor defender. As I'm old school, my enthusiasm greatly falls for a any player if their a poor defender, especially a big. I want the future of our team to be defense first in nature with an offense that displays good ball movement and efficiency. Based-off the first expectation, Monroe does not fit the build for a max deal.

[payitforward]

The thing is, Ariza is a damn near perfect fit on this roster. As a 3&D floor stretcher and ball hawk, he helps our half court offense and helps to start fast breaks for us. He's also pretty versatile, being able to fill in at SG and PF in a pinch. That helps us shuffle the lineup with relative ease to make up for injuries at other positions. Since Ariza is such a good fit, even if we trade him for equal talent, we might suffer because the new guy won't blend in so well.

But if he's not in the team's longterm plans (which seems to be the case based on the Porter pick) then getting something for him at the deadline could be better than letting him walk for nothing over the summer.

I don't think our pick of Porter means Ariza's not in our plans, not at all.

If we did renounce him, that wouldn't be letting him walk for nothing, it'd be letting him walk for the cap room to pay someone else. Trading him for "something" isn't a plus unless that "something" is better than Ariza -- and the only thing better for us would be more picks and outstanding young prospects.

You think Ernie is going to make that kind of trade?

[Rafael122]

The thing is, Ariza is a damn near perfect fit on this roster. As a 3&D floor stretcher and ball hawk, he helps our half court offense and helps to start fast breaks for us. He's also pretty versatile, being able to fill in at SG and PF in a pinch. That helps us shuffle the lineup with relative ease to make up for injuries at other positions. Since Ariza is such a good fit, even if we trade him for equal talent, we might suffer because the new guy won't blend in so well.

But if he's not in the team's longterm plans (which seems to be the case based on the Porter pick) then getting something for him at the deadline could be better than letting him walk for nothing over the summer.

Unless the team is overwhelmed with the offer, I keep Ariza on board and just roll with it. Assuming full health, you can go with a bench of Maynor/Webster/Porter/Harrington/Vesely, enough scoring and enough defense that the level of play doesn't decrease dramatically.

I think at this point Singleton and Booker are the guys most likely to be traded. I would have put Vesely in there, but it seems as though he's carved a spot in the rotation. At this point if you package one of those guys for a second round pick, then I'd go for it.

It's Ernie's fault that we're in this predicament, but I hope he has the foresight to make another move. Wizards have a legit chance at a good seeding in a weak Eastern Conference, the roster just needs to be tweaked where we can get another scoring guard w/out giving up any of our top 7-8 players.

[theboomking]

II was looking for potential trade partners for Nene, and it isn't easy to find one. The two teams I could see making the move, to try and get over the hump to win a championship, would be OKC and Houston. If we sign Monroe in the offseason, I think a Monroe/Gortat combo is preferable to Nene/Monroe, for age and health reasons. If we couldn't keep Gortat for salary reasons, what would you guys think about trading Nene to Houston for Asik? Asik obviously isn't the offensive player that Nene is, but he is younger, healthier, and a better defensive anchor.

[nate33]

II was looking for potential trade partners for Nene, and it isn't easy to find one. The two teams I could see making the move, to try and get over the hump to win a championship, would be OKC and Houston. If we sign Monroe in the offseason, I think a Monroe/Gortat combo is preferable to Nene/Monroe, for age and health reasons. If we couldn't keep Gortat for salary reasons, what would you guys think about trading Nene to Houston for Asik? Asik obviously isn't the offensive player that Nene is, but he is younger, healthier, and a better defensive anchor.

I'm pretty sure everyone would jump for joy if we made that move.

It's nothing against Nene. He's a good player. It's just that he is on the wrong side of 30 and won't be around when the team is legitimately able to compete. Asik could anchor the defense for the next 6 years or so. The beauty is that with Asik's low cap number next year (rather than Nene's), we would have even more flexibility in free agency.

[Rafael122]

Houston's asking for two first round picks for Asik.

[theboomking]

Houston's asking for two first round picks for Asik.

But they aren't going to get that and Asik hasn't been getting enough minutes to warrant holding him. We probably wouldn't even consider the move, as we are in 'make the playoffs now' mode. I still think it makes sense for Houston. You never know how long a championship window is.

[nate33]

Houston's asking for two first round picks for Asik.

But they aren't going to get that and Asik hasn't been getting enough minutes to warrant holding him. We probably wouldn't even consider the move, as we are in 'make the playoffs now' mode. I still think it makes sense for Houston. You never know how long a championship window is.

I think Houston can do better.

The most plausible Nene trade would be to send him for OKC for Perkins plus incentive. The question is, what is fair incentive? I'd do it in a heartbeat if we got Adams, but they're probably thinking "future heavily protected 1st"

[theboomking]

Houston's asking for two first round picks for Asik.

But they aren't going to get that and Asik hasn't been getting enough minutes to warrant holding him. We probably wouldn't even consider the move, as we are in 'make the playoffs now' mode. I still think it makes sense for Houston. You never know how long a championship window is.

I think Houston can do better.

The most plausible Nene trade would be to send him for OKC for Perkins plus incentive. The question is, what is fair incentive? I'd do it in a heartbeat if we got Adams, but they're probably thinking "future heavily protected 1st"

I would probably do it for Adams or Lamb. I doubt they would give up either, but would probably be even less likely to give up Lamb.