Who is Better Power Forward, Smith or Monroe?

[ImHeisenberg]

Monroe isn't a power forward, he's a center. He's a top 10 center, but isn't a natural fit at power forward.

There-in lies the dilemma with this Pistons squad. Monroe and Smith are playing out of position, which hurts the effectiveness of those two players. Smith is a natural power forward, and currently offers a more diverse game than Moose does at either position PF or C. But, Smith is also older than Moose.

The reality is that Dumars should at least be researching deals to move Monroe for an above average small forward with a good 3-point stroke and a pick right now. I love Monroe when he explodes for big games, but he's the odd man out and likely not worth a max contract on this team with Andre Drummond the incumbent a the center position.

[Sheedpocalypse]

Monroe isn't a power forward, he's a center. He's a top 10 center, but isn't a natural fit at power forward.

There-in lies the dilemma with this Pistons squad. Monroe and Smith are playing out of position, which hurts the effectiveness of those two players. Smith is a natural power forward, and currently offers a more diverse game than Moose does at either position PF or C. But, Smith is also older than Moose.

The reality is that Dumars should at least be researching deals to move Monroe for an above average small forward with a good 3-point stroke and a pick right now. I love Monroe when he explodes for big games, but he's the odd man out and likely not worth a max contract on this team with Andre Drummond the incumbent a the center position.

This. Thing is, will we get somewhere near similar value for him?

[DetroitDon15]

I'd like to see Monroe move to the bench and work with the second unit. I think the Pistons would have a better start to the game. Slide Singler to the SL with the main bench players being Monroe, Bynum, Stuckey, and Jerebko/Datome. I think the Pistons could get Monroe 30 minutes a night with the offense running through him on the floor. Smith and Drummond would get 33 each, Maybe roll the big line-up if foul trouble. I think this team would be alot better in my opinon. Stuckey and Monroe off the bench would be the best second unit in the league.

So you're going to pay Monroe near the max and bring him off the bench? That's just not realistic in the long haul. I'm not against paying a guy that much money to play 30+mpg off the bench if he's a big time impact player but Moose is not that guy, if he took a 4-year $36 million deal to be our 3rd big then sure but we both know that isn't going to happen. I think Dumars, Cheeks and Monroe are starting to realize what has to be done so I expect a deal by xmas so they have time to evaluate what if any other moves may have to be made before the deadline.

By the way, with Bynum on that 2nd unit with those guys they would not be effective at all, not a good fit.

I'd rather trade Monroe in all honesty. I don't like the make up of this roster right now.

[ImHeisenberg]

This. Thing is, will we get somewhere near similar value for him?

Possibly. Monroe is young enough that a team isn't buying his last couple solid years, but a decade's worth of production. If they believe he's a max level player, all the better.

So, a team who isn't on the verge of contending would be interested, a team who wants to win-now would be interested. He's really a good fit for a team in any state of transition, as long as they want him long term.

Can Dumars find the right pieces to get in return? Who knows? A betting man would likely wager that Dumars doesn't even look to trade him though. He gets overly attached to players.

[Q00]

I'd like to see Monroe move to the bench and work with the second unit. I think the Pistons would have a better start to the game. Slide Singler to the SL with the main bench players being Monroe, Bynum, Stuckey, and Jerebko/Datome. I think the Pistons could get Monroe 30 minutes a night with the offense running through him on the floor. Smith and Drummond would get 33 each, Maybe roll the big line-up if foul trouble. I think this team would be alot better in my opinon. Stuckey and Monroe off the bench would be the best second unit in the league.

Yes, I love this idea. It should start tomorrow too, given that Miami starts Bosh/Lebron/Battier. There's no way Monroe can guard Battier on the perimeter if he couldn't guard Thad Young yesterday. Singler is a much better matchup for us at that position.

Stopping Miami's 3's will be more important than anything Monroe gives us inside on offense. Against Bosh/James, we should be able to score plenty in the paint with just Drummond and Smith.

Monroe off the bench makes so much sense right now until we can trade him.

[DetroitDon15]

I'd like to see Monroe move to the bench and work with the second unit. I think the Pistons would have a better start to the game. Slide Singler to the SL with the main bench players being Monroe, Bynum, Stuckey, and Jerebko/Datome. I think the Pistons could get Monroe 30 minutes a night with the offense running through him on the floor. Smith and Drummond would get 33 each, Maybe roll the big line-up if foul trouble. I think this team would be alot better in my opinon. Stuckey and Monroe off the bench would be the best second unit in the league.

Yes, I love this idea. It should start tomorrow too, given that Miami starts Bosh/Lebron/Battier. There's no way Monroe can guard Battier on the perimeter if he couldn't guard Thad Young yesterday. Singler is a much better matchup for us at that position.

Stopping Miami's 3's will be more important than anything Monroe gives us inside on offense. Against Bosh/James, we should be able to score plenty in the paint with just Drummond and Smith.

Monroe off the bench makes so much sense right now until we can trade him.

Pistons fans will kill you for that idea despite it being the right idea. We can always go to the big line-up in short spurts.

[vic]

Monroe is better because he's more efficient on offense. As Monroe and Drummond grow together they will be better on defense. Anyone who wants to give away a chance at building around 2 of the best young bigs in the league for the next 10 years... I feel sorry for your goals and plans, because you have no long term thinking skills.

If anyone is traded for an SF or coming off the bench for court balance it's going to be josh Smith. He's the one being torched by every SF in the league because he likes to gamble instead if stay home in the wings.

Probably because he's not a SF

You do realize he would move to PF if Monroe is traded right? I sure am getting sick of having to explain these things to people.

I do realize that, I'd still take Monroe. When Josh Smith's game wanes in the next 4 years, Monroe will be improving every year, and Monroe's game is smarter and more efficient already. Fits perfectly with Drummond.

[sc8581]

Monroe is better because he's more efficient on offense. As Monroe and Drummond grow together they will be better on defense. Anyone who wants to give away a chance at building around 2 of the best young bigs in the league for the next 10 years... I feel sorry for your goals and plans, because you have no long term thinking skills.

If anyone is traded for an SF or coming off the bench for court balance it's going to be josh Smith. He's the one being torched by every SF in the league because he likes to gamble instead if stay home in the wings.

Probably because he's not a SF

You do realize he would move to PF if Monroe is traded right? I sure am getting sick of having to explain these things to people.

I do realize that, I'd still take Monroe. When Josh Smith's game wanes in the next 4 years, Monroe will be improving every year, and Monroe's game is smarter and more efficient already. Fits perfectly with Drummond.

Monroe will not get any better, he hasn't since he came into the league. Smith is a much better fit next to Drummond.

[Balrog]

Probably because he's not a SF

You do realize he would move to PF if Monroe is traded right? I sure am getting sick of having to explain these things to people.

I do realize that, I'd still take Monroe. When Josh Smith's game wanes in the next 4 years, Monroe will be improving every year, and Monroe's game is smarter and more efficient already. Fits perfectly with Drummond.

Monroe will not get any better, he hasn't since he came into the league. Smith is a much better fit next to Drummond.

Saying that Monroe hasn't gotten any better since College is just utter ridiculous man. Someone hook this guy up a leaguepass... I feel sorry for him.

[sc8581]

I do realize that, I'd still take Monroe. When Josh Smith's game wanes in the next 4 years, Monroe will be improving every year, and Monroe's game is smarter and more efficient already. Fits perfectly with Drummond.

Monroe will not get any better, he hasn't since he came into the league. Smith is a much better fit next to Drummond.

Saying that Monroe hasn't gotten any better since College is just utter ridiculous man. Someone hook this guy up a leaguepass... I feel sorry for him.

What has he gotten better at?

[Invictus88]

Monroe will not get any better, he hasn't since he came into the league. Smith is a much better fit next to Drummond.

Saying that Monroe hasn't gotten any better since College is just utter ridiculous man. Someone hook this guy up a leaguepass... I feel sorry for him.

What has he gotten better at?

Granted it's not a large sample size (about 10% of his shots), but he's now shooting 50% from 8-16 ft. So he has shown at least a little improvement at those outside jumpers we need him to knock down. He shot 27% at this range last year.

He's just not shooting enough of them.

He also looks a little better in the paint this year (not as off-balance) but that could just be subjective.

I like the future where Monroe starts popping out shots from the 8-16 foot range and have Drummond further develop post moves down low.

This is much better in contrast to Smith shooting those jumpers which he has established himself at being poor at.

Defensively everyone has to get better effort-wise but I think that's largely coaching / scheme. Smith hasn't fared any better at guarding quick guys this year (both have been terrible) despite expectations otherwise.

Smith is also older / on his way to decline much sooner. So I take Monroe without batting an eye.

[pistontr]

Monroe is better because he's more efficient on offense. As Monroe and Drummond grow together they will be better on defense. Anyone who wants to give away a chance at building around 2 of the best young bigs in the league for the next 10 years... I feel sorry for your goals and plans, because you have no long term thinking skills.

If anyone is traded for an SF or coming off the bench for court balance it's going to be josh Smith. He's the one being torched by every SF in the league because he likes to gamble instead if stay home in the wings.

Probably because he's not a SF

You do realize he would move to PF if Monroe is traded right? I sure am getting sick of having to explain these things to people.

I do realize that, I'd still take Monroe. When Josh Smith's game wanes in the next 4 years, Monroe will be improving every year, and Monroe's game is smarter and more efficient already. Fits perfectly with Drummond.

could you elaborate this

[ComboGuardCity]

One game and 3 post scores later, we've come to this.