The Trevor Ariza dillemma

[NashtyNas]

Ariza would be the answer to the Nets prayers. Something around Mirza Teletovic + Jason Terry seems like it could work. WASH could use the added shooting from both spots.

Actually it wouldn't work because Terry and Teletovic stink and Terry is paid entirely too much money for his production.

Unfortunately, the Nets don't own their pick so that's not in play.

We don't know if Teletovic "stinks" and Terry certainly doesn't stink. Terry is a bench player who can get you 20 points a game, but he can have off nights (much like any other heat-check player). No, he's not the ideal shooting guard, nor can he defend anyone. But considering you mentioned that the Wiz require shooting (off the bench), both these guys are excellent fits. Teletovic has proven in what little time he's got that he's an excellent shooter for his size, which would be an advantage playing with Nene. I do agree however that Terry is paid too much, so unless the Wiz think he can get back in shape and produce like the old Terry, they wouldn't do it.

Still, let's not act like he's a terrible player.

[nuposse04]

How about Ariza for Illyasova straight up?

Ersan is playing pretty bad this year, we ought to be able to demand more with Ariza's play. Maybe Maynor+Ariza for Luke Ridinour+Ersan

we're still giving up the better player though. No moves should be made until we can ascertain how "ready" Porter is.

[Upper Decker]

How about Ariza for Illyasova straight up?

Ersan is playing pretty bad this year, we ought to be able to demand more with Ariza's play. Maybe Maynor+Ariza for Luke Ridinour+Ersan

we're still giving up the better player though. No moves should be made until we can ascertain how "ready" Porter is.

Ersan would play much better with wall setting him up. His poor play this season is not a concern of mine and I'd happily make this trade. Even Ariza straight up for Ersan is a good deal for me.

[pcbothwel]

What type of contract will Ariza want? Could be a last ditch effort for Cavs but would have to find the right value to send

Expectations will get more realistic as the trade deadline nears and the Wizards realize they cannot go forward with three small forwards and they still need a back up pg.

Ariza, Webster and Porter are not "three small fowards". All three can guard 2 positions (and even some stretch 4's), pass the ball, and make shots. In fact, the wiz have been playing Martell and Ariza together with much success. Ariza loves playing with the Wiz (and Wall) and he would not go anywhere else unless a massive contract came through or possibly LA because thats where he is from.

To anyone looking at Ariza, I will speak for most all wiz fans and say:
We would be "comfortable" trading Ariza in Late-January to mid February should Porter show some capability to contribute to a contending team. If any interested team does not offer a valued asset(3rd guard/young big/1st rnd pick), then the wizards and the fans are completely content letting Ariza play out this year and make a run.
Should he leave via FA, so be it.

[nate33]

What type of contract will Ariza want? Could be a last ditch effort for Cavs but would have to find the right value to send

Expectations will get more realistic as the trade deadline nears and the Wizards realize they cannot go forward with three small forwards and they still need a back up pg.

No. The expectations won't really change much. Ariza is a good player and the Wizards are doing just fine with him. They'd keep him and make an attempt to resign him next summer rather than trade him for 50 cents on the dollar.

[nate33]

How about Ariza for Illyasova straight up?

Ersan is playing pretty bad this year, we ought to be able to demand more with Ariza's play. Maybe Maynor+Ariza for Luke Ridinour+Ersan

we're still giving up the better player though. No moves should be made until we can ascertain how "ready" Porter is.

I'd do Ariza for Ilyasova straight up too. I'm also pretty confident that Ilyasova will look much better with Wall setting him up. Likewise, I think Wall will look even better with the floor spacing offered by Ilyasova.

Assuming Porter pans out to be a solid SF, then the Ariza for Ilyasova proposal is the best one I've seen to balance out the roster. Nene moves to the bench where he can captain the second unit while keeping his minutes down. Porter is the 3rd wing.

[gswhoops]

So Trevor Ariza, who's playing the best ball of his career, will be a free agent as season's end. The Wizards would want him back, but with Martell Webster resigned to a long contract and Otto Porter waiting in the wings, it seems as though resigning him will be tough.

What can the Wizards get for him? They need backup guards and bigmen in the worst way.

Unfortunately, I think this dilemma will also depress the value you get in return for him. Teams aren't going to pay full value for a guy who could walk at the end of the year (or alternately, who they could go after in the offseason at no asset cost).

[Lindecision]

I don't see the dilemma. Ariza is in the final year of his deal so the Wiz are never going to get good value for him anyway. He compliments Wall's style very well. He's also balling out on a team that wants to make the playoffs, so why trade him? Just play him.

[fishercob]

Rep-posting my thoughts from the Wiz Board:

I have been a vocal proponent of trading Ariza, but have changed my mind. A big reason behind my thinking was given my confidence that we are going to re-up Gortat, we won't have all that much cap room. So I figured we just ought to trade Ariza for a good player and then use the MLE instead of the cap space.

Ariza is going to be attractive to two types of teams -- those that want to add him for deep playoff run, and those that want salary relief. Well, as has been pointed out, we have other expiring deals. We don't need Ariza to trade for a Channing Frye or Glen Davis or Amir Johnson (should we have the chance), as we have Singleton, Seraphin, Booker, and Vesely who all play less and are less important to the team. As for contenders, no one is going to give up a player that will be really helpful to us in order to add Ariza. Maybe someone has (and would give up) a decent pick for him. Time will bear that out.

It's aggressively optimistic (that's another way of saying foolishly unrealistic) to assume that Porter -- a rookie with obviously no NBA experience, coming off an injury -- is going to match Ariza's contributions at any point this year, let alone reasonably soon. So unless something really, really good comes along that makes us a much better team now and/or strengthens our asset base for the future, we ought to just hold on to Ariza.

Keep in mind, his Bird RIghts might have some value. Some takes that may want him probably won't have the cap space to sign him outright, so we could finagle a little value in JJ Redick type of S&T to a contender if it comes to that.

Bottom line is that I doubt that trading Ariza makes any sense.

[WizardsWorld]

I'm definitely on board to keep him at this point.... unless its a deal we cant refuse. He is ballin out right now and we're playing great with him,... so I don't wanna mess up the chemistry at this point. When Otto comes back.... Ariza and Webster can both play some SG.

Beal/Webster
Ariza/Porter

looks like a GREAT SG/SF rotation to me.

[nuposse04]

How about Ariza for Illyasova straight up?

Ersan is playing pretty bad this year, we ought to be able to demand more with Ariza's play. Maybe Maynor+Ariza for Luke Ridinour+Ersan

we're still giving up the better player though. No moves should be made until we can ascertain how "ready" Porter is.

I'd do Ariza for Ilyasova straight up too. I'm also pretty confident that Ilyasova will look much better with Wall setting him up. Likewise, I think Wall will look even better with the floor spacing offered by Ilyasova.

Assuming Porter pans out to be a solid SF, then the Ariza for Ilyasova proposal is the best one I've seen to balance out the roster. Nene moves to the bench where he can captain the second unit while keeping his minutes down. Porter is the 3rd wing.

The problem is that the proposal there is a little nonsensical for MIL. They're terrible, they don't want or need (or at least they shouldn't) a player like Ariza. He's a win now guy. A 3rd team ought to be brought in IMO.

[nate33]

Yeah, that is a bit of a problem, isn't it?

[zapatasblood]

If Ariza would not mind coming off the bench and coming back to the Rockets.
Brewer, Motie and best 2nd round for Ariza
Third team team getting Asik for a back up big

[fishercob]

Yeah, that is a bit of a problem, isn't it?

Milwaukee trades Ilyasova for Perry Jones, Glen Rice and Sefolosha (expiring)
Wizards trade Ariza and Glen Rice for Ilyasova and Thabeet
OKC trades Thabo, Perry Jones and Thabeet for Ariza

OKC gets a big upgrade on the floor without giving up Adams, Lamb or any picks. They can retain Ariza this summer by amnestying Perkins. They'd be really, really hard to score on, and Ariza would still get plenty of open looks from 3.

Milwaukee gets two cheap prospects and salary relief (and dont take on any ugly filler deals).

Wiz get a stretch 4 to add to the core.

[nuposse04]

^OKC needs another big I think...Maybe throw in Booker heading towards OKC.

[nate33]

^OKC needs another big I think...Maybe throw in Booker heading towards OKC.

*cough* Seraphin *cough*