Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[moocow007]

I have a friend of a friend who has an in with the knicks I don't know how or any specifics. He texted him this morning saying "Knicks get Deng, Varejao, Hinrich, Waiters. Cleveland gets Chandler and Shump. Bulls get melo" He said this isn't a guy who just makes up trades and send it to him.

This trade works under the espn trade checker. Thought it was interesting if nothing at all. I have no idea who this is or if he's anything that's why I kept it in the trade thread and didn't post anything in a separate thread.

I'm not trying to spread anything or start any kind of rumor just wanted to pass along another trade idea I guess.

Cheers

So the Knicks downgrade from Anthony to Deng, Chandler to Varejao and Shumpert to Hinrich...just to get Waiters (a pudgy shot happy SG)? Deng's a free agent coming off of $14 million a season so if they plan on keeping him it's likely going to take a meaty chunk out of their plans for someone that is clearly not a no.1 option. Varejao misses on average about 50% of the games a season and is off to a slow start this season (only 8/7). Hinrich would give the Knicks 4 backup PG's and 0 starting PG's. Waiters is a inefficient shooting guard...Knicks already have one of them.

[recko321]

I have a friend of a friend who has an in with the knicks I don't know how or any specifics. He texted him this morning saying "Knicks get Deng, Varejao, Hinrich, Waiters. Cleveland gets Chandler and Shump. Bulls get melo" He said this isn't a guy who just makes up trades and send it to him.

This trade works under the espn trade checker. Thought it was interesting if nothing at all. I have no idea who this is or if he's anything that's why I kept it in the trade thread and didn't post anything in a separate thread.

I'm not trying to spread anything or start any kind of rumor just wanted to pass along another trade idea I guess.

Cheers

So the Knicks downgrade from Anthony to Deng, Chandler to Varejao and Shumpert to Hinrich...just to get Waiters?

As I said, I have no idea about this but just found it interesting that it worked under trade checker and it was coming from someone who he "claims has an in". No harm meant.

[Marty McFly]

that is a garbage ass return for melo/shump/chandler. seriously.

[Hijinks]

I have a friend of a friend who has an in with the knicks I don't know how or any specifics. He texted him this morning saying "Knicks get Deng, Varejao, Hinrich, Waiters. Cleveland gets Chandler and Shump. Bulls get melo" He said this isn't a guy who just makes up trades and send it to him.

This trade works under the espn trade checker. Thought it was interesting if nothing at all. I have no idea who this is or if he's anything that's why I kept it in the trade thread and didn't post anything in a separate thread.

I'm not trying to spread anything or start any kind of rumor just wanted to pass along another trade idea I guess.

Cheers

If there arent any 1st rounders involved, that trade would be horrible. So thanks, i guess that trade will happen.

[SuperflyKnick]

I have a friend of a friend who has an in with the knicks I don't know how or any specifics. He texted him this morning saying "Knicks get Deng, Varejao, Hinrich, Waiters. Cleveland gets Chandler and Shump. Bulls get melo" He said this isn't a guy who just makes up trades and send it to him.

This trade works under the espn trade checker. Thought it was interesting if nothing at all. I have no idea who this is or if he's anything that's why I kept it in the trade thread and didn't post anything in a separate thread.

I'm not trying to spread anything or start any kind of rumor just wanted to pass along another trade idea I guess.

Cheers

That package is not enough to net Carmelo alone and ur including chandler and shumpert to it also... Dude at least look at wat ur posting ... How wud that even make sense wen u are downgrading every position and then getting no draft pjs back

[Thugger HBC]

Wow at that proposal.

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[moocow007]

I have a friend of a friend who has an in with the knicks I don't know how or any specifics. He texted him this morning saying "Knicks get Deng, Varejao, Hinrich, Waiters. Cleveland gets Chandler and Shump. Bulls get melo" He said this isn't a guy who just makes up trades and send it to him.

This trade works under the espn trade checker. Thought it was interesting if nothing at all. I have no idea who this is or if he's anything that's why I kept it in the trade thread and didn't post anything in a separate thread.

I'm not trying to spread anything or start any kind of rumor just wanted to pass along another trade idea I guess.

Cheers

If there arent any 1st rounders involved, that trade would be horrible. So thanks, i guess that trade will happen.

There are no big name players in that mix to draw the crowds in. Dolan, if nothing else knows that. It's not going to happen. Dolan is looking for big names to splash across the big banners and bill boards in the garden and across the city. That's why it's unlikely they'd ever move Anthony. If they do, they certainly aren't going to do it for a mish mosh no name group like this. A type of trade that the Knicks would do (assuming they had the assets) would have been to ship it all to LA for Kobe and have Kobe and Carmelo be their big draw. This type of trade? Not at all. Only guy on the Bulls that MAY make up for some of the marquee ability (other than Rose) is Joakim Noah (NYC kid). This trade gets them nothing. Deng is a FA at the end of the season. Varejao has missed about 50% of the games the last 3 years and, at 31 years of age, isn't likely to suddenly go on a uptick. Hinrich is a 32 year old backup PG with a lot of mileage that can't shoot and really was never know for running an offense. So basically they'd be dealing their bread and butter for Dion Waiters who will form just a darlingly plump backcourt with Ray Felton who combined probably will struggle to shoot above 40% from the field (though they likely will take plenty o shots). Maybe Dolan can market that backcourt as Fatty Ray and Chubby D.

[Rasho Brezec]

It's a reasonable trade.

[SuperflyKnick]

It's a reasonable trade.

LOLZ any trade that has Carmelo going is reasonable to you my dude ..... we know that much

[Rasho Brezec]

You need to wake up and realize a player who can opt out at the end of the season and is on a team with the worst record in the league doesn't have as much trade value as you want him to have. This way, he gets his big market and a competitive team.

I think Dolan might have something in the works with CAA. Thibs is a CAA agent and he loves Deng who the Bulls GM hates. They might actually be trying to get him to quit that Bulls team.

[mpharris36]

It's a reasonable trade.

not sure if serious?

Bulls trades - Deng and Hinrich and acquire Melo????

Cleveland trades - always injured Varejao and chucker Waiters and receives an All-Star in Chandler and a Shumpert???

Knicks trade away our best 3 players and receive Deng, Hinrich, Varejao (for 2 years), and Waiters? Awful deal on both front for the knicks. The Cavs and Bulls would be jumping for joy.

Unless multiple and I mean multiple first come from both the Bulls and Cavs that is a laughable trade.

[InToTheHoop]

New York trades: Amare Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Iman Shumpert
New York gets: Rajon Rondo, Gerald Wallace, Kendrick Perkins, Courtney Lee, Nick Collison

OKC trades: Kendrick Perkins, Nick Collison, Jeremy Lamb, Reggie Jackson
OKC gets: Tyson Chandler, Raymond Felton

Boston trades: Rajon Rondo, Gerald Wallace, Courtney Lee
Boston gets: Amare Stoudemire, Jeremy Lamb, Iman Shumpert, Reggie Jackson

Why for New York?

They get the best player in the deal, who plays the position they need to upgrade the most. Rondo, Melo and Bargs could be a dangerous combo. Obviously, they have to take on all these junk contracts from the other two teams.

Why for OKC?

They contend and need that last piece. Chandler for Perkins is a major upgrade and could put them over the top. They have to give up two young prospects in Lamb and Jackson. But they also get Felton, who can be a solid back up PG and replace some of the bench scoring from the perimeter.

Why for Boston?

Tank for Wiggins or Jabari. They give up Rondo, but get back three nice guard prospects they can pair with their big guys Green, Sullinger, Olynyk and Faverani. Jackson went to Boston college and I remember that Ainge was pretty high on him. He could take Rondos position while Lamb and Shump give them a nice offense-defense tandem at the 2. They also get a lot of cap relief as they unload these garbage contracts on the Knicks. All these young prospects + Amare would be perfect for tanking.

[recko321]

I have a friend of a friend who has an in with the knicks I don't know how or any specifics. He texted him this morning saying "Knicks get Deng, Varejao, Hinrich, Waiters. Cleveland gets Chandler and Shump. Bulls get melo" He said this isn't a guy who just makes up trades and send it to him.

This trade works under the espn trade checker. Thought it was interesting if nothing at all. I have no idea who this is or if he's anything that's why I kept it in the trade thread and didn't post anything in a separate thread.

I'm not trying to spread anything or start any kind of rumor just wanted to pass along another trade idea I guess.

Cheers

If there arent any 1st rounders involved, that trade would be horrible. So thanks, i guess that trade will happen.

There are no big name players in that mix to draw the crowds in. Dolan, if nothing else knows that. It's not going to happen. Dolan is looking for big names to splash across the big banners and bill boards in the garden and across the city. That's why it's unlikely they'd ever move Anthony. If they do, they certainly aren't going to do it for a mish mosh no name group like this. A type of trade that the Knicks would do (assuming they had the assets) would have been to ship it all to LA for Kobe and have Kobe and Carmelo be their big draw. This type of trade? Not at all. Only guy on the Bulls that MAY make up for some of the marquee ability (other than Rose) is Joakim Noah (NYC kid). This trade gets them nothing. Deng is a FA at the end of the season. Varejao has missed about 50% of the games the last 3 years and, at 31 years of age, isn't likely to suddenly go on a uptick. Hinrich is a 32 year old backup PG with a lot of mileage that can't shoot and really was never know for running an offense. So basically they'd be dealing their bread and butter for Dion Waiters who will form just a darlingly plump backcourt with Ray Felton who combined probably will struggle to shoot above 40% from the field (though they likely will take plenty o shots). Maybe Dolan can market that backcourt as Fatty Ray and Chubby D.

I agree with this 100% but would the potential at an Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Julius Randall be big name enough. I am not a knicks fan but with the record you currently have and the fact that Carmelo can opt out of his contract maybe this is the thinking. Like I said my intentions we to not start a rumor, but to just share I guess. that's why buried it deep in this thread.

[SuperflyKnick]

NY- Perkins, Thabo, Jackson
OKL- Bargnani, Jr Smith, Udrih, Martin


Ny- Gets a backup center in perkins and Thabo who are defensive minded players the knicks can use. With this move they fully commit to Shumpert and Hardaway Jr. Reggie Jackson is the cherry on top as he cud step up and start

OKC- Bargnani next to Ibaka wudnt be bad as he can pull opposing big men out of the paint allowing durant and westbrook to attack even more... Thabo is replaced by Jr who could become there 3rd scorer they need. Martin and Udrih are 2 solid veterans they can have off the bench... They lose promising player in reggie but he plays the same position as westbrook. They also upgrade from perkins , thabo to Bargani, Jr

[moocow007]

It's a reasonable trade.

That's not a reasonable trade. The Knicks get worse in the short run and get no real assets in the long run...unless you think a fat version of JR Smith (see Waiters) making 4th overall pick money (which is about the same as what JR Smith will be paid) for the next 3 years is a real asset.

[moocow007]

NY- Perkins, Thabo, Jackson
OKL- Bargnani, Jr Smith, Udrih, Martin


Ny- Gets a backup center in perkins and Thabo who are defensive minded players the knicks can use. With this move they fully commit to Shumpert and Hardaway Jr. Reggie Jackson is the cherry on top as he cud step up and start

OKC- Bargnani next to Ibaka wudnt be bad as he can pull opposing big men out of the paint allowing durant and westbrook to attack even more... Thabo is replaced by Jr who could become there 3rd scorer they need. Martin and Udrih are 2 solid veterans they can have off the bench... They lose promising player in reggie but he plays the same position as westbrook. They also upgrade from perkins , thabo to Bargani, Jr

Perkins is absolutely the worst starting C (and you can possibly argue the worst C period that gets any real playing time) in the NBA right now. That might be something that you can ignore and just stick him at the end of the bench if not for the fact that he's owed $8.5 million this season and $9.1 million next season. Thabo isn't anything special, won't really help spread the floor for Anthony and he's a FA after this season so there's probably a good chance he'll bolt. Jackson isn't ready to be a full time anything yet (still too many turnovers and he's playing a team with 2 guys that can mask his weaknesses and draw attention away from him). Unless the Knicks are looking rebuild (i.e. Jackson being the bet) this really doesn't help much.

[Rasho Brezec]

It's a reasonable trade.

That's not a reasonable trade. The Knicks get worse in the short run and get no real assets in the long run...unless you think a fat version of JR Smith (see Waiters) making 4th overall pick money (which is about the same as what JR Smith will be paid) for the next 3 years is a real asset.

Nah, we get better because we stop with the isolation plays and go to ball movement. All of those players are willing passers. Waiters is already a better and more efficient player than JR Spliff was at this point in his career and that's not an easy task playing for an offense sucking vortex that is Mike Brown. It also makes JR expendable which is another bonus. With that team, we should get the 8th seed and get swept by Pacers or Miami. At this point, we'd all take that.

[Rasho Brezec]

NY- Perkins, Thabo, Jackson
OKL- Bargnani, Jr Smith, Udrih, Martin


Ny- Gets a backup center in perkins and Thabo who are defensive minded players the knicks can use. With this move they fully commit to Shumpert and Hardaway Jr. Reggie Jackson is the cherry on top as he cud step up and start

OKC- Bargnani next to Ibaka wudnt be bad as he can pull opposing big men out of the paint allowing durant and westbrook to attack even more... Thabo is replaced by Jr who could become there 3rd scorer they need. Martin and Udrih are 2 solid veterans they can have off the bench... They lose promising player in reggie but he plays the same position as westbrook. They also upgrade from perkins , thabo to Bargani, Jr

That's a good trade but it puts OKC into lux tax. Reggie Jackson is a baller, he'd totally beast in a starting role here.

[moocow007]

It's a reasonable trade.

That's not a reasonable trade. The Knicks get worse in the short run and get no real assets in the long run...unless you think a fat version of JR Smith (see Waiters) making 4th overall pick money (which is about the same as what JR Smith will be paid) for the next 3 years is a real asset.

Nah, we get better because we stop with the isolation plays and go to ball movement. All of those players are willing passers. Waiters is already a better and more efficient player than JR Spliff was at this point in his career and that's not an easy task playing for an offense sucking vortex that is Mike Brown. It also makes JR expendable which is another bonus. With that team, we should get the 8th seed and get swept by Pacers or Miami. At this point, we'd all take that.

Who is Deng going to pass the ball to? Fatty Felton? As far as Waiters go, you obviously have not watched play. Go ask Cav fans who have how good he is. If it was that easy to improve the passing by keeping on adding backup PG's (see Hinrich) we wouldn't be talking about the Knicks ball movement issues cause we already have 3 backup PG's. What's a 4th backup PG who can't hit the side of a barn going to do? Hinrich was NEVER EVER a good PG in terms of running an offense...his forte was defense and shooting. His shooting is gone (36% from the field, 28% from 3)...his defense is blah.

[Rasho Brezec]

Funny you say that, I know a Cavs fan who'd rather see Irving go instead of Waiters because Waiters actually cares and doesn't hog the ball.

Every offense is more dangerous when there's ball and off-ball movement going on, especially when your roster isn't that talented. Yes, he'd pass to Felton and it'd be better than what they're doing right now.