What is Chris Bosh worth to us?

[Pure_Basketball]

I think obviously you're going to have teams offering him the max contract next year, he is a good 1st/2nd option for a team if you just talking offensively.

But for us, he's really not worth the max contract he commands, this season he's averaging 14.6 ppg, 5.8 rpg, and less than an assist as a starting center.

I don't want to talk Beasley up but as the 3rd option on this team, he could play that role, rebound better and do it for a much smaller contract. I'd rather take the money we would give to Bosh and split it into a good rebounding center/garbage man, and versatile big men off the bench. A Paul Milsap type of player would be good for big man off the bench role.

I mean don't get me wrong I'd have Chris Bosh back and I believe in loyalty, but not for the max, somewhere around 10-12 million is what I think he's worth based on his play the last couple of seasons, if he could rebound at a decent rate he'd be much more desirable for this team.

[ReturnofMVP3]

16+. As Wade declines we will need him more and more. Right now he is masked away as a jump shooter who takes long 2s and 3's for no other reason then we need the lane open for Wade and James. He excels in that luckily but he is very explosive around the rim when given the oppertunity and easily a 25/10 player on most teams in the league. You just don't let that kind of talent walk away. He deserves the 16+ but I assume he'll be nice and take 14 which I am more than fine with.

[RexBoyWonder]

Well it's a tricky question. You can't get just Milsap and Asik (for example) instead just because you want them. They're under contract with other teams.

I do feel that CONSTANT smallball should be coming to it's end. It should an option, but not our main strategy going forward.

Honestly im starting to wonder if Bosh would really get Max offers from other teams. a Max for him is 20 Mil (in his first year of the new contract). Im starting to doubt if teams are going to give him that. I think he's worth 16, at most. Even for bad teams.

The question shouldn't be "what is Bosh worth", it should be "what other options can we have IF we let him go?, and is there a better attainable option for us out there?"

[RexBoyWonder]

16+. As Wade declines we will need him more and more. Right now he is masked away as a jump shooter who takes long 2s and 3's for no other reason then we need the lane open for Wade and James. He excels in that luckily but he is very explosive around the rim when given the oppertunity and easily a 25/10 player on most teams in the league. You just don't let that kind of talent walk away. He deserves the 16+ but I assume he'll be nice and take 14 which I am more than fine with.

He's not explosive at all. You should watch him more closely. His game has really been ALOT lees athletic for a long time now. That's partly why he's a bad rebounder. And I doubt he'll get 25 and 10 on any decent team. Maybe on some real bad ones.

[ReturnofMVP3]

16+. As Wade declines we will need him more and more. Right now he is masked away as a jump shooter who takes long 2s and 3's for no other reason then we need the lane open for Wade and James. He excels in that luckily but he is very explosive around the rim when given the oppertunity and easily a 25/10 player on most teams in the league. You just don't let that kind of talent walk away. He deserves the 16+ but I assume he'll be nice and take 14 which I am more than fine with.

He's not explosive at all. You should watch him more closely. His game has really been ALOT lees athletic for a long time now. That's partly why he's a bad rebounder. And I doubt he'll get 25 and 10 on any decent team. Maybe on some real bad ones.

His last year in Toronto shows otherwise (yeah i know they were on the verge of 8th seed at best before he got injured but still he had the likes of Jose Calderon as a second option)

[DefenseWins]

Chris Bosh on any other team is a 1st option. Here, he is the 3rd option. He can average 20ppg+ if he wants to, but I don't know about the rebounding. We are one of the baddest rebounding teams in the league, don't give me that garbage that because of Wade/LBJ or whomever, Bosh doesn't get all the rebounds. If anything, all the rebounds are there for the taking. However, Bosh's minutes are low too, the Big 3 in general have been playing low minutes to what they are use to and their stats will suffer.

People will probably mention Bosh's rebound in Game 6 to give to Ray, but Duncan wasn't in the game. Hard to say what could have happened if Duncan was covering Bosh at that time.

Bosh is going to be 30 next year. For the most part he is healthy (the best thing about Bosh imo, never anything serious besides 2012 playoffs which was not his fault) and in his prime. If he were next to Wade or just LeBron, he would be averaging 20ppg-25ppg.

People want Bosh to get 10-12mil and that's not happening. I'd like the Heat to offer 15mil, but I think he gets 16-17mil. What's funny is, Bosh would eat us alive if he were on another team. We can't defend bigs like him. To see him go, even on another rival, would be worse for us.

[RexBoyWonder]

16+. As Wade declines we will need him more and more. Right now he is masked away as a jump shooter who takes long 2s and 3's for no other reason then we need the lane open for Wade and James. He excels in that luckily but he is very explosive around the rim when given the oppertunity and easily a 25/10 player on most teams in the league. You just don't let that kind of talent walk away. He deserves the 16+ but I assume he'll be nice and take 14 which I am more than fine with.

He's not explosive at all. You should watch him more closely. His game has really been ALOT lees athletic for a long time now. That's partly why he's a bad rebounder. And I doubt he'll get 25 and 10 on any decent team. Maybe on some real bad ones.

His last year in Toronto shows otherwise (yeah i know they were on the verge of 8th seed at best before he got injured but still he had the likes of Jose Calderon as a second option)

Again, he's much less quick and athletic now then what he used to be back then. And they were a bad team with him having his career year. That's partly why I doubt any team would want to make him their centerpiece and offer him the 20Mil$ max. That team would be bad unless there's a legit superstar next to him.

[broke]

Bosh won us the chip as much as Allen did with the 3. Without the rebound the Spurs were celebrating on our floor just like Dallas did. That said, is he worth max? No I don't think his play deserves his contract but he is ultimately trapped behind Bron and Wade. That was his sacrifice really. He could and would be much better on another team but he wanted to be part of this dynasty in building so had to alter his game. Like him or not the guy went from being the go to guy to number 3, sometimes not even that. He signed this deal with LeBron and Wade did I don't think even he knew how it was all going to pan out. If I'm Riley though I'm just not sure I offer him another giant contract. Just saying.

[RexBoyWonder]

To be honest, If we could have had Asik + Ryan Anderson for Bosh, I would probably do it. I think Bosh is wasted in our system to a degree. But we can't get them for him. So we might as well keep him, and hope to bring in another quality big to cover for his weakness (Oden, draft, discount veteran).

Im hoping we give him around 15Mil (first year), I think that a fair offer and close to his value and just a bit less then what he might get from teams like the Bucks or Cavs.

[KingDavid]

To be honest, If we could have had Asik + Ryan Anderson for Bosh, I would probably do it. I think Bosh is wasted in our system to a degree. But we can't get them for him. So we might as well keep him, and hope to bring in another quality big to cover for his weakness (Oden, draft, discount veteran).

Im hoping we give him around 15Mil (first year), I think that a fair offer and close to his value and just a bit less then what he might get from teams like the Bucks or Cavs.

we would get thrashed on d. Ryan Anderson guarding p&r? That'll escalate quickly. Stone hands Asik? Even better. The rockets would pound the league into submission with a d12 + bosh frontline.

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[KingDavid]

Do any of you know how our defense even works? Do you know what the number one offensive play used in the nba is? Do you know what team is number one at guarding aforementioned play?

You may feel that Bosh isn't worth the max since he's been playing like crap basically since the finals. But he's a third option, his numbers are going to be down. How do we fair with him on the court vs off the court?

You're all a bunch of spoiled fks. No bosh, no rings. Would you rather we had STAT? Injury prone. Garbage Love? Injury prone. Poor defender. Aldridge? Injury prone. Poor defender. Griffin? Such a great defender, awesome at spacing the floor. Jeez deal with it or gtfo. Bosh is here for as long as the organization wants him. Your opinion doesn't mean squat. Keep him off your fantasy team and pop a xanax

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[Pure_Basketball]

People who bring up that Bosh would be a 25/10 player on another team, how does he magically capture another 4 boards just because he plays somewhere else? I can understand where the points come from, he doesn't get any post touches for the Heat. But how does he become a better rebounder because of the jersey he wears?

[LBJ-ITALY]

Bosh won us the chip as much as Allen did with the 3. Without the rebound the Spurs were celebrating on our floor just like Dallas did. That said, is he worth max? No I don't think his play deserves his contract but he is ultimately trapped behind Bron and Wade. That was his sacrifice really. He could and would be much better on another team but he wanted to be part of this dynasty in building so had to alter his game. Like him or not the guy went from being the go to guy to number 3, sometimes not even that. He signed this deal with LeBron and Wade did I don't think even he knew how it was all going to pan out. If I'm Riley though I'm just not sure I offer him another giant contract. Just saying.

lolll at " Bosh won us the chip" what does that mean?! yes he has grabbed that rebound, but he has been awful in the whole PO', damn he was like 9p and 3reb in the last 11 games! so for one rebound we should give him a pass for the rest of his carrier?

[MisterHibachi]

Only big man better for us than Bosh is Anthony Davis.

Without Bosh, Chicago takes us to 7 in 2011 and Rose dominates the pick and roll, OKC and Westbrook go off in 2012, and Parker wins FMVP in 2013. Bosh is one of the best at defending the pick and roll, oh btw which just happens to be the staple of every offense.

We aren't getting Davis and I would take no other big man for this team than Bosh and that includes Love, Asik or Anderson. And please stop with the Beasley stuff, he's playing good but damn overreaction to its finest.

[Pure_Basketball]

Only big man better for us than Bosh is Anthony Davis.

Without Bosh, Chicago takes us to 7 in 2011 and Rose dominates the pick and roll, OKC and Westbrook go off in 2012, and Parker wins FMVP in 2013. Bosh is one of the best at defending the pick and roll, oh btw which just happens to be the staple of every offense.

We aren't getting Davis and I would take no other big man for this team than Bosh and that includes Love, Asik or Anderson. And please stop with the Beasley stuff, he's playing good but damn overreaction to its finest.

You know what's also a staple of every offense, shots at the rim. Which Bosh doesn't do the best job at defending, or securing the possession by rebounding the ball. It's give and take.

[MisterHibachi]

Only big man better for us than Bosh is Anthony Davis.

Without Bosh, Chicago takes us to 7 in 2011 and Rose dominates the pick and roll, OKC and Westbrook go off in 2012, and Parker wins FMVP in 2013. Bosh is one of the best at defending the pick and roll, oh btw which just happens to be the staple of every offense.

We aren't getting Davis and I would take no other big man for this team than Bosh and that includes Love, Asik or Anderson. And please stop with the Beasley stuff, he's playing good but damn overreaction to its finest.

You know what's also a staple of every offense, shots at the rim. Which Bosh doesn't do the best job at defending, or securing the possession by rebounding the ball. It's give and take.

Okay, if not Bosh, who's our big man? Who are we gonna sign? You can't have LeBrons across the board, not every player is capable doing everything. I recognize that Bosh isn't the best rebounder. But his detractors can't seem to recognize that even though he isn't a traditional defender, he's still one of the best in the league in his role.

Name a single big who we can sign or trade for that would be better for us than Bosh.

[Slot Machine]

Only big man better for us than Bosh is Anthony Davis.

Without Bosh, Chicago takes us to 7 in 2011 and Rose dominates the pick and roll, OKC and Westbrook go off in 2012, and Parker wins FMVP in 2013. Bosh is one of the best at defending the pick and roll, oh btw which just happens to be the staple of every offense.

We aren't getting Davis and I would take no other big man for this team than Bosh and that includes Love, Asik or Anderson. And please stop with the Beasley stuff, he's playing good but damn overreaction to its finest.

You know what's also a staple of every offense, shots at the rim. Which Bosh doesn't do the best job at defending, or securing the possession by rebounding the ball. It's give and take.

Of course our inside D is weak, Bosh's "big man" partner is a 35 year old 6'8 wing.

[Pure_Basketball]

Only big man better for us than Bosh is Anthony Davis.

Without Bosh, Chicago takes us to 7 in 2011 and Rose dominates the pick and roll, OKC and Westbrook go off in 2012, and Parker wins FMVP in 2013. Bosh is one of the best at defending the pick and roll, oh btw which just happens to be the staple of every offense.

We aren't getting Davis and I would take no other big man for this team than Bosh and that includes Love, Asik or Anderson. And please stop with the Beasley stuff, he's playing good but damn overreaction to its finest.

You know what's also a staple of every offense, shots at the rim. Which Bosh doesn't do the best job at defending, or securing the possession by rebounding the ball. It's give and take.

Okay, if not Bosh, who's our big man? Who are we gonna sign? You can't have LeBrons across the board, not every player is capable doing everything. I recognize that Bosh isn't the best rebounder. But his detractors can't seem to recognize that even though he isn't a traditional defender, he's still one of the best in the league in his role.

Name a single big who we can sign or trade for that would be better for us than Bosh.

We could easily make a trade for
Asik + Jeremy Lin or a trade similar to that, individually you probably won't find a better player for the Heat than Bosh. But the money we save and the additional players we could add would be better.

Even if we could sign a big like Spencer Hawes and add a player of Luol Deng's quality through free agency that could be a good move, Deng is a good rebounder, defender and a solid scorer. Spencer Hawes spaces the floor, is a 10rpg player and is a great passer (3APG). Those two players combined could be great for Miami.

Dwyane Wade - 12m
Luol Deng - 12m
Spencer Hawes -7m
Lebron James - 18m
Joel Anthony - 4m

Leaves us with the rights to our other free agents.

PG - Chalmers / Cole
SG - Wade
SF - Deng / Lebron
PF - Lebron / Beasley
C - Hawes / Birdman / Oden

Even if we can't afford to get both Hawes and Deng, you could get Hawes which is a really good fit, and sign all of our players that are unsigned to contracts they're deserving of, and have a little bit of cap left over.

[mopper8]

Ugh what is with the Asik obsession, dude is just a taller Joel Anthony on offense. That's who you want?

[KingDavid]

You know what's also a staple of every offense, shots at the rim. Which Bosh doesn't do the best job at defending, or securing the possession by rebounding the ball. It's give and take.

Okay, if not Bosh, who's our big man? Who are we gonna sign? You can't have LeBrons across the board, not every player is capable doing everything. I recognize that Bosh isn't the best rebounder. But his detractors can't seem to recognize that even though he isn't a traditional defender, he's still one of the best in the league in his role.

Name a single big who we can sign or trade for that would be better for us than Bosh.

We could easily make a trade for
Asik + Jeremy Lin or a trade similar to that, individually you probably won't find a better player for the Heat than Bosh. But the money we save and the additional players we could add would be better.

Even if we could sign a big like Spencer Hawes and add a player of Luol Deng's quality through free agency that could be a good move, Deng is a good rebounder, defender and a solid scorer. Spencer Hawes spaces the floor, is a 10rpg player and is a great passer (3APG). Those two players combined could be great for Miami.

Dwyane Wade - 12m
Luol Deng - 12m
Spencer Hawes -7m
Lebron James - 18m
Joel Anthony - 4m

Leaves us with the rights to our other free agents.

PG - Chalmers / Cole
SG - Wade
SF - Deng / Lebron
PF - Lebron / Beasley
C - Hawes / Birdman / Oden

Even if we can't afford to get both Hawes and Deng, you could get Hawes which is a really good fit, and sign all of our players that are unsigned to contracts they're deserving of, and have a little bit of cap left over.

Thank God you're not our GM.