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Re: OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread 

Post#801 » by LoveMyRaps » Sun Dec 1, 2013 5:03 pm

raps_baller wrote:Besides his athleticism, I really don't see all the hype for Wiggins. His handle is poor, his shot is poor, his confidence looks low and he seems to not know what to do with the ball. Also, I find his athleticism over rated. Everyone says he is a CRAZY athlete but he is no more athletic than DeMar (who I believe had a more polished game in college. I'd take Jabari over wiggins for sure.

Athleticism is SO overrated anyway if you don't have skills. Gerald Green, Jeremy Evans, Derrick Williams, Stromile, T Ross, etc.



Did you seriously just say he's just as athletic as Demar? Stupid comment to make.
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Re: OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread 

Post#802 » by Chaos Engine » Sun Dec 1, 2013 5:17 pm

Wiggins is so much more athletic than Demar, who is an overrated athlete.
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Post#803 » by Kabatnaz » Sun Dec 1, 2013 5:51 pm

raps_baller wrote:Besides his athleticism, I really don't see all the hype for Wiggins. His handle is poor, his shot is poor, his confidence looks low and he seems to not know what to do with the ball. Also, I find his athleticism over rated. Everyone says he is a CRAZY athlete but he is no more athletic than DeMar (who I believe had a more polished game in college. I'd take Jabari over wiggins for sure.

Athleticism is SO overrated anyway if you don't have skills. Gerald Green, Jeremy Evans, Derrick Williams, Stromile, T Ross, etc.


What makes Wiggins dangerous is his defence; a direct result of his athleticism. He explodes quickly which makes him hard to shoot over. His offensive game is slick, he let's the offence come to him and he plays within the system. Most importantly, his teams win games.

The whole point is winning games.

No more athletic than Demar? Compare how they play defence.


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Re: OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread 

Post#804 » by akakalakin » Mon Dec 2, 2013 12:56 pm

Yosemite Dan wrote:It seems like Wiggins is getting the Bargnani treatment here already. He has been mostly invisible considering the hype and does a couple of good things for a few minutes in a game and is lauded for it when that should be the norm, not the exception. I've only seen him in 2 games but I am not impressed, the talent is there but he just looks like he will have motivational issues and I hate to bring Bargs up again but he reminds me of Bargnani with his demeanor on the court. He seems lazy and has that bored look on his face that he would rather be somewhere else. And people say that he will mature but i can't think of any players who had motivational problems that didn't have that throughout thier career.

I just feel with the amount of press this guy got, he would be jumping at the chance to show everyone what he can do right from the first game. If the pressure is too great for him now or his college debut isn't enough to kickstart his engine, imagine when he gets to the pros. I can't see him going #1 if he keeps this up. I could see him even falling a few spots like Rudy Gay did in the draft.


did AB get more rebounds than Wiggins points? (6)
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Re: OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread 

Post#805 » by dballislife » Mon Dec 2, 2013 2:42 pm

wiggins has a lot of gay in him

gay had a go with flow style and inconsistent motor when he was young too

now hes too aggressive
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Re: OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread 

Post#807 » by boateng » Mon Dec 2, 2013 8:01 pm

personally i would draft parker, emblid, randle or even maybe marcus smart over wiggins. i know its early but haven't been impressed with him
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Re: OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread 

Post#808 » by fredericklove » Mon Dec 2, 2013 8:45 pm

I've seen Wiggy's aggression and his 1st scoring option mentality b4, maybe it wasn't much of a fair sample size but that's what he did in his first hoop summit game, it wasn't really an all star format either since they were running some plays in that game, basically a lot of plays ran thru him, especially in catch and shoot sets, a few PnRs, and him excelling on the open court, and defensively he was beasting on the glass too. Last game, he was doing the same on the glass but missing some easy 2nd chance points in the process but he was doing all he could there, plus he was well covered due to the fact that no teammates set screen for him to get open, and point guard kept looking him off.

Tbh, Kansas team is all about playing your role within the system, sharing the basketball in the entire shot-clock, that's pretty much what college players do, share, swing around, I bet a guy like Selden if he played on a team that requires him to score, he would attack/slash a lot more, the wing players aren't suited to system like this where they have to swing the ball around constantly, sure they have to create ball movement, but rarely there's much of screen sets running for Wiggy to get open, I say Wiggy's the type that needs set plays to get the fire going, something to make him feel he's a part of the offense, and he isn't selfish enough to do it his way to conflict the system either, especially when the team has so many scorers that he felt he doesn't need to do it on his own, when he's in the NBA, you place him as 1st option, then you will see the alpha dog mentality, I've seen it b4 and he was brilliant at it.
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Re: OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread 

Post#809 » by MA29 » Tue Dec 3, 2013 7:44 pm

Does anyone have links for highlights from his last 3 games?
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Re: OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread 

Post#810 » by fredericklove » Tue Dec 3, 2013 8:16 pm

MA29 wrote:Does anyone have links for highlights from his last 3 games?


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b83e0P9GSIo[/youtube]

Final two games recap aren't up yet.
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Re: OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread 

Post#811 » by JonasVFTW » Tue Dec 3, 2013 9:27 pm

I got very lucky and was able to see 2 Kansas games in Atlantis this past weekend. First game against Wake Forest Wiggins did not play a lot. He was efficient when he did, but certainly was not assertive. He did have the flu. He does not look to create his own shot and seems to want to swing it whenever he gets it.

In the second game he was awful. Couldn't make a shot and again did not assert himself. He is not even the best player on his team and certainly not top 5 in the tournament we saw.

He is a freshmen, and he does seem a little overwhelmed. But I think he is dogging it so he slips to us!! Or that is my hope! Lets be honest, if we get the top pick, even if he slips everywhere, we will take him. We have no choice.
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Post#812 » by Ragnar0k » Wed Dec 4, 2013 7:28 am

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Most likely he won't, his 2 way potential is what keeps him up at the top, yea he shows shaky offense tonight but his defense remains solid, unless you're talking about a 3 to 4 consecutive game stretch of poor offensive showing then maybe?


Guess it depends on how often they update the mock draft boards, but like the other guy pointed out, parker was nothing special today either and Duke also lost.


They update them every 2-4 days at this time of year, but that's doesn't change anything. Once a prospect has been pegged as #1 for many years it'll take more than 1, 2, or even 5 mediocre games like tonight before they move him.


NBADraft.net dropped him to 3rd.

Parker and Embiid are 1,2.

http://www.nbadraft.net/

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Andrew Wiggins 6-8 200 SF Kansas Fr.

Wiggins slipped from 1st to the 3rd overall pick in this week's 2014 mock update. He has struggled in each of his past two games, which can partially be attributed to playing with the flu.

While he remains the most impressive physical specimen at the wing position since LeBron James, scouts are beginning to believe that his teammate Joel Embiid is the prospect with the greatest potential in this year's draft, and Jabari Parker the surest bet to be a franchise changer from day one.

"Maple Jordan", as Wiggins has been dubbed, is a special athlete and can get out in transition and run with the best of them. He's a good but not great defender and right now his isolation game needs a lot of work. He also has not shown great understanding or willingness to free himself for open looks by continually moving without the ball. He relies too much on others to get him involved in the half court and doesn't have a lot of moves in his repertoire in a halfcourt setting.

He's still extremely young and raw and he does show some real signs of developing an offensive game with flashes of being able to split defenders and penetrate to the basket. One of the knocks on his game coming out of high school was that he tended to get complacent on the court and lacked the drive to compete at a high level of every play and on a consistent basis. Attention to detail and focus are the parts of his game that he most needs to improve upon in order to convince scouts that he should be the top pick.

It's early, and Wiggins' best basketball is surely in front of him. He battled the flu last week and is still regarded as a strong candidate for the top pick, but he'll need to improve upon his focus and leadership in order to retain the top pick on the 2014 mock in such a talent laden draft.
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Re: OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread 

Post#813 » by SkywalkerAC » Wed Dec 4, 2013 7:48 am

Chaos Engine wrote:
Kabatnaz wrote:
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Duncan is bigger and slower and can still play the 4.


Tim Duncan is the greatest power forward of all time.

JV isn't Tim Duncan.


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Tim Duncan has played center more than he's played PF.

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Re: OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread 

Post#814 » by Ragnar0k » Wed Dec 4, 2013 8:41 am

Anyone curious to see Carter & Jamison as freshmen, here ya go. (for those who don't know, they both stayed 3 years)

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Post#815 » by gerrit4 » Wed Dec 4, 2013 2:24 pm

I haven't watched enough Kansas games this year to give a full opinion, but I must say Wiggins really reminds me of watching Drummond 2 years ago. Drummond was a #1 level prospect (originally hyped to go #1 in 2013 before he re-classified) and looked pretty mediocre at UCONN. I don't think it was the system either, he just looked shaky and not engaged most of the time, but you could see in flashes that he had elite NBA athleticism. That being said, he looked like an overrated prospect in college (though I would have still taken him at 8).

Wiggins looks like that too. He's not really a complete player, and I don't think he really helps his team win that much. But he's so explosive, with an incredible first step. I think at the start of the season, people would have been disappointed if he were to have a TMAC/Vince type of career, but I think that is now seeming realistic, or even optimistic. Those guys never really did a whole lot in the playoffs, because they were never on great teams. So even if we get Wiggins, and keep Val, we're still going to need other pieces to make our team great.
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Post#816 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Sat Dec 7, 2013 4:57 pm

Kansas @ Colorado tonight. 10 pm TSN2.
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Re: OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread 

Post#817 » by LoveMyRaps » Sat Dec 7, 2013 5:01 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:Kansas @ Colorado tonight. 10 pm TSN2.


The game will actually happen at 3:15pm.
TSN2 will be replaying it at 10 pm
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Post#818 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Sat Dec 7, 2013 5:31 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:Kansas @ Colorado tonight. 10 pm TSN2.


The game will actually happen at 3:15pm.
TSN2 will be replaying it at 10 pm

Right. Thanks- good clarifyin'.
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Re: OT: Wiggins Discussion Thread (vs. COL, replay TSN2 @ 10 

Post#819 » by Undefeated » Sat Dec 7, 2013 8:21 pm

Wiggins with the jumper from downtown
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Re: OT: Wiggins Discussion Thread (vs. COL, replay TSN2 @ 10 

Post#820 » by Matty » Sat Dec 7, 2013 8:21 pm

Wiggins with the 3 pointer, big game for him today

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