Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[jsbasketball10]

How about trading seraphin and like singleton maynor or someone like that away and try to get perry jones and maybe even nick collision if okc would consider that

[verbal8]

First of all, the bench has gotta be shaken up. maynor singleton and seraphin especially, temple too. they suck. What's wrong with trying to bring in a guy like grevis Vasquez as the point guard. Former terp fan favorite and he would be the perfect fit.

I wouldn't mind adding Vasquez, but not sure I would give up a pick to do it.

Another good fit I see would be Arron afflalo. We desperately need some bench scoring, and even giving up Webster or ariza might make this worth it to me. I think that guy could be the best 6th man in the league and a good fit for this team

Afflalo isn't a bad player, but I think the trade fit is their. I would probably do a swap for Webster, but I wouldn't want 13 million/year committed to back-up wings which would be the result of swapping Ariza for Afflalo. If Afflalo would make Milwaukee give up Ersan, then I could see a 3 way trade working out.

[verbal8]

How about trading seraphin and like singleton maynor or someone like that away and try to get perry jones and maybe even nick collision if okc would consider that

Did OKC hire EG away from the Wizards when I wasn't looking?

[mohammed10]

How about trading seraphin and like singleton maynor or someone like that away and try to get perry jones and maybe even nick collision if okc would consider that

Did OKC hire EG away from the Wizards when I wasn't looking?

[Brazil88]

The problem is: bench sucks and the Wizards need to trade for better/productive players but the only guys I can see being available and that would bring back some value if traded are Ariza (playing very well lately and expiring contract) and Otto Porter (high pick in last years draft, still couldn't play a game in the RS and so still have value as a 'prospect').

I was all in for trading Ariza expiring, but the Wizards have only SIX (Wall, Beal, Webster, Ariza, Nene, Gortat) players you can count on as nba guys, and are in a position to make the playoffs with the horrible east.

Last year's draft was horrible, but i didn't mind the Porter pick. The thing is, his ceiling, TO ME, looks to be what Ariza is right now (and that's a very good role player, but only in 4 or 5 years). Again, that's my opinion.

So tranding Trevor right now, counting on Porter to replace his production is a bad move, imo. I know Trevor is an expiring, but i really think his next contract will be around 7mil/year. That's not that bad for his production, and i think the Wizards could get him back.

With Porter able to play, there won't be enough minutes for him with Beal, Webster and Ariza as the wings. Especially because Washington is trying to make the playoffs. It will be a similar situation to Bennett in Cleveland, where he can't get minutes because he's not better, YET, than the rest of the big men on the team AND they are/were trying to make the playoffs. That could kill Porter's value, his confidence and his development.

With that said, I think Washington should trade Porter while his value don't go down with the lack of playing time/rookie growing pains he will face throught the season.

UTAH just moved Enes Kanter to the bench and I think he would be very good value back if we traded Porter. He would give the bench the scoring they desperately need, he's also a very good rebounder and with him, Nene and Gortat wouldn't need to play so many minutes, as the team would not struggle to score inside like they do now with Vesely/Booker/Seraphin as the bench bigmen.

Kanter isn't the best defender and is definitely not a rim protector, but you could pair him with Vesely so they cover each others weaknesses. Not my dream scenario as i don't like Ves so much, but let's be honest, he isn't going nowhere. Zero value in the league.

Another point: Enes is just 1 year older than Porter, so the future of the organization would not be screwed in that regard.

His contract does expire way erlier than Porter, but that could be balanced by a 2nd pick coming to Washington in the trade or even the rights to Ante Tomic (one of the best centers in Europe right now) and/or PG Raul Neto (2nd round pick 2013 draft that arguably played better than Trey Burke in the summer league for them).

Main Rotation would look like this:

PG: Wall
SG: Beal/Webster
SF: Ariza/Webster
PF: Nene/Kanter
C: Gortat/Kanter

Still need to find a backup PG. And the second big off the bench could be Vesely/Booker (whoever sucks less at the time)

About the strech 4 everyone is crazy about. It would be nice to have one (i don't count on old Al), but I don't like giving up Ariza for Ilyasova. Maybe if it included Ridnour or Wolters and the Bucks took Maynors awful contract i would be ok with it.
Another option could be Matt Bonner(can't believe i just said that). He's completely out of the Spurs rotation, just getting minutes as a situational 3pt shooter, and is an expiring. So, maybe a trade of Seraphin and Singleton for Bonner + pick(s) could do it.

[Brazil88]

Just to complete my last post.
Why UTAH would do the Kanter for Porter trade ?
First they just moved Kanter to the bench because the Kanter/Favors pair wasn't working. Also, they get a young SF. Right now, they are playing Hayward as a SG and Richard Jefferson as the SF. Also, they couldn't reach an agreement with Hayward in a contract extension, so with Porter in town, they kinda have a replacement if they lose GH.

As for the Spurs, as i said, Booner is out of the rotation and expires after the season. Also, they REALLY need help at the SF position. Kawhi is their only SF, and they struggle against small ball 4's. They could give it a try with Singleton, if it doesn't work, they traded nothing for nothing. Another possibility could be getting Nando DeColo or Cory Joseph from them to backup Wall. Both are also out of the rotation and both are better than Maynor (not saying much, i know).

[TGW]

There's no way Utah would do that. Until Porter shows that he's fully recovered and productive, he has little trade value right now.

[dckingsfan]

How about Gustavo Ayon? He isn't playing many minutes for Atlanta.

[mhd]

What about this deal:

Wiz trade Porter+Seraphin+Maynor for Frye+Plumlee+our pick back?


Plumlee is dirt cheap for the next 3 years and looks semi decent as an athletic big. Frye is a perfect fit as a stretch big. He's been very productive this year. We get our pick back and can take Best big available, while resigning Ariza & Gortat in the off-season. We can sign a D-leaguer who'll be an immense upgrade over Maynor. Next year, we roll with a rotation of:

PG: Wall/
SG: Beal/Webster
SF: Ariza/Webster
PF: Nene/Frye
C: Gortat/Plumlee

[queridiculo]

Sounds like a great deal... for the Wizards. Not sure why the Suns would move Plumlee, kid looks like an absolute steal.

[hands11]

First of all, the bench has gotta be shaken up. maynor singleton and seraphin especially, temple too. they suck. What's wrong with trying to bring in a guy like grevis Vasquez as the point guard. Former terp fan favorite and he would be the perfect fit. Another good fit I see would be Arron afflalo. We desperately need some bench scoring, and even giving up Webster or ariza might make this worth it to me. I think that guy could be the best 6th man in the league and a good fit for this team

You do realize Arron afflalo is currently one of the best SGs in the league. So yeah, that would make a good 6th man. But Orlando isn't giving him up. Not for an expiring TA. And why would you trade Webster for him when you could just use Beal as that player.

Which you will see shortly when he gets healthy. With his leg issue, they will need to limit his minutes for a little while. I could easily see him taking the roll of SG off the bench. Specially if they keep winning as is.

[dckingsfan]

Basically all the trade ideas - at this given point and time with the club at .500 = is to pilfer an NBA ready player to add to our current 6 NBA ready players. In general, there is no reason for this to happen but EG should continue to try - with the caveat that he doesn't want to kill our cap space for next year.

Not an easy position...

[fishercob]

Basically all the trade ideas - at this given point and time with the club at .500 = is to pilfer an NBA ready player to add to our current 6 NBA ready players. In general, there is no reason for this to happen but EG should continue to try - with the caveat that he doesn't want to kill our cap space for next year.

Not an easy position...

I think there's an inherent flaw in this line of thinking. I believe we are extremely likely to re-sign Gortat -- I do not think the front office would have traded a pick for him if they didn't want to keep him or believe that they could.

So once Gortat gets re-signed, there's likely not that much cap room -- probably hardly more than the MLE.

That's why I think if we can get a rotation quality player who is signed through just next year (Frye, Bass, Big Baby) for expiring flotsam (Seraphin, Singleton, etc), we'll be best positioned. We'll still be able to add more via the MLE as well.

[go'stags]

I think you are right, Fish, but those all fit under the very depressing assumption (and not a bad one) that EG is running the team after this year.

[nate33]

Going back to our recent talk about Ariza for Ilyasova, the more I think about it, the more it doesn't make sense for Milwaukee. Ariza wouldn't stay there so they'd essentially be giving Ilyasova away for cap room.

But what about Ilyasova for Porter?

We talked about Ilyasova for our draft pick during the draft (and most felt Milwaukee needed to send back their mid round pick), but now that we know we have a great pair of SF's on the roster, what about revisiting this idea?

The actual trade would be Porter + Seraphin + Maynor for Ilyasova. It gives Milwaukee a young player to build with while improving their tank. It gives us the stretch four that we need without hurting our existing chemistry whatsoever. And we even dump Maynor, which helps keep us out of the luxtax this year and next year.

Basically, it's an "all in" move. We rely on resigning Gortat and Ariza and we enjoy good basketball for the next several years. We'd have a perfectly balanced lineup with everyone except Beal and Nene in their prime. That team should win 50 games a year for a while, even if they're not really a serious threat to knock out Indy or Miami. It's a better core than the Arenas/Jamison group.

[LyricalRico]

That's why I think if we can get a rotation quality player who is signed through just next year (Frye, Bass, Big Baby) for expiring flotsam (Seraphin, Singleton, etc), we'll be best positioned. We'll still be able to add more via the MLE as well.

Exactly, getting a guy who's got another year (or even two) on his deal doesn't really hurt us at this point. That's why I think there are still opportunities to improve the bench this season, maybe even while keeping Ariza.

[fishercob]

Going back to our recent talk about Ariza for Ilyasova, the more I think about it, the more it doesn't make sense for Milwaukee. Ariza wouldn't stay there so they'd essentially be giving Ilyasova away for cap room.

But what about Ilyasova for Porter?

We talked about Ilyasova for our draft pick during the draft (and most felt Milwaukee needed to send back their mid round pick), but now that we know we have a great pair of SF's on the roster, what about revisiting this idea?

The actual trade would be Porter + Seraphin + Maynor for Ilyasova. It gives Milwaukee a young player to build with while improving their tank. It gives us the stretch four that we need without hurting our existing chemistry whatsoever. And we even dump Maynor, which helps keep us out of the luxtax this year and next year.

Basically, it's an "all in" move. We rely on resigning Gortat and Ariza and we enjoy good basketball for the next several years. We'd have a perfectly balanced lineup with everyone except Beal and Nene in their prime. That team should win 50 games a year for a while, even if they're not really a serious threat to knock out Indy or Miami. It's a better core than the Arenas/Jamison group.

Absolutely not. Our two most important players are 23 and 20. Ariza is 28. Porter is 20. Porter graded out as a top 5 pick in YODA. He was Big East POY. STylistically he's an excellent fit with Wall and Beal. He'll be able to grow with them.

There's not enough upside on that type of all-in move. Ilyasova, whom I like, isn't good enough, nor is Ariza to punt on Porter before he's played a game.

Come on, man.

[pancakes3]

But what about Ilyasova for Porter?

We talked about Ilyasova for our draft pick during the draft (and most felt Milwaukee needed to send back their mid round pick), but now that we know we have a great pair of SF's on the roster, what about revisiting this idea?

The actual trade would be Porter + Seraphin + Maynor for Ilyasova.

I don't know if it's attractive enough a package for the Bucks. Also, ideally we'd lift one of Wolters or Ridnour. I'd be inclined to add 2015 + cash into the trade bundle just to make it worth their while.

Wall/Wolters
Beal/Webster
Ariza/Webster
Ilyasova/Nene
Gortat/2014 pick (McGary/Embiid)

is a tight 8 man rotation.

[Rafael122]

That's why I think if we can get a rotation quality player who is signed through just next year (Frye, Bass, Big Baby) for expiring flotsam (Seraphin, Singleton, etc), we'll be best positioned. We'll still be able to add more via the MLE as well.

Exactly, getting a guy who's got another year (or even two) on his deal doesn't really hurt us at this point. That's why I think there are still opportunities to improve the bench this season, maybe even while keeping Ariza.

Someone on the general board suggested we go after Bass, I responded that I thought it would be a good idea to get him if it meant we had no shot at getting Monroe. Thinking about it now, it makes a ton of sense. I'm souring on Monroe, I think he's going to be overpaid. Trade Booker + Seraphin + Singleton for Bass + 2015 2nd round pick (they have no 2nd rounder this year)

Only problem is that's close to 50 million in committed salary w/out including Gortat. You re-sign him, and you're basically a few million short of the luxury tax and have to fill in 3-4 roster spots.

[payitforward]

But what about Ilyasova for Porter?

We talked about Ilyasova for our draft pick during the draft (and most felt Milwaukee needed to send back their mid round pick), but now that we know we have a great pair of SF's on the roster, what about revisiting this idea?

The actual trade would be Porter + Seraphin + Maynor for Ilyasova.

I don't know if it's attractive enough a package for the Bucks. Also, ideally we'd lift one of Wolters or Ridnour. I'd be inclined to add 2015 + cash into the trade bundle just to make it worth their while.

Wall/Wolters
Beal/Webster
Ariza/Webster
Ilyasova/Nene
Gortat/2014 pick (McGary/Embiid)

is a tight 8 man rotation.

How about we give them back Rice, and they give us back Wolters and their rights to Kazemi (the guy they took w/ the pick we threw in to get Rice)? Do you think they'd do that?

And if not, what does that tell you about our GM's ability to pick players and make trades?