Kevin Love Free Agency/Trade Thread

[MinotauroBigNog]

Answer to q = nothing. He did however break his hand, taking away a year of his contract that he doesn't like and will opt out of at first chance. He's at best a #2 on a contending team. The Westbrook of the Wolves with no Durrant to Batman his efforts. He get his batgirl effort of of K-mart, but Mart's girly shot and terrible defense only hurt in the long term given the lack of defense overall on the team. As one who believes in team defense over individual defense I must say, Martin + Love = lack of effort = no chance to be a good defensive team (consistently) especially when some tall white guy is arguing with the refs about some non-call instead of running back to not play defense.

Thank you, I appreciate you answering my question rather than continuing to retort with hurling insults.
I disagree that Love is at best a #2 on a contending team. I think he is at best a #3. He gets his points off of screens with his feet set and can usually be a reliable 3 point threat. What his role really is is hitting 3s and getting rebounds and doing the dirty work. You saw this when he was with the World Champion and the Olympic teams minus the 3 pointers. He's not suited to be a franchise player and your #2 is not someone that can't create his own offense or defend. So, that being said, the Wolves would be be better served to somehow bring in a number 1 and 2 option and let Love play his natural role as the spot up 3 and rebounder. That, however, is much easier said than done so, I guess they're stuck with what they have for now. I just think that if you trade him you can get something back in return that would help them get to the next level.


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So averaging top 6 in ppg and you can only be a third option? Not to mention first in rebounding. Troll troll troll your boat.

[TheDeuce]

Answer to q = nothing. He did however break his hand, taking away a year of his contract that he doesn't like and will opt out of at first chance. He's at best a #2 on a contending team. The Westbrook of the Wolves with no Durrant to Batman his efforts. He get his batgirl effort of of K-mart, but Mart's girly shot and terrible defense only hurt in the long term given the lack of defense overall on the team. As one who believes in team defense over individual defense I must say, Martin + Love = lack of effort = no chance to be a good defensive team (consistently) especially when some tall white guy is arguing with the refs about some non-call instead of running back to not play defense.

Thank you, I appreciate you answering my question rather than continuing to retort with hurling insults.
I disagree that Love is at best a #2 on a contending team. I think he is at best a #3. He gets his points off of screens with his feet set and can usually be a reliable 3 point threat. What his role really is is hitting 3s and getting rebounds and doing the dirty work. You saw this when he was with the World Champion and the Olympic teams minus the 3 pointers. He's not suited to be a franchise player and your #2 is not someone that can't create his own offense or defend. So, that being said, the Wolves would be be better served to somehow bring in a number 1 and 2 option and let Love play his natural role as the spot up 3 and rebounder. That, however, is much easier said than done so, I guess they're stuck with what they have for now. I just think that if you trade him you can get something back in return that would help them get to the next level.


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So averaging top 6 in ppg and you can only be a third option? Not to mention first in rebounding. Troll troll troll your boat.

I see you've reverted back to your original tactics. You can average all the numbers you want but, they mean absolute nothing if they don't carry your team to the next level. He's been putting up big numbers and what has it done for the team? I'll continue to say he's at best a #3 on a contender until he shows me otherwise. Remember the question I asked? You agreed that he's done nothing to take the Wolves to the next level. When he's able to show that he can do more than gobble rebounds and shoot flat footed 3s, maybe I'll change my mind. But, right now, nothing about his game says he can take over during, Winning time", and carry his team to a winning season. Prove me wrong, please.


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[Krapinsky]

I would give strong consideration to the GSW trade that's been thrown about --

I think it was basically Harrison Barnes OR Klay Thompson AND David Lee

[Maefteda]

So averaging top 6 in ppg and you can only be a third option? Not to mention first in rebounding. Troll troll troll your boat.

Chris Bosh says hi. He has a pretty similar career path so far to KLove and I hope we don't make the same mistake and lose him for nothing.

I get Shrinks point about trading for more value by trading before the trade deadline, so the receiver of Love get him for 2 playoffs, but at the same time, we simply can't do that. There is no way Flip and Adelman decide to give up this season and trade Love. If we don't make the playoffs however, we have a another case.

If we don't make the playoffs now, we won't go any further. We have no pieces to add, and if we're really unlucky, we end up at 14 and end up without our top 13 protected pick. At the same time, Bulls will struggle without Rose although we don't know to what extent. Most likely we are looking at a top 16 pick from Bulls, on top of the Bobcats pick that probably will be unprotected in 2016 and with Mirotic, Boozer's expiring contract and possibly Jimmy Butler for Love and Bud. That's a good trade that makes sense for both teams. Bulls need to "rebuild/tool" quickly, and Love would be paired with a good friend and number 1 option in Derrick Rose.

[MinotauroBigNog]

Thank you, I appreciate you answering my question rather than continuing to retort with hurling insults.
I disagree that Love is at best a #2 on a contending team. I think he is at best a #3. He gets his points off of screens with his feet set and can usually be a reliable 3 point threat. What his role really is is hitting 3s and getting rebounds and doing the dirty work. You saw this when he was with the World Champion and the Olympic teams minus the 3 pointers. He's not suited to be a franchise player and your #2 is not someone that can't create his own offense or defend. So, that being said, the Wolves would be be better served to somehow bring in a number 1 and 2 option and let Love play his natural role as the spot up 3 and rebounder. That, however, is much easier said than done so, I guess they're stuck with what they have for now. I just think that if you trade him you can get something back in return that would help them get to the next level.


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So averaging top 6 in ppg and you can only be a third option? Not to mention first in rebounding. Troll troll troll your boat.

I see you've reverted back to your original tactics. You can average all the numbers you want but, they mean absolute nothing if they don't carry your team to the next level. He's been putting up big numbers and what has it done for the team? I'll continue to say he's at best a #3 on a contender until he shows me otherwise. Remember the question I asked? You agreed that he's done nothing to take the Wolves to the next level. When he's able to show that he can do more than gobble rebounds and shoot flat footed 3s, maybe I'll change my mind. But, right now, nothing about his game says he can take over during, Winning time", and carry his team to a winning season. Prove me wrong, please.


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Original tactics? You must be confusing me with someone else. I never once talked about his stats or averages until that post.

I agree he's not a first option, a perfect second option though.

Though I will say you refuse to acknowledge that he was on terrible teams until last year. Which is why he never led the team to a high win season (also the earlier years he was improving, he wasn't at this current skill level from the start. Last year being the first good team he was on, he got injured, so you can't use that one either.

This is his proving season, the wolves will obviously win at least 40 games (barring injury). So don't act like he's just going to take us to 17 wins. If he doesn't take us to the playoffs then I will agree something is wrong.

[The J Rocka]

Choosing between Thompson & Barnes is like choosing your favorite child. I wish we could include Martin + depth for both + Lee. Very unlikely but a man can dream.

With Martin here, I think Barnes makes more sense. Given a starting spot to go along with a PG like Rubio, he'll breakout into an all-star.

[Narf]

Answer to q = nothing. He did however break his hand, taking away a year of his contract that he doesn't like and will opt out of at first chance. He's at best a #2 on a contending team. The Westbrook of the Wolves with no Durrant to Batman his efforts. He get his batgirl effort of of K-mart, but Mart's girly shot and terrible defense only hurt in the long term given the lack of defense overall on the team. As one who believes in team defense over individual defense I must say, Martin + Love = lack of effort = no chance to be a good defensive team (consistently) especially when some tall white guy is arguing with the refs about some non-call instead of running back to not play defense.

Thank you, I appreciate you answering my question rather than continuing to retort with hurling insults.
I disagree that Love is at best a #2 on a contending team. I think he is at best a #3. He gets his points off of screens with his feet set and can usually be a reliable 3 point threat. What his role really is is hitting 3s and getting rebounds and doing the dirty work. You saw this when he was with the World Champion and the Olympic teams minus the 3 pointers. He's not suited to be a franchise player and your #2 is not someone that can't create his own offense or defend. So, that being said, the Wolves would be be better served to somehow bring in a number 1 and 2 option and let Love play his natural role as the spot up 3 and rebounder. That, however, is much easier said than done so, I guess they're stuck with what they have for now. I just think that if you trade him you can get something back in return that would help them get to the next level.


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Aww, did you make a lil troll-buddy to agree with you?
That's sooooo CUTE! XD

[shrink]

I get Shrinks point about trading for more value by trading before the trade deadline, so the receiver of Love get him for 2 playoffs, but at the same time, we simply can't do that. There is no way Flip and Adelman decide to give up this season and trade Love. If we don't make the playoffs however, we have a another case.

I agree. It's too hard for Minnesota to attract superstars, and Adelman wants to reach the playoffs. Unless there is indication from Love's people behind the scenes that there is no chance whatsoever that Love wants to stay in Minnesota, we won't trade him by he deadline. Heck, we might keep him even if he does, hoping we can change his mind.


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[TheDeuce]

Answer to q = nothing. He did however break his hand, taking away a year of his contract that he doesn't like and will opt out of at first chance. He's at best a #2 on a contending team. The Westbrook of the Wolves with no Durrant to Batman his efforts. He get his batgirl effort of of K-mart, but Mart's girly shot and terrible defense only hurt in the long term given the lack of defense overall on the team. As one who believes in team defense over individual defense I must say, Martin + Love = lack of effort = no chance to be a good defensive team (consistently) especially when some tall white guy is arguing with the refs about some non-call instead of running back to not play defense.

Thank you, I appreciate you answering my question rather than continuing to retort with hurling insults.
I disagree that Love is at best a #2 on a contending team. I think he is at best a #3. He gets his points off of screens with his feet set and can usually be a reliable 3 point threat. What his role really is is hitting 3s and getting rebounds and doing the dirty work. You saw this when he was with the World Champion and the Olympic teams minus the 3 pointers. He's not suited to be a franchise player and your #2 is not someone that can't create his own offense or defend. So, that being said, the Wolves would be be better served to somehow bring in a number 1 and 2 option and let Love play his natural role as the spot up 3 and rebounder. That, however, is much easier said than done so, I guess they're stuck with what they have for now. I just think that if you trade him you can get something back in return that would help them get to the next level.


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Aww, did you make a lil troll-buddy to agree with you?
That's sooooo CUTE! XD

So, because I'm not slurping Love like you and a few others makes me a troll? If you're going to respond please do so with an intelligent argument as to why you disagree with my points.


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[shrink]

As for Love's trade value, it would be higher than most team's #1.

Love is perhaps the best complimentary player in the NBA in the last 20 years. Imagine what he can be next added to another team's traditional #1 ... say a prime Kobe. If Kobe had to choose between adding Love or Melo, he'd pick Love every time. Melo scores by taking Kobe's shots - Love scores without doing that. In fact, Love's rebounding leads to more possessions that would allow Kobe to do even better! Moreover, traditional #1's have an ego - Love provides just as much help statistically, and still leaves Kobe as king of the team.

People tend to downplay Love because he's not the type of superstar they are familiar with, when it's precisely that fact that adds even more trade value to him.


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[Narf]

Aww, did you make a lil troll-buddy to agree with you?
That's sooooo CUTE! XD

So, because I'm not slurping Love like you and a few others makes me a troll? If you're going to respond please do so with an intelligent argument as to why you disagree with my points.


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OMG IT'S SO CUTE!

So this is your 8th post ever? You're not a troll, you're an actual newb who just happened to come on board and make the ridiculous arguments that Love is a #3 option AT BEST and agree with another terrible poster who didn't create you to make himself look more reasonable while he trolled. No, didn't do that at all.

It's like you're too lazy to even care about trolling well. Do a better job and maybe I'll play along.

[Klomp]

Guys, CUT IT OUT! The words "troll" and "trolling" get thrown around way too much around here. TheDeuce wasn't and isn't trolling. Move on. Take your focus off of him and back on the argument.

-Klomp

[Jukeness]

There's not a single team, not even the Heat that Love would be a third option on, so I completely disagree with that statement.

[Wolves_Nation]

There's not a single team, not even the Heat that Love would be a third option on, so I completely disagree with that statement.

This.

[MinneOOPalis]

oops!

[MinneOOPalis]

Love is like the perfect complimentary superstar.

[Klomp]

Moreover, traditional #1's have an ego.

And you don't think Love has one? Do you think Love is willing to go somewhere to play second fiddle? Here, the team is being built around Kevin. He won't get that anywhere else if he tries to team up with other guys.

[Dewey]

LA with Kobe and Melo is ... that's where is he is headed. Not a big secret IMO

[Klomp]

LA with Kobe and Melo is ... that's where is he is headed. Not a big secret IMO

Wait so you think Love would be the #1 option playing with Kobe and Melo?

[Dewey]

LA with Kobe and Melo is ... that's where is he is headed. Not a big secret IMO

Wait so you think Love would be the #1 option playing with Kobe and Melo?

no - just sayin