Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

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Clippers/Knicks

DJ/Crawful/2014 first round pick for Tyson Chandler

Puts Clippers under the tax, Chandler can make his free throws and obvious Chris Paul angle.

Crawful can actually ball unlike JR, DJ is younger but suckier, we get a pick.

[SuperflyKnick]

Clippers/Knicks

DJ/Crawful/2014 first round pick for Tyson Chandler

Puts Clippers under the tax, Chandler can make his free throws and obvious Chris Paul angle.

Crawful can actually ball unlike JR, DJ is younger but suckier, we get a pick.

Crawford and Jr on the same team.... Oh My

[machu46]

Clippers/Knicks

DJ/Crawful/2014 first round pick for Tyson Chandler

Puts Clippers under the tax, Chandler can make his free throws and obvious Chris Paul angle.

Crawful can actually ball unlike JR, DJ is younger but suckier, we get a pick.

Clippers would never trade DJ and a 1st for Chandler IMO. I think they'd hesitate to do DJ for Chandler straight up.

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Clippers/Knicks

DJ/Crawful/2014 first round pick for Tyson Chandler

Puts Clippers under the tax, Chandler can make his free throws and obvious Chris Paul angle.

Crawful can actually ball unlike JR, DJ is younger but suckier, we get a pick.

Clippers would never trade DJ and a 1st for Chandler IMO. I think they'd hesitate to do DJ for Chandler straight up.

I can't say what they would do or not, but if they hesitate a straight up DJ for Chandler, that would be stupid of them. As of now, they are looking at Odom to replace DJ during crunch time. Dude is a liability with his free throw troubles. Chandler gives them everything DJ can plus real offensive threat. You wouldn't have to sit Chandler when it truly matters.

[machu46]

Clippers/Knicks

DJ/Crawful/2014 first round pick for Tyson Chandler

Puts Clippers under the tax, Chandler can make his free throws and obvious Chris Paul angle.

Crawful can actually ball unlike JR, DJ is younger but suckier, we get a pick.

Clippers would never trade DJ and a 1st for Chandler IMO. I think they'd hesitate to do DJ for Chandler straight up.

I can't say what they would do or not, but if they hesitate a straight up DJ for Chandler, that would be stupid of them. As of now, they are looking at Odom to replace DJ during crunch time. Dude is a liability with his free throw troubles. Chandler gives them everything DJ can plus real offensive threat. You wouldn't have to sit Chandler when it truly matters.

Chandler isn't an offensive threat. He's just an okay free throw shooter and he can dunk (which DeAndre can do as well). You can't give either of them the ball outside of 2 feet and expect them to score. But yeah, the difference in free throw shooting is huge. At the same time though, Chandler is already 31. Jordan is 25. I think they'd rather just hang on to Jordan unless they're getting a C that's a legitimate offensive threat or something.

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Chandler isn't an offensive threat. He's just an okay free throw shooter and he can dunk (which DeAndre can do as well). You can't give either of them the ball outside of 2 feet and expect them to score. But yeah, the difference in free throw shooting is huge. At the same time though, Chandler is already 31. Jordan is 25. I think they'd rather just hang on to Jordan unless they're getting a C that's a legitimate offensive threat or something.

I can only assume you have not watched a single moment of Chandler's career. Chandler is indeed a very serious offensive weapon. Both his years in New Orleans and a good part of his career in New York, the main offensive sets involve Chandler's picks. He is one of the best in the business.

Clippers can hang onto Jordan if they don't want to win a championship.

[machu46]

Chandler isn't an offensive threat. He's just an okay free throw shooter and he can dunk (which DeAndre can do as well). You can't give either of them the ball outside of 2 feet and expect them to score. But yeah, the difference in free throw shooting is huge. At the same time though, Chandler is already 31. Jordan is 25. I think they'd rather just hang on to Jordan unless they're getting a C that's a legitimate offensive threat or something.

I can only assume you have not watched a single moment of Chandler's career. Chandler is indeed a very serious offensive weapon. Both his years in New Orleans and a good part of his career in New York, the main offensive sets involve Chandler's picks. He is one of the best in the business.

Clippers can hang onto Jordan if they don't want to win a championship.

And those plays result in a dunk, right? That's what I said. Chandler cannot score unless it's a dunk. DeAndre Jordan can already do that. It's not like Chandler can spot up or score in the post. He isn't an upgrade over DeAndre on the offensive end unless you factor in free throw shooting.

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Chandler isn't an offensive threat. He's just an okay free throw shooter and he can dunk (which DeAndre can do as well). You can't give either of them the ball outside of 2 feet and expect them to score. But yeah, the difference in free throw shooting is huge. At the same time though, Chandler is already 31. Jordan is 25. I think they'd rather just hang on to Jordan unless they're getting a C that's a legitimate offensive threat or something.

I can only assume you have not watched a single moment of Chandler's career. Chandler is indeed a very serious offensive weapon. Both his years in New Orleans and a good part of his career in New York, the main offensive sets involve Chandler's picks. He is one of the best in the business.

Clippers can hang onto Jordan if they don't want to win a championship.

And those plays result in a dunk, right? That's what I said. Chandler cannot score unless it's a dunk. DeAndre Jordan can already do that. It's not like Chandler can spot up or score in the post. He isn't an upgrade over DeAndre on the offensive end unless you factor in free throw shooting.

Yeah, OK mate.

[machu46]

I can only assume you have not watched a single moment of Chandler's career. Chandler is indeed a very serious offensive weapon. Both his years in New Orleans and a good part of his career in New York, the main offensive sets involve Chandler's picks. He is one of the best in the business.

Clippers can hang onto Jordan if they don't want to win a championship.

And those plays result in a dunk, right? That's what I said. Chandler cannot score unless it's a dunk. DeAndre Jordan can already do that. It's not like Chandler can spot up or score in the post. He isn't an upgrade over DeAndre on the offensive end unless you factor in free throw shooting.

Yeah, OK mate.

I really don't understand how you can even disagree with that lol. If you've watched every game he's played in for the past couple years, you can probably count the times that he's scored in the post on one or two hands.

Beyond the eye test, if you look at his numbers, 86% of his shots come "at rim" AKA within 3 feet of the basket. He shot just under 70% on those shots. Anything outside of that, he shot around 40%.

Comparing him to DeAndre Jordan this year (which is obviously a small sample size, especially considering Chandler only played in 4 games so far, but that's all I have to work with with Synergy), they're used pretty much identically in terms of what kinds of plays they score off of, with the exception that Jordan scores on cuts twice as much as Chandler. But anyways, neither guy gets looks in the post (under 7% of their offense, like I said before), and they score pretty much equally in terms of points per possession.

I mean, we're talking about two guys that play over 30 minutes a game and struggle to hit double digits in points. I don't think anyone in NBA circles is going to say that either of them are anything more than below-average on the offensive end.

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I really don't understand how you can even disagree with that lol. If you've watched every game he's played in for the past couple years, you can probably count the times that he's scored in the post on one or two hands.

Beyond the eye test, if you look at his numbers, 86% of his shots come "at rim" AKA within 3 feet of the basket. He shot just under 70% on those shots. Anything outside of that, he shot around 40%.

Comparing him to DeAndre Jordan this year (which is obviously a small sample size, especially considering Chandler only played in 4 games so far, but that's all I have to work with with Synergy), they're used pretty much identically in terms of what kinds of plays they score off of, with the exception that Jordan scores on cuts twice as much as Chandler. But anyways, neither guy gets looks in the post (under 7% of their offense, like I said before), and they score pretty much equally in terms of points per possession.

I mean, we're talking about two guys that play over 30 minutes a game and struggle to hit double digits in points. I don't think anyone in NBA circles is going to say that either of them are anything more than below-average on the offensive end.

DJ can dunk. That is it. He can not create space. His picks are nothing like Chandler's. Chandler creates separation for guards. DJ doesn't do that at that level. You have to account for Chandler on the offensive end.

The reason DJ can't play long minutes is due to his entire non-existence in offense and his liability as a free throw shooter. Same can't be said for Chandler. You have to account for Chandler. Chandler has gotten minutes whenever he is healthy. Back to back 33 mpg last two seasons. 35 mpg with New Orleans. His New Orleans years, entire offense was built on Tyson/CP3 pick and roll and resulting shuffles in the offense.

Seriously, what are we arguing about? One is a proven all-star, an olympic, and one of the top centers in the entire league and the other is some dude who can dunk and pretty much nothing else. Thinking back, I am taking back my trade offer.

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

Who says no???

LAL recieves: felton, melo, tyson

HOU receives: gasol, shump 1st

NYK recieves: asik, lin, craig Smith

[bkknicks19]

Gotta agree with seren here. And you kind of make the point for him imo. His ability to hit free throws is largely what makes him a bigger threat. Chandler, despite what you may think, doesn't struggle nearly as much to get in double digits as jordan. Chandler has had games where ALL his points have come from FT's and scored 10+ and he's had games where he was one our top scorer's and we've won. No team ignores chandler the way you ignore jordan. Chandler aint Marc Gasol but he aint Jordan either. You can have him on the floor in crunch time and you can't just foul him like you can DJ. There's a reason he's an NBA champion, DPOY, Gold medalist, etc.

[moocow007]

Who says no???

LAL recieves: felton, melo, tyson

HOU receives: gasol, shump 1st

NYK recieves: asik, lin, craig Smith

So you want NY to basically trade Anthony, Chandler, Shumpert, Felton and a 1st (not sure if this is LA or NY) for Asik and Lin (Greg Smith can be replaced with Jeremy Tyler so he's not really anything to write home about). And the Lakers basically get Carmelo Anthony and Tyson chandler for a 33 Pau Gasol who's putting up the worst numbers of his career?

[swisscheeseD]

Who says no???

LAL recieves: felton, melo, tyson

HOU receives: gasol, shump 1st

NYK recieves: asik, lin, craig Smith

David Stern

[Jwduff]

What do my fellow Knicks Fans think about this deal?

NYK-Chi-Cle

NY trades:
Melo
KMart

NY gets:
Taj Gibson
Waiters
Varejao
Chi 2015 1st
Cha 2014 1st

Cle Trades:
Varejao
Waiters

Cle Gets:
Deng

Chi Trades:
Gibson
Deng
Cha 2014 1st
Chi 2015 1st

Chi gets:
Melo
Kmart

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

Who says no???

LAL recieves: felton, melo, tyson

HOU receives: gasol, shump 1st

NYK recieves: asik, lin, craig Smith

So you want NY to basically trade Anthony, Chandler, Shumpert, Felton and a 1st (not sure if this is LA or NY) for Asik and Lin (Greg Smith can be replaced with Jeremy Tyler so he's not really anything to write home about). And the Lakers basically get Carmelo Anthony and Tyson chandler for a 33 Pau Gasol who's putting up the worst numbers of his career?

The 1st pick is coming from LA...Where not in a position of power and we can't let melo leave for nothing..melos only going to a team he will resign with wich limits our options..that's the most we can get for him considering teams will not give us much knowing he can become a free agent at the end of the year..and if we do trade melo we should blow it up and trade for as much young talent as possible because we barely have any picks over the next few years.

[bkknicks19]

Who says no???

LAL recieves: felton, melo, tyson

HOU receives: gasol, shump 1st

NYK recieves: asik, lin, craig Smith

So you want NY to basically trade Anthony, Chandler, Shumpert, Felton and a 1st (not sure if this is LA or NY) for Asik and Lin (Greg Smith can be replaced with Jeremy Tyler so he's not really anything to write home about). And the Lakers basically get Carmelo Anthony and Tyson chandler for a 33 Pau Gasol who's putting up the worst numbers of his career?

The 1st pick is coming from LA...Where not in a position of power and we can't let melo leave for nothing..melos only going to a team he will resign with wich limits our options..that's the most we can get for him considering teams will not give us much knowing he can become a free agent at the end of the year..and if we do trade melo we should blow it up and trade for as much young talent as possible because we barely have any picks over the next few years.

well melo's not leaving so that solves that problem...

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

What do my fellow Knicks Fans think about this deal?

NYK-Chi-Cle

NY trades:
Melo
KMart

NY gets:
Taj Gibson
Waiters
Varejao

Chi 2015 1st
Cha 2014 1st

Cle Trades:
Varejao
Waiters

Cle Gets:
Deng

Chi Trades:
Gibson
Deng
Cha 2014 1st
Chi 2015 1st

Chi gets:
Melo
Kmart

I like that deal for us...but you guys have to understand that we are not going to get a lot back for a guy that can walk at the end of the year.

[J0rdan4life42o]

The 1st pick is coming from LA...Where not in a position of power and we can't let melo leave for nothing..melos only going to a team he will resign with wich limits our options..that's the most we can get for him considering teams will not give us much knowing he can become a free agent at the end of the year..and if we do trade melo we should blow it up and trade for as much young talent as possible because we barely have any picks over the next few years.

Sounds eerily similar to the situation Melo was in when he was traded here...there was all this talk about how the Nuggets had no leverage because Melo could sign outright with the Knicks as a free agent...the Knicks still had to give up quality young pieces (Wilson, Gallo) plus the right to swap picks and a 2016 unprotected pick...

LA would have to fork over multiple 1st round picks to guarantee they get Anthony, in addition to Gasol. I would assume NY would also look to dump Felton or Smith on them as well.

NY can get a quality return for Tyson in a separate deal...Dallas and OKC are prime targets. Portland could also be interested if he's on the block. Then the Knicks could use Shumpert to entice a team to take on Amare's contract...maybe Detroit sucks up an extra year of Amare if they can add Shumpert at the expense of a deal centered around Stuckey/Villeneuva, 2 expendable parts with expiring contracts.

[GONYK]

The 1st pick is coming from LA...Where not in a position of power and we can't let melo leave for nothing..melos only going to a team he will resign with wich limits our options..that's the most we can get for him considering teams will not give us much knowing he can become a free agent at the end of the year..and if we do trade melo we should blow it up and trade for as much young talent as possible because we barely have any picks over the next few years.

Sounds eerily similar to the situation Melo was in when he was traded here...there was all this talk about how the Nuggets had no leverage because Melo could sign outright with the Knicks as a free agent...the Knicks still had to give up quality young pieces (Wilson, Gallo) plus the right to swap picks and a 2016 unprotected pick...

LA would have to fork over multiple 1st round picks to guarantee they get Anthony, in addition to Gasol. I would assume NY would also look to dump Felton or Smith on them as well.

NY can get a quality return for Tyson in a separate deal...Dallas and OKC are prime targets. Portland could also be interested if he's on the block. Then the Knicks could use Shumpert to entice a team to take on Amare's contract...maybe Detroit sucks up an extra year of Amare if they can add Shumpert at the expense of a deal centered around Stuckey/Villeneuva, 2 expendable parts with expiring contracts.

True. The Clippers have even less leverage than we do since they don't have capspace.

At the same time though, they probably want Melo way less than we did, so I think that evens things out.