Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders?

[blazza18]

I'm fine with trading anyone if it means we'll be getting back young players with some upside or some first round draft picks.

Sadly, the Bucks would move Sanders because he's currently a PR nightmare for them, their short sighted views will bring back someone that will help them get the coveted 8th seed even if it means we aren't getting back much value.

So right now I say NO!

[Buckrageous]

We all laugh at Charles Barkley"s multiple drunken fighting incidents. Larry has to go for one? I wouldn't let Hammond trade anyone either. That just seems like a terrible idea.

As far as Sanders being at the club when his pregnant wife is home - I have 2 girls and would never have gone out all night while my wife was pregnant and about to be due, but who cares what I would do? At worst that makes him a crappy husband. With the state of fatherhood today and with NBA players in general, the fact that he's living with the mother of his child and seems to be planning on raising him puts him in the plus category. If we put in a good and present father to all his children and faithfully married stipulation on future members of the Bucks we are going to be in trouble.

[raferfenix]

Agree that if the main concern is tanking then we trade Ersan before Sanders.

Even if Larry single-handedly brings our defense closer to respectability we still won't be able to score enough to close out any games.

I'm not so worried about him being a Bobby Simmons kind of situation where his stock will collapse. Rather I only trade him if we think we're getting assets more valuable to us in a rebuilding environment, which would be a steep price.

[msiris]

We all laugh at Charles Barkley"s multiple drunken fighting incidents. Larry has to go for one? I wouldn't let Hammond trade anyone either. That just seems like a terrible idea.

As far as Sanders being at the club when his pregnant wife is home - I have 2 girls and would never have gone out all night while my wife was pregnant and about to be due, but who cares what I would do? At worst that makes him a crappy husband. With the state of fatherhood today and with NBA players in general, the fact that he's living with the mother of his child and seems to be planning on raising him puts him in the plus category. If we put in a good and present father to all his children and faithfully married stipulation on future members of the Bucks we are going to be in trouble.

Barkley was a way better player than Sanders is.

[raferfenix]

Here's a 'Larry Sanders still has a lot of trade value' concept to think about:

Hawks trade: Nets' 2014 first round pick + Dennis Schroeder + contracts to make it work
Bucks trade: Larry Sanders + something else they value

Not sure of who else would need to be included salary wise for the final scenario, but you get the gist.

Why for Milwaukee
As of a few days ago the Nets' pick was slated to be top 6. But what if they get it together? Well at least we then can hope for the Hawks to fall apart, as that pick is only available since Atlanta has the right to swap its 2014 1st round pick for Brooklyn's.

The Bucks were also rumored to covet Schroeder before the draft and are desperately in need of help at PG, so I'm sure we'd value him more now if anything.

I'd still be real reticent to deal Sanders given the possibility that we end up with a late or non-lottery pick, but this kind of risk could also yield the most serious of rewards of course.

Why for Atlanta
Key to all this would be that the Hawks must LOVE Larry Sanders...or must think that the Nets are going to get it together in time to save their season.

Larry would be a pretty perfect fit next to Al Horford either way, and he has been vocally clamoring for a center for years now. If the Hawks are going for a win now with Sanders then it is possible that they are more than willing to deal Schroeder too, as they just sent him to the D-league and Teague is looking like a long-term starting PG as is.

It's also a big open question what the 'other piece the Hawks value' would be that the Bucks would include. This kind of deal would entail the Bucks committing all out to a rebuild, so even if it's a significant piece like Ersan (perhaps going to a 3rd team) that wouldn't be out of the question.

[Baddy Chuck]

Can't see them moving that pick.

[pack15412]

I hesitate to say this but, short of a Jason Williams/OJ Simpson type disaster, Larry's trade value couldn't be lower than it is right now. You'd be insane to move him before the trade deadline. Bring him back, let him play out the season and reestablish himself. If you are gung ho about trading him, the market should be better in the offseason. Maybe get a mid-1st round lottery ticket in a strong draft.

Personally, I'm not ready to move him. Many of us have made douchey moves in our youth but were lucky enough not to have them spread across the internet. Give him a chance to learn from it. We certainly need more muscle on the front line (unless ZaZa gets his blood spun in Germany with Kobe this off season) but his length, timing, raw athleticism will be difficult to replace.

Sadly, the Bucks are usually too short sighted and worried about the immediate media buzz and will probably unload him and our 1st for Joe Johnson.

[bucksbrewers3]

I say yes. We have a sanders on the team already his name is john Henson. We need some sort of post threat and one good year after almost being cut in the same year doesn't make you untouchable


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[LUKE23]

Umm, Henson is not "another Sanders". And when was he "almost cut"?

[blazza18]

Lol seriously..

[Baddy Chuck]

Henson has improved his man defense, but the dude is absolutely lost on anything to do with the team concept of defense. He isn't even close to Sanders defensively.

[pe_it72]

Only way I trade him is if we are getting the pick that selects Eiimbed, Wiggins, or Parker

[Max Green]

I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I am still not convinced that we can't play Henson & Sanders together. Especially with Yanni at the 3 who has potentially Elite playmaking skills.

[breakchains]

1) I actually view Sanders' crazy behavior (especially on the court) as a positive. I like toughness and I think he provides it in a real way.

2) Unless one of them greatly improves in their midrange game, and that one would likely be Henson, I don't really see Henson/Sanders as a viable duo. Would be awesome defensively but a big liability on offense.

3) I am sick and tired of the Bucks trading assets at their lowest value. It screams of awful business, and I believe savvy teams are likely scheming on Sanders as we speak, and look no further than this thread to understand why.

4) Either Sanders was vastly overpaid this offseason, or he's worth a lot more than you believe. One or the other. One bar fight does not - rather *should* not - affect his value one bit.

5) I would absolutely consider moving Sanders, as I don't consider him untouchable at all, but it would have to be for commensurate value. I would start at a young prospect and a 1st round pick as my asking price.

6) I would also consider moving Henson. In fact, I would be scheming right now on which of these two to move. But only if I received commensurate value for either of them. I feel no need to rush into anything. There is no need.

7) If your reason for trading Sanders in this deal is to purposely weaken the Bucks to ensure a top pick, you don't do it for Asik. You do it for picks. A forward thinking GM would move him to a team who thinks its on the cusp for a pick one year out, ie. a 2015 first, and then would have a top 5 pick this year, and have 2 firsts the following year. Look no further than to how bad the Celtics fleeced the Nets. Will be rolling in the figurative dough for years to come after trading two over-the-hill washed up vets. We are talking a young 20's defensive force. You don't trade him for pennies on the dollar. Sick and tired of that line of thinking.

8) There is nothing special about Morey. What he is doing is basic businesss. He is floating very high value for a player they don't even want. Two 1sts sets expectations. He will then accept less, which is what he actually expects. The Bucks could learn something from someone who actually knows how to negotiate.

[LedZepp007]

Larry's crazy behavior most definitely affects his value. I think Larry is a decent person that likes Milwaukee. I do. I also think he's extremely immature and has some mild to moderate psychiatric difficulties. If he'd show more willingness to change his behavior, I'd be a ton more forgiving. But, if anything, he seems to be getting more out of control.

[LedZepp007]

[quote="Baddy Chuck"]Henson has improved his man defense, but the dude is absolutely lost on anything to do with the team concept of defense. He isn't even close to Sanders defensively.[/quote

This. And it's unfortunate because all of the same potential is there.

[Octopus Jonny]

I see Larry as a much more explosive player than Henson.

And hell no! Do not trade Larry right now.

Let him come back and work himself into form. I want to see him progress and earn some of the money. Other GM's want to see if he's worth the contract as well.

If he maintains the level of defense he displayed last year, he's worth that deal even if he doesn't improve on offense.

Last year Sanders was one of the top 2 or 3 interior defenders in the league.

[yoshii8]

Do not trade Larry Sanders right now. That would not be smart.

[Nycballa2k]

hell no

[Sigra]

Yes.